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BRIAN KIRSCH BRIAN KIRSCH Sep 1, 2008 @ 9:31 pm

family courts have to know there system is flawed.They just rather ignore the mess they have created and keep there money flowing at the expense of devoted responsible fathers and mothers who just want to be with there children. Family courts should be responsible to help the familes in which they have created instability.Step one is to pass HB4564.

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Debbie Deneumoustier Debbie Deneumoustier Aug 18, 2008 @ 3:02 pm

I support the hb 4564 bill. Children have the right to BOTH PARENTS!! The saying *It takes a village* In that Village is a MoM & DaD. EQUAL PARENTING FOR ALL!!!

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james conkright james conkright Jul 7, 2008 @ 5:53 pm

i want to know all i can about hb4564. please email me @ crite25@yahoo.com

Im sick of crying every day

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Diane L. Diane L. May 20, 2008 @ 10:08 am

I support the house bill 4564. I think this should have passed a long time ago. My children had a dead beat for a dad, and I feel the men need these rights. so lets get this bill passed ASAP..

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Pamala Pamala May 14, 2008 @ 8:53 pm

I will try to make this quick I am a divorced mother of three I do not like my ex-husband, however my children LOVE him and he is a fit parent we have equal parenting time "pursuant to our mutual agreement" and have NEVER had an issue in 5 years when we went to the FOC the conciliator told us she wasnt sure the judge would sign our request because it didnt name one of us as the custodial parent WHAT? It did get signed but my current husband however now has temporary custody of his son because his mother gave him a black eye and the FOC is recommending she get full custody as long as she receives counseling (she already went through counseling for domestic violence) I can honestly say my own children are very well adjusted and are sweet well behaved children I know shared parenting is best. I AM NOT PROUD TO LIVE IN MICHIGAN. All the innocent children who lose out on their fathers or mothers is disgusting all for the mighty dollar.....Pass the damn bill!!!!!

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Pamala Pamala May 14, 2008 @ 8:53 pm

I will try to make this quick I am a divorced mother of three I do not like my ex-husband, however my children LOVE him and he is a fit parent we have equal parenting time "pursuant to our mutual agreement" and have NEVER had an issue in 5 years when we went to the FOC the conciliator told us she wasnt sure the judge would sign our request because it didnt name one of us as the custodial parent WHAT? It did get signed but my current husband however now has temporary custody of his son because his mother gave him a black eye and the FOC is recommending she get full custody as long as she receives counseling (she already went through counseling for domestic violence) I can honestly say my own children are very well adjusted and are sweet well behaved children I know shared parenting is best. I AM NOT PROUD TO LIVE IN MICHIGAN. All the innocent children who lose out on their fathers or mothers is disgusting all for the mighty dollar.....Pass the damn bill!!!!!

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danamado danamado May 14, 2008 @ 3:34 am

I support Bill 4564!!

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tntalk tntalk Feb 23, 2008 @ 7:07 am

State laws are great and guaranteed by the Constitution. Unfortunately, federal law has taken control and authority over child support in violation of human and civil rights. It's called the Bradley Amendment.
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thomasz thomasz Feb 14, 2008 @ 1:04 am

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Anita Anita Feb 4, 2008 @ 6:57 am

I believe our children have a right to see both parents but when one parent refuses to allow the other parent time with the children is when the courts need to step in and take over. For which then they need to actually do the job they were hired to do instead of just seeing how long the child or children have been with on parent. The real question is does the courts have the best interest of our children in mind or do they see it as how fast can I get through this?

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Todd S. Todd S. Feb 2, 2008 @ 1:49 pm

I support Michigan House Bill 4564. Each parent should have equal amount of time to share with their child. No court should be able to make that decision. The decision was just made because my wife did not want to dicuss parenting time or make a decision so the court did. How unfair when you have great fathers out there that want to spend as mush time with their children but can't.

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mike niles mike niles Dec 31, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

take away the federal funding and you take away the incentive behind the corruption ,then maybe michigan will balance a budget rather than hiring a DHS director with known ties to terrorism...

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Heather Heather Dec 16, 2007 @ 3:32 pm

I support Michigan House Bill 4564~ As a non constodial mom for nine years. This should have been in place years ago.

