I created this lens under the assumption that the Scriptures are the ultimate source of truth. I welcome any and all feedback, but for questions or comments concerning the truth of the bible please refer to my "Why I'm a Christian" lens.
Practices of the "Word of Faith" Movement
At this point, "Name it and claim it" becomes a major focus of the church. We are told that if we ask for wealth, we will receive riches beyond our wildest dreams. If we ask for health, we will never be sick again. One minister went so far as to say that he hadn't had a headache in 45 years - he didn't mention his heart problems. The biggest problem with naming and claiming is when ministers say that it works because God has no authority over the earth, that He lost it with the fall of Man. These ministers also say that, since God spoke and the world came into existence, why can't we do the same? The reason we can't do the same is we are not God!
Ministers start to use sermons as a way to answer challenges from other theological figures. They'll say things like "The diamond rings on my hands and the nice car I drive stem from my being a good Christian man". This still seems fairly innocent, until they start to preach the worst type of insult to their congregation: "If you are poor, your faith is lacking". Some ministers actually tell people that if they are not blessed with riches, their faith is lacking! The same is done with health, if someone is sick, they're faith is lacking!
The "name it and claim it" sector, while devastating to the Church as a whole, is not the worst of the word of faith movement. For a minister to get so far off track that he would accuse the poor and the sick of being faithless, there are likely to be other problems with their doctrines. Spiritual experiences are given preference over sound biblical knowledge. They teach that Jesus and his disciples were rich beyond imagination, in an outright denial of Scripture. They tell people that in order to follow in Christ's footsteps, we are called to be wealthy as well. How do we become wealthy? By naming and claiming our wealth. What will give us God's favor so that naming and claiming will work? By giving as much as we can to our church, whether we can afford it or not.
I feel the need to stop here and specify that giving to a church is a great thing. Supporting your church is necessary for it to function and for it to help your community. Normal giving and tithe are not the problem, it is the motives behind the giving (and receiving) that can become corrupt.
Sound Biblical Doctrine?
Many leaders in the faith movement are being criticized by more traditional theologians, while the faith movement's congregation is left wandering what the debate is even about. Instead of ignoring opposition, perhaps we should consider both sides of the debate, rather than dismiss what we don't understand.
Relying on Someone Else's Knowledge
A problem with many Christians, not just the faith movement.
When you were a kid, did you ever play the game where all the kids sit in a line, and the first one whispers into the next kids ear, who turns and whispers to the next, and so on until all of the children have heard the secret? Then the last one stands up and tells the secret that they heard. Then the first one stands and tells everyone what the secret was. The two version barely resemble each other! While I'm not saying that you shouldn't listen to the opinions of others (obviously, otherwise why would I be writing this), you should take the opinions that you hear and test them against the only true source of knowledge that we have - the bible.
Relying on Faith, Not Seeking Knowledge
If your argument for your beliefs is that you "feel" it is true, than why bother? If everyone has their own personal truth, than why shouldn't people do whatever they want? How can any one religion be the true religion, and why try to convert others to Christianity? To take it a step further, would it be wrong for someone to "get rid" of their grandmother if they needed her money? Their personal truth may be that they need that money, and that their grandma never spent enough time with them anyway. Would it be wrong then? What about grandma's personal truth of wanting to exist? How does her truth measure up to to the other person's truth?
If God is true for you but not for anyone else, and you stop believing, maybe hell does not exist. Or, maybe if you name it and claim it you can destroy hell so no one has to go there!
Science and Religion - At Odds?
Where did science come from? It is the study of the things around us, the things created by a God who is constant, a God with laws. That's why many parts of science are so predictable (once we learned how they work). That's also why it doesn't relent to us, how we're feeling, or what we want to be true.
This is another reason that I have a problem with the Name It and Claim It sector of the Church. Just as the way a person feels won't change the things around them, speaking what they want will not alter the universe just to make what they want happen. You want wealth? Where will it come from? Certainly you could work harder, change jobs, do something to make more money. But it didn't just fall out of the sky. If God decides someone should be poor, how can they stop Him? No one knows His reasons, yet do people think that they know more than Him? Do they think they are strong enough to go toe to toe with God and win? If anyone answers yes to this, don't ever stand next to me, I don't want to get struck by THAT lightening bolt.
