Rating on Squidoo

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Remember the feeling when your Lens recieved a rating lower than five stars; and you thought the Lens was the next best thing since sliced bread! I do - but then I thought 'What is the rating system supposed to be used for?"

The rating system on Squidoo is one of the fundamental foundations underlying the success of Lenses, and ultimately the site as a whole. If the system of rating is abused, or raters simply rate with five stars as they don't want to upset anyone, then the whole system becomes redundant and there's really no point in having a rating system.

With that in mind I've written this Lens to explain my thoughts on how the rating system should work and what each star rating really means. I've highlighted my own personal lenses that fall into each star rating.

"Whooooaaaa why did someone just rate my Lens with only one star? No way man, this Lens is far better than that?"

Why is rating so important? and what problems does the system currently have? 

Consistency: One of the hardest things any website like Squidoo has is to get a consistent rating system - some people will vote five stars for everything regardless of how good or bad the Lens is. However, if more people rate Lenses, using similar ideals on how to rate, then overall the ratings will be consistent - the key here is to rate - the more you rate, the fairer the rating system becomes.

The five star controversy: Currently it seems that the majority of people who rate give a Lens five stars; in fact I've seen many messages on Squidu complaining that someone dissed them by rating a mere one star.

The whole point about a rating system is to differentiate between poor Lenses and great Lenses. If every Lens is rated five stars regardless of content, format and quality then there really is no point in having a rating system. Some people are scared to rate Lenses as they deserve, but they are doing a disservice to the Lens and to Squidoo.

Some will not give a bad rating to a Lens designed by and Angel or a Giant Squid - but if the Lens deserves a poor rating, then it should be given one!

Constructive Feedback: currently if I receive a low rating I don't get upset. If the rater has left a comment, I'll read it and amend the Lens appropriately. If there is no comment, then I'll do an objective review of my Lens and try and improve based on my own criteria for good Lenses. Without proper ratings I'd assume that all my Lenses were great - that simply isn't the case!

"When one sets his heart on being highly esteemed, and achieves such rating, then he is automatically involved in fear of losing his status" Lao Tzu

Fundamentals - how to rate! 

These are my suggestions on factors that should be considered when rating:

Content: a Lens with sixty Amazon Modules and no unique content will not get a high rating. Content is perhaps the most important element of all - without decent content, then the Lens becomes simply a list of products.

Relevance: a Lens titled 'Star Trek - the best series in the world' that goes on to explain about fried bananas is not relevant. If the title is being used to 'grab your attention' and then the content is on a totally irrelevant subject then it'll get a lower rating.

Also, the module you use should be relevant. If you're doing a Lens on Star Trek, then why is there a module showing me trips to New Zealand? It is not relevant to the subject.

Format: the first thing I look for in a Lens is how good it looks. If it is cluttered with plain text, no pictures and no logic to the flow of the content then it is an instant turn off for me - I'm likely to ignore the Lens. The better the format, the more chance I'll stay and therefore the better chance I'll rate highly.

Use of headings: it's annoying when you come into a Lens, read some decent content and then see "New YouTube vids". You've put in a lot of work on your Lens, but then can't customize one simple heading. If you're site is a Star Trek Lens, then change the heading to "Cool Star Trek videos on You Tube' - it adds context, and makes the Lens look less generic.

Commercialism: there is nothing wrong with a decent site that has many links to Amazon, or a many other commercial sites. However, there is a fine line to tread. If you have a Star Trek Lens with one text module stating "Star Trek is really cool, buy something" and then fill the Lens with six hundred links to Star Trek products with generic descriptions then you'll get a low rating. Personalize the product description, tell me why you like a product etc. Add plenty of content to persuade me into buying a product.

NOTE: These are my suggestions - each of us will have our own methods to rate and review Lenses and that is OK - take what you want out of my ideas and apply your own ideals - nothing is set in stone!

How do I rate? 

Below I've applied my methods to my own personal Lenses and explained why I would have rated these Lenses in a particular fashion.


Example: The 'One Star' Lens 

 




Content: As I look at the Lens the content doesn't really tell me much more than the heading. While there is a very brief introduction to Nanowrimo, the Lens doesn't explain much about the concept for writing the novel, the background to me as a writer, or give any context for the reader to understand what exactly the Lens is trying to achieve. It simply throws the reader straight into the novel.

Relevance: The title of the Lens is confusing. Novel: The Road to Nowhere. Is this published? Who wrote it? What is it about? The title does not tell me anything about the Lens or what I can expect as a reader.