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Mark Benson Mark Benson Oct 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

This bill should pass. I had joint custody for 9 years.she remarried and moved where our agreed upon custody would not work. They sued me for custody and won. I had to pay them my house payment of $964.00 mo.so that had to be sold. Oh yah she quit a $36000.00 yr. insurance job. thats just wrong.

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Jennifer Jennifer Oct 16, 2007 @ 8:20 am

My boyfriends children are in an abusive situation with her boyfriend. She has been in contempt four times for not taking the children to counseling appointments and gets a slap on the rist. He would be in jail if that happened. I totally support this bill. They are dads not sperm donors.

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Steve Koch Steve Koch Oct 15, 2007 @ 8:20 pm

I have sole custody only because my ex is UNFIT and was proven. And only because we both had full psy evals done. Mine was by choice, hers by court order. otherwise i am all for joint custody. 4day

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Linda Linda Oct 15, 2007 @ 7:58 pm

My grandson has been in joint custody for 13 years. what a blessing for him. His parents were adult enough to know what was best and he is a well-adjusted, happy teenager who is loved dearly by two families and wouldn't have it any different. Every child should be able to have this type of life.

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Ben Brumitt Ben Brumitt Oct 15, 2007 @ 6:59 pm

CHILDREN'S BILL OF RIGHTS
Equal contact, consistent contact, continued care, continued guidance, continuing relationship, freedom to receive love, treated as important human beings

Sec 2 Family Pres

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MarkH MarkH Oct 14, 2007 @ 9:49 pm

Couldn't agree more. Grew up without a father myself. My mother (who is in her 70's ) finally admitted the mistake of denying visits and such. I've resented it for 40 yrs.
So, maybe Brenda Clark could clarify "best interest of the child" (I've raised 5, Maybe she could give me some pointers?)

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Leslie Angelocci Leslie Angelocci Oct 7, 2007 @ 10:22 am

In 2000, after a year of ugliness and violence my divorce was final. The Judge used his "discretioanry" privledges and gave sole leagal and physical custody of my only biological child to my husband...devestated is an understatement! I was never proved unfit, my child lost his mom and his innoncence

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Jeff Jeff Sep 28, 2007 @ 1:53 am

It is too late for me and my kids. I am one to admit that I suffer from depression at times because of one of the most evil entities in our so called Government. My kids and I were cheated out of one of life's most critical adventures. Being Father

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scott kirk scott kirk Sep 17, 2007 @ 3:49 pm

70% of all repeat violent offenders currently in our prison system not only grew up without a father in their familly, but their were probbably no adult males around at all!!
lets help curb this criminal/ chaos by helping return fathers to the familly!!

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Kevin Graven Kevin Graven Sep 4, 2007 @ 7:00 am

Lorain County Court in Ohio requires gal's and mediators to be attorneys so that these same corrupt attorneys can all get paid for representing clients AND by screwing them thru arbitration. My gal has talked to me less than two hours, but his bill is over $7,000. I work to pay these bloodsuckers.

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Brian Barron Brian Barron Aug 24, 2007 @ 4:10 pm

I was told, at my custody hearing, that I could not gain joint custody of my child unless I could prove that my child was being physically or mentally abused. If a child is being abused in any way at all, why would a parent settle for joint custody. I was lied to by the people I went to for help.

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Brian Reho Brian Reho Aug 22, 2007 @ 12:01 pm

When will the "family law industry" wake up and realize the harm they are doing to children? Probably when American citizens rise up and demand protection of their constitutional rights, and, governments are exposed in their "dirty little secret" that they make money by controlling a families pain.

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Vickie Clark Vickie Clark Aug 21, 2007 @ 7:40 am

This bill needs to pass for out kids. The courts wonder why kids run wild,join gangs,and get into so much trouble, but don't realize they are the blame when they take a parent away that needs and wants to be in childrens lives.These kids are acting out

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Kent White Kent White Aug 15, 2007 @ 8:32 pm

Stop Abusing my Children Macomb County FOC. I fear that if nothing is done that our next generation will be a disaster. I beg you Brenda clack please help bring the bill into vote for the sake of our children and there families.

