HERE'S WHAT I THINK
God
God simply does not exist. There is no empirical evidence that it existed, and there is no empirical evidence to prove that any voice of god (be it prophet, avatar, minister, sheperd, etc) ever existed.
The argument that God does exist, and for Atheists to prove otherwise makes little sense, as the existence of an object or entity is valued as existing by it being present - whether visually or by touch or by sound - all of which can not be used to prove that such a being exists or ever existed.
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smilinbobs says:
I think the people turn to god (religion) to explain the unexplained and to deal with mortality. Most people can't accept the idea of thier own mortality. I you think that you have an eternal soul it makes things easier to deal with. Back when the bible was written having rule
Posted December 28, 2008
Persius says:
We all need to realize that for most, religion is culture. A significant slice of religious defenders are protecting the cultural framework they have lived with throughout their lives. Naturally. Many have not allowed themselves to be critical of the fundamentals of their belief. Many have simply never been permitted to. It is unthinkable for them to pursue an alternative world view. What is changing fast now is the penetration of the "safety" message. It IS safe to challenge that dogma. There is a rational world view that is beautiful, and full of wonder. If offers an understanding of a vastly more elegant and magnificent universe than any scripture or preacher can muster. Its safe and its real and in it lies all hope of our success as a civilization.
Posted August 07, 2008
Gray says:
What a cowardly way to live. Honestly, if there were no hell, would the Christian religion have a base at all? How many people would still believe in Christianity if, all of a sudden, there was no punishment for not being Christian? I have no respect for this way of life. I'm going to enjoy life to the fullest while I'm here, and probably do more good for the world than your average bible-thumper at the same time.
We'll see.
Posted August 07, 2008
Hypnotek says:
owned
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
And that brings me to the end of this school session. If you chose to believe then I won't try to stop you; but stop acting like your hands are clean and stop trying to shove your religion down our throats. Believe what you will; but know that the world sees through the lies.
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
which brings me to this: Who is doing good here? Sure doesn't seem like YOU are. Murder IS a sin, as are rape, lying, and countless other things that your religion is responsible for. corruption of power, cruel injustices, vicious atrocities committed by YOUR people. Looks like if anyone is going to hell here; it's YOU
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
Nearly all wars fought are fought because of religion. think about that. don't try and say otherwise; look way back at the conquests where thousands were brutally raped, murdered, sold into slavery, and tortured by none other than YOUR PEOPLE. In the bible god is responsible for more deaths than any other. Genocides have been committed and are still BEING committed because of religion. Religion only leads to death.
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
And maybe everyone wouldn't hate you all so much if you weren't such stuck up assholes who act like you are better than everyone else because you believe a fictional story. I don't try and spread atheism; I believe what I want to believe and don't bug others about it. Stop shoving your religions onto other people. Look at what you have done to other countries. Mexico was not christian before they were overtaken and forced to convert or die. You don't see Atheists murdering and forcing others to convert.
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
All you do is attempt to brainwash and convert everyone. the church is all about money now. Every sunday countless millions drive past homeless shelters, halfway houses, orphanages, salvation armies, and more to go to a church covered in ornate decorations. so much for the caring type.
Posted August 06, 2008
Hypnotek says:
Go die in a fire Pwood, hows that for evil you little complaining fuck. Go get laid or something
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
If you want to believe that the countless genocides, slaughters, wars, and deaths caused by your 'holy conquests' were worth spreading the word of god, leave me out of it. you have more blood on your hands than any atheist.
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
Then he is malovent.
Posted August 06, 2008
Hyp says:
Bob Wins
Posted August 06, 2008
BoB says:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malovent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-Epicurus
Posted August 06, 2008
Hypntek says:
PWoodford, wrong side there
Posted August 06, 2008
PWoodford says:
You nuts. You live because of God. you owe it to god. Humans are one and all, god jugdges us as one so if youre bad we're all bad, if we're good - we're all good. Only heaven and hell depends on onee.
Cast off your fake religions and accept Jesus.
Posted August 06, 2008
Hypnotek says:
Ok think about it for a bit. There is some "holy" being who somehow has the massive reserves of energy to create the entire universe. wow, that is sooooooooo plausible. In some form or another, every civilization that we have records of, have had all forms of different gods or god. From polytheistic to monotheistic, they all believed in something that came after they died. Thats all gods and religion really are, humans not wanting to believe that it will end. Im not neccesarily saying all religions are scammers or liars, except scientologists of course, just that they are natural humans giving in to natural human behavior. Theres nothing wrong with wanting to believe in something after death, just kindly leave me out of it.
Posted August 06, 2008
Persius says:
Interesting how there is a very linear correlation between education/intelligence and rejection of mythologies to explain the world. Interesting how the religious will not hesitate to take their sick loved one to a hospital for the best medical technology which is a byproduct of science and rationalism. Interesting how scripture is loaded with violence and intolerance, conveniently ignored (by most) to focus on the nice parts. Interesting that no religious leader is willing to take on the atheist intellectuals (Dawkins, Hitchens etc) in a debate. Interesting how the righteous Bush administration so utterly failed to understand how to engage with the world.