Format: Text, text and more text. There are no pictures to break up the text; the text is plain and boring. The format shows little effort and makes the Lens look poorly constructed and, if I were the reader, I'd probably read one paragraph and then leave. There's simply nothing in the format to excite me. There are also two guest books - why are there two? It's sloppy and not relevant.

Use of headings: The headings are terrible. Nanowrimo, Chapter 1, Chapter 2 - very boring and they give me no insight into what the Lens is all about. Even if the content had been great, I would have rated this Lens poorly.

Commercialism: What has Twilight and Harry Potter got to do with this Novel? Sure, they are loosely in the same Genre, but they really have no place on this Lens. The Lens is more about wanting a critique on writing, so why even have any commercial aspects to the Lens - they are not relevant and not needed.

Conclusion: the problem with putting a part written novel on a site like Squidoo is that there are not really many people that will take the time to read and critique it - there are better places to ask for critiques on writing; there are hundreds of sites dedicated to budding authors. Unless the story is short, then Squidoo probably isn't the place for a Lens like this.

Is the Rating System Useful? 

Let me know how useful you think the current rating system is? Why is it working? What is wrong with it?

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Yes

Spook says:

I'm in full agreement with the rating system. Having said that I'm an all or nothing rater. That's my personal choice and I have had low ratings from people who have favourited and five starred their own lenses which I considered a load of junk. Be that as it may we are all different and each to his own. To give a five star lens something lower because you don't like it or are jealous is something I detest along with commenting on other people's lenses who are gleefully promoting this, but to never get a comment back. Include me out as Goldwyn so famously said.

Angelus says:

I use it but only award 4 or 5 stars. 5 if there is lots of interesting, original info, well chosen images, and some interaction. 4 stars if the lens is well presented but needs a bit more meat on the bone. I avoid rating if the lens is poor.

Joan4 says:

Yes, the rating system is useful to me. However, if I don't enjoy a lens, I simply do not rate it at all. I use an "all stars or no stars" approach. And I do not 5 star anything with default module titles or poor content, etc.

Laniann says:

It tells you if you are on or off the track. I think a lot of people don't rate a lens after looking or reading it.

EvoSolutions says:

I had asked a friend to have a look at a lens for me and give me an honest rating. He sent me an email and said he loved it. I later found he had not rated it. He couldn't find the stars on the page. My question: Is is only lensmasters rating lensmaster?

No

BarbRad says:

I agree that if it were used as intended consistently by everyone, it would work. But the all or nothing approach doesn't work very well. I"d almost like to see something more people could relate to such as letter grades C-, C, B, B+, A That wouldn't flunk anyone, but it would be a bit below average a bit, average, above average, very good, or excellent. I think those terms are more understandable. Nobody who writes a lens deserves anythinig lower than below average, since nobody who actually finishes and has a featured lens should flunk or be way below average.

EverydayMiracles says:

It's really hard for me to say, so I'm going to say "no." I've only published a couple of lenses so far and I'm not proud of them. But they are getting 5* ratings.

Perhaps comparatively they are very good: I don't know as I haven't done enough reading around Squidoo yet. But what I have seen and rated is generally exceptionally good or incredibly poor. My lenses seem to fit somewhere in the middle between the two.

However, I do think that it is more useful for us to use the "critique me" forum at SquidU or the comments to pass on helpful tips than using the rating system. If the 1* somebody rates a lens is permanent, then what happens when that lens is updated and improved?

Cari_Kay says:

I really like your ideas. I think the current system is a bit ambiguous. I think a little tweaking could make the rating system a bit more valuable.

 
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Example: The 'Two Star' Lens 

 





Content: Oh, where's the content? You asked me a question, but didn't give me any context, any arguments for or against Obama, or even a simple opinion. OK duels are nice, but I like to have something to go with it.

Relevance: The title of the Lens is great. I immediately know what the Lens is asking and what I can expect to see. Immediately I see a duel module asking me exactly the same - great - good idea, get to the point straight away. Suddenly, I'm asked to choose a candidate -what? The election is over - why are you asking me this now? OK there's a little blurb at the top of the Lens, but there's no place for this question any more - it simply should be removed.

Format: There's no pictures, no text and nothing to make this Lens stand out. It simply is boring and staid - there's nothing, aside from one simple question, to keep me reading - why bother.

Use of headings: Apart from the main title of the page, there's nothing but a repetition of the main title - and that's it.

Commercialism: How can you add so little content and then expect someone to buy books that are barely related to the subject. Also, did you notice that the plexo has been hijacked? Always keep an eye on the plexo and if someone adds non relevant books then delete them!

