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POSIWID - The Purpose of a System is what it Does

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POSIWID (the purpose of the system is what it does) is a way of thinking about complex systems, giving us a different perspective on a range of social and political issues.

When we understand the complex loops that maintain the status quo, we are better equipped to make positive changes in organizations and society.

 

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The origins of POSIWID thinking 

The term POSIWID was coined by Stafford Beer. It was picked up and developed further in a trio of books written in the 1980s by engineer Bill Livingston. (See review by The Peripatetic Philosopher.)

Diagnosing the System for Organizations

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Have Fun at Work

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Friends in High Places

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New Plague

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Recent books that use POSIWID thinking 

Trust and Mistrust: Radical Risk Strategies in Business Relationships

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Systems Biology: Philosophical Foundations

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Intelligent Organizations: Powerful Models for Systemic Management

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Articles and blogs exploring POSIWID 

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Memetix
"Although it is dangerous to use the POSIWID principle to infer intent on the part of individual actors in a system, it is useful for analyzing the emergent behavior of a system. It certainly cuts through a lot of crap about unintended consequences."
The One Percenters
"Learn to separate beguiling economic theory from real world facts by applying an acronym from systems theory: POSIWID. Taking America as a starting point, how has the consensus treated its wealthiest one percent? What has it done?"
Life Support Systems
Interventions in Complex Socio-Technical Systems,
by Michael Jacobs and Aidan Ward

Internet Resources 

blogs and wikis

POSIWID blog
Topical applications of POSIWID thinking by John Smith, Richard Veryard and Aidan Ward
POSIWID wiki
Notes towards a POSIWID book by Amicus Rex
POSIWID links
various items tagged "POSIWID"

Approach 

The POSIWID principle applies a kind of backwards logic to systems thinking - from effects to causes.

If a complex system produces a given outcome, or if a given outcome emerges from a complex system, then we may assume some purpose linked to this outcome.

This is a useful guide for investigation and interpretation. Ignore the official purpose of the system, ignore what the designers and custodians of a system say, and concentrate on its actual behaviour.

Conversely, if there is some unexplained pattern of behaviour, look for a system whose purpose this pattern reveals. (We often can't see the system directly, but we infer its hidden presence because this helps to make sense of some observed pattern of behaviour.)

Critique 

Unthinking use of the POSIWID principle can lead to gross error.

Many users of the POSIWID principle seem to assume that system scope and behaviour is unproblematic - that outcomes can be unambiguously attributed to some system or other.

A complex system apparently produces a diverse set of outcomes. According to the POSIWID principle, all these outcomes may be identified as purposes. A complex system typically contains many conflicting or contradictory purposes.

Many of the purposes of a system cannot be observed in its normal behaviour because they are contingent purposes - the behaviours may only appear in extreme circumstances.

Furthermore, some behaviours are generated by the interference between many systems. It is of course possible to frame the interference within a larger system, whose purpose is presumably to generate this interference and its effects, but this framing is not generally a useful one.

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Logical Foundations of POSIWID 

What makes backwards reasoning valid?

POSIWID represents a kind of backwards reasoning - - from effects to cause. Various philosophers and logicians have discussed whether this kind of reasoning can ever be justified. Vote here for your favourite backwardian.

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