What is God? What's SHE like? a debate run by spirituality

1 - I can do better 2 - Jury's out 3 - Pretty darn good 4 - Splendiferous 5 - Awesometastic (by 7 people)   Your rating: 1 - I can do better 2 - Jury's out 3 - Pretty darn good 4 - Splendiferous 5 - Awesometastic

Is God a person? Does He/She/It exist? More questions about God...

 

I'm not personally invested in believing in a personal God. For me God is something impersonal, all encompassing and in everything. But what do YOU think?

Do you believe in God? 

Any God? or none at all...

Do you believe in God (any God)

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Yes, there is something divine...

dc64 says:

Definately. I don't just believe, I know there is a God the way I know there is a breeze or a mighty wind. I don't see the wind, but I see the effects of its existance.

Joan4 says:

I believe in God. I also believe that God is Love and Love is a Verb. I don't believe God is some bearded being in the sky taking notes. I do believe we are to walk in Love, to the best of our ability.

GrowWear says:

I believe there is a Source. We all came from something with intelligence. Every thing and being is a part of that intelligence. When we pray, we are talking to our personal God. When we meditate, our personal God is talking to us. I abandoned religion years ago; my search for truth began when I stepped onto my personal-growth path (Not talking about nose jobs and porcelain veneers here -- talking about growth within). That will lead you to the divine. I didn't know it then, though. Now, I don't see how it can't lead you there.

spirituality says:

I definitely believe in something beyond our understanding that I'd call 'divine' (words don't help much in these things).

No, there is no God of any kind

kephrira says:

I'm with the Greeks - belief is an inferior form of knowledge - but I think faith is something different, more like a form of extreme optimism rather than an inflexible metaphysical position. But that doesn't mean that I believe that there isn't a God anymore than belive there is. And I also passionately beleive than through philosophy and practical experimentation such as prayer and meditation you can be spiritual without sacrificing reason or scepticism.

 
 
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What's the most important thing about God? 

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So, how do YOU see God? 

Anything you have to say about God...

Joan4

I agree, spirituality. What makes us think we can understand God as a concept? We are all just doing the best we can to understand the things that we can grasp. God is beyond our capabilites to understand. I try not to focus on things I do not understand, but focus instead on the little things I do understand - like walk in Love.

Posted August 25, 2008

ALLAH

I am God

Posted July 08, 2008

kephrira

I see god as the idealized and perfected state of the universe, the ultimate goal and fulfillment of all things. Therefore although from the trans-temporal spiritual universe god exists and has always existed (at the start of the universe as the 'final cause', just as the tree is the final cause which guides and regulates the development of a seed - see Categories of Causation for more on final cause), from the material universe god exists only as a potential, a desire and a direction of evolution which is inherent in all things and which can be embraced and expressed or ignored and defiled.
I do not beleive in the personified image of God as some kind of entity or being.
At least that's what think sometimes. Other times I think he's just a good excuse for a fight

Posted May 21, 2008

spirituality

God is beyond understanding, in everything, beyond thought, and certainly beyond sex.

Posted May 21, 2008

On the Gender of God 

Each of the arguments in this lens could equally well be made for a female or impersonal God.

Personally I tend to believe that if there is a personal God who lives up to all the qualities mentioned in this lens, She must be female or gender-neutral. After all: giving birth is a female attribute. The female needs the male to do it - so God could also be gender-neutral: be both at once.

So, is God female, male or something else? 

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Divine attributes 

So God is like this...???

Add any description of The Divine that I may have missed.

#1

Pure Love

3 points

#2

The ocean

2 points

#3

In everything, all around

2 points

#4

Energy

2 points

#5

White Light

1 point

#6

An artist

1 point

#7

All encompasing

1 point

#8

Doesn't exist

1 point

#9

Limitless Compassion

1 point

#10

Allmighty

0 points

#11

A man on a throne

0 points

#12

Nothing else

0 points

#13

Unthinkable

0 points

#14

A giant spagetti monster

0 points

#15

a person

0 points

#16

impersonal

0 points

Links about God 

Do you believe in God?
this difficult question explored...
Attributes of God in Islam
An explanation of the Perfect Names and Attributes of Allah.
The Attributes of God
God reveals Himself not only in His names, but also in His attributes, that is, in the perfections of the divine Being. It is customary to distinguish between incommunicable and communicable attributes. Of the former there are no traces in the creature; of the latter there are.