Conclusion: There's a great idea waiting to be unleashed here, but without context and without some type of introduction to the debate, there's simply nothing here. Another problem with this type of duel is that the question will have different answers as time goes by, so it's hard to keep the answers relevant. What made this a two star rather than a one star Lens - well at least the title was relevant and the subject is interesting.

Do you always rate? 

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Example: The 'Three Star' Lens 

 






Content: The introduction explains the heading and is very relevant; it tells me what the Lens is about and what the aim of the Lens is. After this the Lens loses itself a little. It tells me the progress I am making, but hasn't been updated for over a month. Then there's a calendar, which is a cool idea but it hasn't been updated. These two sections become irrelevant because they are not updated.

Relevance: The title and introduction are relevant, but then the Lens foes off in a tangent - it is all related in a lose sense to the title, but it's not convincing.

Format: too much text and not enough pictures. It's nice to see the Lens broken up with some colorful backgrounds and a calendar, but the format isn't consistent all the way through.

Use of headings: the headings aren't bad, but don't really tell me much about the Lens. Using a date as a heading can work, but it has to really be relevant to the whole Lens.

Commercialism: OK it's a good idea to have books on dieting listed - but the descriptions are generic; it would be far better to have personalized comments about the books - explain why you think the book is great.

Conclusion: this isn't a bad Lens, it just needs a lot of polishing. It is a personal story, but to make it most effective it really has to be constantly updated. A Lens like this has to be polished and logical for it to have full effect - as it stands it's Ok, but it doesn't really push the story home.

Do you vary your ratings? 

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Example: The 'Four Star' Lens 

 







Relevance: The content is all relevant and up to date. It poses questions well, and gives both sides of the argument.

The key to a Lens like this is not to try and force a reader into an 'answer' but give them relevant facts and opinions and let them make their own decisions. This Lens does that well, giving plenty of information, but also listing several additional sites with relevant information.

Relevance: the title of the Lens is straight to the point - it tells you exactly what to expect in the Lens. The content all links to the heading and is relevant. The reader knows what to expect, and the Lens delivers with content that is both relevant to the heading, but also relevant to the duel module.

Format: this is where the Lens perhaps loses that extra star. Overall it is formatted well, but it does get a little cluttered at the top. This makes the Lens a little harder to read than it should. On the positive side it has interesting backgrounds, plenty of decent pictures and even some graphs that are relevant to the discussion. The more graphics that demonstrate a point, but do not clutter the Lens, the better.

Use of headings: generally very good - there is one heading that has 'MOnth' rather than 'Month' and while this is not a major problem, it is a little sloppy. Simple errors like this can detract hugely from the overall quality of a Lens - a reader will get to the heading and wonder why the Lensmaster can't correct a simple mistake.

Commercialism: the books listed on the Lens are relevant to the subject and have a personal comment. This is great as it lets the reader know more about the book than the generic title that Amazon gives - it also lets the reader know that the Lensmaster has read the book and is in a position to really say whether the book is good or not.

Conclusion: this is one of my most successful Lenses mainly because of the subject matter. It's a very relevant subject and very emotive. Overall it just needs a little polishing to make it perfect. It's important that the Lens is constantly updated to keep it relevant.

Do you think everyone should use the same method to rate? 

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Example: The 'Five Star' Lens 

 








Content: The content is packed full of recipes; it is clear and concise and very easy to read. Each section is written well and is cohesive and easy to understand. The products for sale are blended well with the content and match well.

Relevance: The title tells you exactly what to expect from the Lens and the Lens delivers on the promise. It's The Lens does not get sidetracked by adding information that is not relevant to the subject. Sometimes simplicity is the key - this site simply lists recipes, not getting too complicated by explaining why the Guinness adds flavor etc. It is concise and straight to the point and is very relevant. The introduction is relevant and not to long.

Format: The first thing you notice is the Index - the Lens uses a Pint of Guinness as the Index - it is eye-catching and cleverly adds an additional element to the Lens. The formatting of the recipes is very good - the font is nice, and the background and border do just enough to highlight the recipe without getting too fancy. The pictures are relevant and add a 'yummy' factor to the Lens. The 'black box' module has been used well - not only does it separate the Starters / Main Courses and Desserts, but it also adds a little fun, and breaks up the Lens well.

Use of headings: the headings are perfect. They explain each section well leaving you in no doubt about what you are about to read. The context is perfect - not only does it tell you what the recipe is, but it also tells you which course the recipe should be used for. They are simple and effective.