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Rachael White Rachael White Aug 15, 2007 @ 8:23 pm

Somehting must be done to look out for the childrens rights. When my children want to spend more time with me as the Joint -legal custodian yet I can't make it happen. I don't feel that Sole custody is the best intrest they need both of us.

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Penny Luytgaarden Penny Luytgaarden Aug 15, 2007 @ 11:31 am

I support this bill and can attest to the importance of a child having a close relationship with both the father and mother. It is time for change...long overdue change for this to happen. Why does a father see his child 64 days a year and a woman the other 301? How is that fair to the children?

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Carrie Adams Carrie Adams Aug 8, 2007 @ 10:41 am

It takes a joint effort to maintain a successful life experience when rearing our children . They must be supported. The impressions of crooked law becomes a horrific view for any one to stare at . We look to support the vital rules of rearing our children as a joint effort, nothing less. Pass!

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Susan Matero Susan Matero Aug 6, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

Children need both parents. The sex of the parent should not be the deciding factor, regarding equal rights for parents.

Susan Matero
Ann arbor, MI 48105

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Ronald Byzewski Ronald Byzewski Jul 31, 2007 @ 12:20 pm

Brenda Clack..a DISGRACE to the State and the Children.
A Fathers day without your child. What does the Macomb FOC do..NOTHING!! If I did that on Mothers day you can bet I would be in jail..Instead they say they will look into it.
Thank you so much MACOMB FOC

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Deborah Flint Deborah Flint Jul 29, 2007 @ 1:52 am

Whether married, divorced or non-married, children need a father and mother.
It is time for our laws to support families and we can begin by giving the children equal access to both parents.
Follow the money. That why the current laws were written. Not for the best interest of the children.

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KARI JURECKI KARI JURECKI Jul 25, 2007 @ 12:52 pm

Even the people that benefit from the current system need to look at the reality of the situation. chances are some day you will have a son or grandson that will have to go against the current system if it is not changed.

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Susan Fretwell Susan Fretwell Jul 25, 2007 @ 8:19 am

Even though I live in corrupt Colorado, I support HB 4564. My husband and I are victims of CPS false allegations as well as parental alienation syndrome. My mother

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Nicegoogoo Nicegoogoo Jul 25, 2007 @ 7:24 am

The children and parents all deserve equal time.Children need both parents this is my opinion..
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Sally Borghese Sally Borghese Jul 24, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

Children require two fit parents in their lives. Without both parents, children cannot grow into strong, useful citizens of society. Therefore, our very existence as a state and nation is at stake.

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Steve McDonough Steve McDonough Jul 24, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

I hope to see all of you in DC on August 18th!

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allysa allysa Jul 23, 2007 @ 3:11 am

I support the Michigan House Bill 4564. Children deserves to be happy. They are the future!

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Larry Kerkman Larry Kerkman Jul 22, 2007 @ 11:28 am

I support Bill 4564. It was a shock for me to realize that this is not the way it is now. We must save our children from the ugly court battles, that are going on now over the fight for custody. Equal shared parenting time will help eliminate the war between parents, and our children will benefit.

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caryv caryv Jul 19, 2007 @ 7:13 pm

One Million Non Custodial Parents (and added to daily) in the state of Michigan alone! The time has come for you my Govt. friends to STOP this Social Experiment gone bad! Time to end THAT Chapter Folks! Turn the page and start a chapter we won't be ashamed for our grandchildren to read. Yes!

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Stever Stever Jul 18, 2007 @ 8:48 pm

I think it's about time our family laws ,and the system get with the real times. A very important update in the system is badly needed. MORE so for our children of tomorrow.

Also for the parent who becomes 'forced' to be a part tiem parent..

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Chris Coppens Chris Coppens Jul 18, 2007 @ 7:34 pm

Children need both "Fit" parents in thier lives to grow up normal. It takes a family to raise a child, both parents, both grand parents. My son needs me in his life to teach him to be a man. The studies don't lie, children who don't have a father in thier life end up in trouble.