Attributes of God - the official list (sort of) 

Usually God is seen in the Christian tradition (as well as the Muslim one) as having the following attributes - which are basically ways of saying God is Perfect.

  • All knowing = omniscient

  • All powerful

  • Independent of His creatures

  • Infinity

  • Simplicity (not composed of several parts, can't be divided up)

  • All wise

  • All Good

  • Loving

  • Morally perfect

  • Righteousness: abides by the perfect laws he created

  • faithfulness: He keeps His promises

  • sovereignty: sovereign will and sovereign power


Source of all these

Does God have a body? Does He know what it feels like to touch someone? 

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Does God belong to a specific religion? 

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Books about God 

The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism

Amazon Price: $16.47 (as of 10/07/2008)

The God Delusion

Amazon Price: $10.85 (as of 10/07/2008)

Their Eyes Were Watching God

Amazon Price: $10.85 (as of 10/07/2008)

God is a person? 

If there is a source to everything, it could be a person: a creator, an artist, something like that. If God is a person, that implies choice, consciousness, awareness perhaps.

But that source could also be impersonal, beyond the limitations that personality bring. Can God be a person without having a body? Does God have a body?

Perhaps the ultimate source of all being is beyond the conceptions of 'person' or 'impersonal'?

[See John Hick on 'Philosophy of Religion']

John Hick, Philosophy of Religion 

Philosophy of Religion (4th Edition) (Foundations of Philosophy)

Amazon Price: $37.44 (as of 10/07/2008)

This book is so often referred to in my philosophy or religion class, I feel I just have to read it.

John Hick takes the multi-cultural world of today seriously. He takes the existence of very different religions seriously. He finds a way to unite those religions in a philosophy that's inspiring and original.

The eternity of God - does IT know what time it is? 

God is eternal and changeless. So say the classic philosophers of religion. But if He is, is he IN TIME, responding to our needs?

Or is She perhaps BEYOND time, timeless, perfect 'from a distance'?

Does God know what time it is?

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yes, She knows everything.

No, She is beyond time.

ALLAH says:

Time doesn't exist

spirituality says:

I like to think God is beyond time - if He exists. And then He may know what time it is FOR ME, but I think He would hardly care. What is time anyhow? Does it really matter whether it's 11.20 at the moment? Or does it matter that on Saturday morning I was doing something?

 
 
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The Goodness of God - what about evil? 

Goodness is one of the most important attributes of God. Only a perfectly Good God is worth worshiping, after all...

Well, that's not true in all religions. Powerful gods who aren't Good can also be worshiped, to increase the chances of them doing good...

Still, the God of Christianity, Islam and Judaism is assumed to be Good. Perfect. All powerful.

This leads to the classic question: what about evil? How can an all powerful God allow evil? This ties in with the freedom of choice debate: perhaps a Good God would give us freedom of choice, accepting the existence of evil as a side-effect...

How can an all powerful God allow evil?

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I don't know, it's a real problem for me.

spirituality says:

For me this issue is one of the reasons I don't believe in a God that's all powerful and the essence of Good. Evil is clearly, in our daily lives, a matter of people mistreating people. There is no evidence that there is a God interfering, and there is a lot of evidence that interference might just be a GOOD idea.

God has a good reason for allowing evil (tell me what you think)

dc64 says:

If God did not allow evil, then this would be heaven. I think God wants us to learn how to live with evil around us, but be strong enough to deny it's hold on us. I hate it, it really blows, and sometimes I think life is SO unfair! But I think God is trying to teach us something, we just have to learn what that is.

 
 
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What other questions should I ask here about God? 

Any feedback you want to give...

spirituality

It's humans that decide who's going to be the leader of the household (and I don't think it's either or: partners can be equal).

Posted September 03, 2008

dc64

If God were either male or female, I believe male, because why would God, is a female, have allowed the male to be the leader of the household, to be physically stronger, and to be created first?

Posted September 02, 2008

kephrira

Is human language capable of containing the immensity of spiritual reality? And therefore can 'God' really be anything more than just a word? If you say you don't believe in God, and I say do, what's to say were not both right. And can a book (like the bible or koran) written in a human language really contain the word of God, or is that just really bloody arrogant?

Posted May 21, 2008

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