My Experiences With the Faith Movement
Once something starts down a wrong path, it can be difficult (or impossible) to get it back where it needs to be. The faith movement can start out innocent enough, but before you know it, blasphemies and heresies can become common place. False healings, being told that if you cannot be "slain" in the spirit that you are not saved, that if you don't speak in tongues you cannot go to heaven, that if you give more money to the church then God will bless you (if you don't He will curse you), these things don't start overnight. First someone had a headache, was prayed for, and they felt better. Then people would occassionally speak in tongues, or someone who was being prayed for would be "overcome" by the Spirit. Then we'd hear about the amazing healings going on in revivals; yet you'd never see one actually happen, you'd never hear about how that person was doing later on. Worship services became total chaos, people screaming in tongues, falling over, while the pastor is repeating the same phrase over and over and the music is blaring in the background. Instead of being a place to come in peace and worship God it became a spectacle.
By the time I left my church, I was so disillusioned that I wanted no part of any church. It took me another five years to join a church, a traditional church, the type that my previous church disapproved of. I've heard so many people talk about disillusionment with churches that I want to make it very clear to everyone - faith movement churches are not the only alternative. There are other types of churches, and they are not dead, they are full of spirit, they give of themselves to their communities, and they offer sound biblical doctrine rather than an "experience".
- Speaking in Tongues
- Since speaking in tongues is huge in the Word of Faith movement, I invite you to view my lens about tongues.
What it Takes To Be Ordained as a Presbyterian Pastor
This only explains some of the ordination process, and it doesn't mention finding or being accepted by a church as Pastor.
"Routinely, candidates have a college undergraduate degree (usually four years) and complete a seminary degree (usually three years). In addition, candidates must pass national exams that demonstrate their competence in the fields of theology, Bible (including content and a working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew), church polity, and worship and Sacraments.
The candidate is examined by the Committee on Preparation for Ministry and, after presenting a personal statement of faith and preaching a sermon, by the presbytery itself. If the examination is sustained and the candidate receives a valid call to ministry, the presbytery ordains him or her to the office of Minister of the Word and Sacrament. Only a presbytery may ordain a minister, not a congregation. "
- Taken from the PC(USA) webpage - http://www.pcusa.org/101/101-minister.htm.
What it Takes To Be a Minister of a Non-Denominational Church
What about the ordination process? You fill out a form with your name and address (online or by mail), select your new title, and pay a small fee. You are now ordained.
That's it. No test of biblical knowledge, no checks on basic theology of any kind, no head Church or organization to hold a minister accountable.
I'll specify here that some ministers of these churches have studied, earned degrees, and earned there positions, but many have not. I will also state that there are cases when people who are called to teach do not need to attend a seminary. But when it comes to the head Pastor of a church, we should expect that they have studied, that they know what they are talking about, and that they are held accountable by somebody if their teachings become inaccurate or dishonest.
Food for Thought
If someone hates you and thinks the world would be better without you, and they Name It and Claim It in the name of Jesus, should your life end? Is Name It and Claim It only for those who have a sound enough mind to use it? Who determines who's mind is sound? It can't be God, He has no authority on earth. Should our limited knowledge decide our own (and others) future, instead of leaving it to an all-knowing God?
Related Books on Amazon
New Guestbook
-
Reply
- john edwards john edwards Sep 15, 2009 @ 3:04 pm
- awesome article~
-
Reply
- d-artist d-artist Aug 13, 2009 @ 8:49 am
- very nicely written and great subject.....5*.... stick with the Bible and not man's word...I do love the research in the book "Jesus The Great Debate" by Grant Jeffrey http://www.grantjeffrey.com/
-
Reply
- freddi freddi Jul 8, 2009 @ 10:32 pm
- Very interesting. I didn't know some of the things about the name-it-&claim-it beliefs. Like teaching that God has no authority on earth? That's really odd. Not to mention scary. Fascinating lens.
-
Reply
- Reggie_Marigold Reggie_Marigold Jun 4, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
- I liked your personal approach to this lens. It's honest and open. Thank you.
-
Reply
- tdove tdove Mar 13, 2009 @ 4:51 pm
- Thanks for joining G Rated Lense Factory!
-
Reply
- AslanBooks AslanBooks Mar 12, 2009 @ 2:14 am
- Excellent lens concerning the Faith Movement. It's nice to see another person upholding orthodox Christianity. 5*'s and a favorite. I've done a lens on Kenneth Copeland and one on the Faith Movement. Take a look at my lensography to view them.