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caryv caryv Jul 18, 2007 @ 7:07 pm

One Million Non Custodial Parents (and added to daily) in the state of Michigan alone! The time has come for you my Govt. friends to STOP this Social Experiment gone bad! Time to end THAT Chapter Folks! Turn the page and start a chapter we won't be ashamed for our grandchildren to read. Yes!

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Melissa R. Melissa R. Jul 16, 2007 @ 8:17 am

My fiance's ex lives one minute from our home..She said it will be a cold day in hell before she gives up child support so he can have split custody..If this bill passes that cold day will come sooner than she thought!!!

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Jason English Jason English Jul 5, 2007 @ 11:58 am

I support HB 4564! I don't want to take my child away from her mother. I just want to have an equal relationship with my baby. My daughter has done nothing wrong. Yet, the courts allow this tragedy to keep continuing on.

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Tammy Tammy Jul 5, 2007 @ 11:42 am

It takes two people to bring a child on this earth so why wouldn't it take two people to raise that child. Both parents play important roles in that childs life, just because parents can not work out thier differences does not mean the children should have to suffer.

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LindaJM LindaJM Jul 5, 2007 @ 11:28 am

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JOE JURECKI JOE JURECKI Jul 3, 2007 @ 8:36 am

The children and parents all deserve equal time. The amount of money someone makes does not make them a good or bad parent. Money will come and go but the time a child misses with a parent can never be replaced.

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darricksf darricksf Jun 28, 2007 @ 11:25 pm

I am proud to be working along side with such great people. Spreading the message of equal rights is a brave and noble task so please keep it up.

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Robb D MacKenzie Robb D MacKenzie Jun 21, 2007 @ 8:44 pm

House Bill 4564. This is a fair bill for both biological parents. Six to eight days a month my opinion is child abuse. This bill should have been passed along time ago. Because this is in the best interest of the child. Not removing one parent from the child's life. Section 4D of the Social Security act. You are paying and don't even realize. Make a difference get involved.

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brian kleiman brian kleiman Jun 21, 2007 @ 4:02 pm

To think that detroit new had a survy done in 2004 that showed michigan wanted a shared parenting bill at a vote of 86.5 in favor to 13.5 not in favor and michigan still has done nothing to change is rediculouse,we have only one person to blame at the moment and that is brenda clack.

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Don Delaney Don Delaney Jun 21, 2007 @ 8:58 am

Follow the money!!

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Scherry Shabazz Scherry Shabazz Jun 21, 2007 @ 1:05 am

I support Michigan House Bill 4564. Totally because CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS every day to become productive, healthy, happy human beings. They are our future and right now they are unhappy, confused, and having a major identity crisis that only both parents can solve.

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Michael T. Ross, MD Michael T. Ross, MD Jun 20, 2007 @ 10:54 pm

Michigan invests in a single parent family model for federal money even though this means destruction of our children and adults as well as our economy and culture. Rep. Brenda Clack has an opportunity to become an American hero and stateswoman by breaking this model with introduction of HB 4564.

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laryholland laryholland Jun 20, 2007 @ 6:09 pm

I have to agree with Brian Downs that Family Courts are rewarded by the Federal Government through Title IV funding. I support HB4564 fully, and believe that resistance will only come from those that directly benefit from Title IV funding. To learn more visit http://www.nationwideblueprint.com .

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Stephanie Forton Stephanie Forton Jun 20, 2007 @ 5:28 pm

I support House Bill 4564. A child needs both parents in their life. Changing the child's name per each new step father is not good for the child nor is only being allowed to see the father if the father can give enough money. Michigan shouldn't deny a child's right to have both parents.

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Mody Botros Mody Botros Jun 20, 2007 @ 1:55 pm

It's about time... The great United State of America with all the meanings of freedom and equality, somehow we managed to close our eyes on what's going on in our family court system. The only time in my life I wished I wasn't american. Do we have it in us to change?? back to basics??

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Brian Downs Brian Downs Jun 20, 2007 @ 1:51 pm

This issue is far more important than Michigan's budget they we always hear about. The crisis in the family courts must be fixed immediately. HB 4564 makes joint custody a presumption unless one parent is unfit. All reputable studies prove this is the best for children. Pass HB 4564 now!!!