Belief in a supernatural deity is a cultural artifact of our history; very understandable origins. It's now well past the time for it to go.
Posted August 06, 2008
realityjumper says:
im agnostic leaning towards atheistic god's existence is possible but very unlikely so i would have to side with u because that's the most logical probility
Posted August 05, 2008
Doobar says:
Hey peter dunderhead, you're in the wrong section lol.
Posted August 05, 2008
No way, Monkeybrain!
pwood says:
God leaves it to you to do stop evil. Evil only prevails when good men fail to act. Doing what you must is what god puts you on earth for - if you don't do what you should, you go to hell - those that do evil go to hell. Those that do well and do good go to heaven.
Posted August 06, 2008
pwood says:
I made a mistake. How can you say god doesn't exist? Does wind exist? You can't see Good, so what? Can you see wind? You only see wind and god's effects, not the force itself.
Posted August 06, 2008
Gravois says:
Persius you fool religious has snothign to do with technology. God made technology so we can use it. Without god there is no technology
Posted August 06, 2008
Peter Lorimer says:
You all want to go to hell for some reason. Embrace god and his divinity will transpire to you. Believe or go to hell. those are your only options, The holy father will accept you but not as you are. You must make the effort before its too late.
Posted August 05, 2008
Peter says:
Oh the glory and light when I was first touched by his noodle-ly appendage! I call on all you blasphemers and apologists to embrace the one, the almighty, FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!
Or else.
Posted August 05, 2008
Waxbear says:
agnosticism, the only belief that is a 100% true, it cannot be argued.
what it basically says is, you cannot know if god exists or not.
can you prove god exists? no
can you prove that he doesn't? no
Posted June 23, 2008
Sylvia says:
god exists, everyone knows he does. why would they lie?
Posted April 30, 2008
Tracy Morgin says:
so you're saying all the religions and all the people before who believe in god are lying or fake?
Posted April 09, 2008
Scott says:
Hi Katie. Let's distinguish between micro and macro evolution b/c most of the fossil records, etc. relate to the latter which I, as far as I know, agree with. There's no reason not to believe in micro evolution b/c of the evidence we have to support it. I can, without comprimising the integrity of my logic, hold that there's a God and that he designed the world to adapt and change (evolve). What we don't have is hard evidence of macro evolution - we have glorfied theories. More specefically, we don't have any evidence around how ANYTHING came into being (i.e. the swirly mass... where did that come from?). Something cannot form from nothing.
Also, the name calling is great but doesn't necessarily lead to the most civil and intelligent conversation. Regardless, I appreciate your feedback.
Posted April 08, 2008
Scott says:
Katie, I hear you but disagree that "all the evidence" points directly to the contrary. There is really little "evidence" that supports an evolution based theory, in fact there's less today than there was when Darwin was doing some of his best work. I don't want to get into specefics, but I think that statement of yours is misleading.
Regarding it being unreasonable to assume that an intelligent being/force could assemble evolving, changing life forms, again I disagree. What about all of the brilliant work being done in the field of robotics and intelligent systems? We intelligent beings are starting to create beings that evolve and learn on their own. Now I know there are a thousand ways you could attack that argument, so I'll go back to my point in the original post which was more about the complexity of life and what that purports.
You actually help make my point - which is simply:
Simple things like clocks are created, they cannot or have not evolved through chance. To me, it is logical then to assume that the more complex the thing (i.e. humnas) the more intelligence it would take to create it. If the simplest of things (clocks) were created, why is it reasonable to belive the most complex of things (living organisms) are a cosmic anomaly?
Posted February 28, 2008
CosmeticMom says:
Hey Monkey Brain-
I can't tell if you are debating with Yourself on this issue. Do you believe God created the Heavens & the Earth or not? And what the heck is this empirical evidence stuff? That's new language to me...ps, I'm a Jesus Freak :)
Posted February 16, 2008
Scott says:
I doubt this will stand up, but for the sake of argument...
If we were to land on Mars tomorrow and we found what appeared to be a clock buried in the dust what would our (i.e. Human's on Earth) overwhelming conclusion be about intelligent life on Mars? It's safe to say all, or most, would agree that the existence of the clock proves that there is or was intelligent life on Mars. We would conclude that the chances of that clock being formed and then functioning through a process of evolution are so small that it's not reasonable to believe that anything but intelligent life could be responsible for creating that clock.
We're no different than the clock (well we are in that we're exponentially more complex than a clock), so isn't it reasonable to draw the same conclusion about nature, people, living/non-living beings here on Earth as we would about a clock on Mars? That there is no reasonable explanation other than an intelligent being could have created such complex/intelligent beings?
Posted February 13, 2008
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