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chris paris chris paris Jun 19, 2007 @ 8:53 am

i support the hb 4564 bill.and so should you,this bill will benefit families everywhere.how could you not want that to happen.the state of michigan only has financial interest and the ones opposing this bill are trying to protect their financial gains.the constitution protects equal rights!!!!!

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Kelly Cool Kelly Cool Jun 15, 2007 @ 9:33 pm

As a divorced parent of two wonderful children, I support the bill to allow equal parenting. Children need both parents to balance and enrich their lives. Stop the PAS parents from causing so much harm and help the children have both full time parents. Children are our future! This is a start!

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geribrown geribrown Jun 12, 2007 @ 9:59 am

I support the HB 4564 I am a single mother and i believe that as long as my daughter is happy having both her father and i a part of her everyday life then that is what is in her best interest. Just like every other child out there, they want a need both parents and it is thair right to have both.

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Michael Vickory Michael Vickory Jun 10, 2007 @ 5:12 pm

I was involved as a father until the State and Ingham County stepped in and mandated that I can only be a "visitor" to my child. If HB4564 had been in place when my divorce was finalized I would be able to give a positive influence to my 2 year old son.

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TERRENCE S M POPP TERRENCE S M POPP Jun 7, 2007 @ 9:19 am

If you think it cant happen to you, or if you have the mind set it does not apply to me then you are dead wrong. The system as it stands now is bias and wrong. How the court can justify going from living with your children everyday to 96 hours a month is criminal. It needs to change Macomb MI

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Cory Mackwood Cory Mackwood Jun 7, 2007 @ 9:08 am

Dear State Legislators: You represent Michigan residents, not 3rd parties that have their own agenda. Listen to 85% of the constituents you represent. Look across your own dinner table and ask yourself if YOU deserve equal time with your own children so long you are fit? Then demand HB4564 to come to a FULL VOTE.

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Karin Karlsson Karin Karlsson Jun 7, 2007 @ 12:46 am

Children need both their parents involved in their lives. This state experiment of cutting out one parent and leaving the other with all the responsibilities is too much and immoral. The courts and family system are breaking families to make a profit off the misery of our children. www.crispe.org

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Carol Rhodes Carol Rhodes Jun 7, 2007 @ 12:18 am

The FOC, attorneys, judges

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Robert James Brown Robert James Brown Jun 6, 2007 @ 8:59 am

It's HIGH TIME to put the Friend Of The Court out of Business, because the Friend Of The Court CAUSES more Problems than they actually solve! I have had over 200 visits DENIED and what was done to make this right? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! She got letters saying "Don't let this happen again!" What BULL!

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Terry Wanston Terry Wanston Jun 5, 2007 @ 11:23 pm

I support Michigan House Bill 4564. All of Michigan's children deserve to be secure in the love of Both Parents and in their right Not to be snatched from a loving home.

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David Church David Church Jun 5, 2007 @ 8:20 am

I, as well as my whole extended family, support HB 4564 in Michigan. It is time that the law and the courts act in the best interest of a child instead of the their best finacial interest.

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Elaine Pedersen Elaine Pedersen Jun 4, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

It's so sad1 A child's right to have equal love and nurturing from both fit parents can be taken away through divorce. Imagine their confusion and loneliness. Their world is permanently changed through no fault of their own. I support this bill.

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Tom Gallen Tom Gallen Jun 4, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

The gravy train is full and the state and custodial mothers are making too much money, the way it is, and they will NEVER allow it to change. By the way, the attorney general is the conductor on this gravy train and destroying fathers and families is apparently his idea of a good time. Good Luck

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Evan Schulz Evan Schulz Jun 4, 2007 @ 12:52 pm

I support HOUSE BILL 4564!

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Evan Schulz Evan Schulz Jun 4, 2007 @ 12:52 pm

I support HOUSE BILL 4564!

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Sharon Z Sharon Z Jun 4, 2007 @ 11:25 am

It's too late for my husband and I. If something like HB4564 existed in 1992 then we would still have a relationship with my step-daughter. Now we are ALL victoms of Parential Alienation due to her mother's selfishness. WE NEED TO STOP BREEDING GENERATIONS OF DYSFUNCTIONAL CHILDREN!

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Robert Kerr Robert Kerr Jun 4, 2007 @ 10:44 am

Get the stats from the State courts and the Health Department, Every FOC office violates Prop 2 every day.

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Steven Hampton Steven Hampton Jun 4, 2007 @ 2:27 am

I am but one of thousands of frustrated fathers who is being taken to the cleaners and is being deprived of my daughters. In time the courts will see the injustices that are being done to fathers all across the country. For now, show your support and let's get things changed in Michigan.

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Dan La Fountain Dan La Fountain May 29, 2007 @ 11:46 am

Yes, I support HB 4564. How could it not be right to support equality?

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Laura Smith Laura Smith May 29, 2007 @ 9:10 am

I Support Michigan House Bill 4564. I am a single mother who supports both parents having equal influence in their children's lives-meaning equal time with their children.

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Brian Kleiman Brian Kleiman May 23, 2007 @ 8:59 pm

I support hb4564 .I remeber our pledge of alegence.do non supporters of this bill forget the constitution and the last phraze? I'll remind you ( with liberty and justice for all ) Ring any bells? this includes children riped away from thier dads,aboused by the state and thier mothers,forced drugs.

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Randall Scotti Randall Scotti May 23, 2007 @ 3:30 pm

Thank you for all the work you are doing on behalf of non-custodial parents. It's time for the Court to rule according to consistent law rather than self-contradictiry law. It's time for the legislature to re-write law consistent with constitutional rights already secured in law.

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Chester Merda,sr. Chester Merda,sr. May 23, 2007 @ 11:20 am

No matter how wonderful and great mothers are,they lack the certain qualities that only a father can give his children. For the court to order the father to see his children only 48 hours out of a two or three week period is not enough in the best interest of the children.

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darricksf darricksf May 22, 2007 @ 10:15 am

Let's keep building the amount of e-exposure so that we flood the net with information. We need you to actually support this movement not just cheer from the back row.

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Marilyn Price Marilyn Price May 21, 2007 @ 9:50 pm

Children need both parents, period. Grandparents need their grandchildren in their lives. All this is just common sense, so why is this even up for discussion ? My grandchildren cherish the time spent with me and the family stories, traditions, and just plain family togetherness.

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Chris Biernat Chris Biernat May 21, 2007 @ 8:55 pm

I support HOUSE BILL 4564!

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robert becker robert becker May 21, 2007 @ 4:30 pm

children deserve both parents! follow the money! the greedy government(bastards) force us from our children for the money!

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Betty Cronberg Betty Cronberg May 20, 2007 @ 11:55 am

Every child desparately needs to feel the love and guidance that BOTH parents can provide, throughout their childhood, as well as the rest of their lives. The stability, security and harmony influenced by a healthy relationship with both Mom AND Dad is irreplaceable. Kids need both their parents.

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Brian Downs Brian Downs May 20, 2007 @ 10:13 am

The only reason that makes sense for the bias in the family court system is the money trail (i.e. Federal funding under Social Security Title IV). The court system must give sole custody to one parent(usually the mother) to receive federal funds. This is NOT in the best interest of the children.

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June Wright June Wright May 19, 2007 @ 6:35 pm

I was one of those mothers thatlet the father see the children only what was shown in court papers.Now that I am 65 and my children are adults.I learned love is never wrong from both parents I was selfish for denying them equal time, my sons missed out because of me now its too late,their dad died.

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Chet Merda Chet Merda May 19, 2007 @ 11:50 am

Why does a Stepfather who doesn't support the children get to spend more time with them than their own father?
If parenting time were equal to fit parents then there would be a huge reduction in Amber alerts. Just think the time, effort, and tax money that could be saved in the judicial process a

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Dmentos Dmentos May 18, 2007 @ 8:59 pm

Robert and Angela Pedersen of A Child's Right supports Michigan House Bill 4564. Michigan children deserve better! 4-6 days a month with the other fit parent is child abuse. we ask that Representative Brenda Clack bring this bill up for a vote in the Family and Children Services Committee.