Commercialism: all the items listed on the Lens are used in creation of the recipes and the process of cooking. They are all relevant, and the Lensmaster has added his own personal reasons and explanation about why they are great products. The key is the relevance - if it was simply a list of cooking books then it wouldn't quite be relevant, but because it lists ingredients, tools etc then the commercialism blends in well with the rest of the Lens.

Conclusion: The first impressions you get when entering the Lens is that it is well thought out and useful. All the recipes are well set out and the pictures illustrating the end product really help force through the 'yumminess' of the recipes. The Lens isn't overbearing - it presents itself well and doesn't try to do too much.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." Eleanor Roosevelt

Do you think the rating system should be changed? 

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Yes - it's being abused; most people only vote 5*

EverydayMiracles says:

Thumbs up and thumbs down is great, but it is also an abused system. If someone disagrees with the content of your lens, they will sometimes give a thumbs-down instead of considering the layout and other factors in the lens.

I feel it would almost be better to do away with a rating system altogether.

Joan4 says:

Yes, I agree with Fluffanutta. simple thumbs up or thumbs down would work better for me.

Cari_Kay says:

I like Fluffanutta's idea. I think a thumbs up or thumbs down is a better system altogether but, if the powers to be do not agree, than I like Simey's ideas.

thefluffanutta says:

I feel that a simple thumbs-up or thumbs-down rating system would work better, which is effectively how the current system is used anyway.

No - it's working well.

BarbRad says:

Leave it alone and hope people will begin to used it properly. i try to be objective even when I disagree with a lens's content. I ask myself if the content is presented well to those who want information on the subject. I will try to be more consistent and only give the higher ratings to those who have a lot of original content.

Spook says:

No I would leave it as it is.

JNFerree says:

The Star rating system is good "as is". One person's perception of what constitutes useful content is good enuff.

Cinetech says:

No, why re-invent the wheel?

BevsPaper says:

Even if we were to all follow your criteria it would still not accomplish what you want.

Comprehension and Perception: All humans will comprehend and perceive the criteria in a different way.

Preferences: What a dull world this would be if we all liked the same things and that is all we ever saw. Some like animated .gifs and others hate them. Some like a BOLD statement and others prefer the minimalist approach.

 
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Do you like my method of rating? Agree or disagree with the method? Any comments on the Lens?

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    grannysage grannysage Sep 20, 2009 @ 9:07 pm
    Any rating system is going to be subjective. If you watch the tv talent shows, one judges is always more lenient than the others. That said, for some reason, Squidoo is a place where it is hard to give less than 5 stars. I am usually an all or none, but I've been trying to talk myself into giving some 4's. I think it is because we are not voting anonymously. I always leave a comment if I vote, so I hate to be the one to hurt someone's feelings or make them mad.. Cowardly of me, I know.

    Ha, I just had an idea. I could sneak in in the middle of the night, leave a 3* and sneak back out again. Then come back the next day and comment and say, "who me?" LOL
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    grannysage grannysage Sep 20, 2009 @ 9:07 pm
    Any rating system is going to be subjective. If you watch the tv talent shows, one judges is always more lenient than the others. That said, for some reason, Squidoo is a place where it is hard to give less than 5 stars. I am usually an all or none, but I've been trying to talk myself into giving some 4's. I think it is because we are not voting anonymously. I always leave a comment if I vote, so I hate to be the one to hurt someone's feelings or make them mad.. Cowardly of me, I know.

    Ha, I just had an idea. I could sneak in in the middle of the night, leave a 3* and sneak back out again. Then come back the next day and comment and say, "who me?" LOL
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    Angelus Angelus Jul 11, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
    A very useful lens - thank you. 5 stars and added to favorites.
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    kab kab Jun 10, 2009 @ 12:52 pm
    The only one I find myself not using is two stars. I will use 1 star if I am the first to star it and it is total crap - I know it gives a little boost to the lens, but I like to give a little warning to the next guy. Three stars - for the blah lenses. They're got a couple modules but no substance whatsoever, they're not spam, but they are not valuable. Four stars is okay - they had a good topic, made me want to learn about it, but didn't exactly fulfull all my wildest dreams. Five stars - it's just what I always wanted. Angel Blessing (the sixth star) - blew me away.
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    SimeyC SimeyC Jun 8, 2009 @ 6:26 am | in reply to EverydayMiracles
    I am really glad I could be a little help! I agree with your comments about my 2* Lens and will edit a little to make it more like a 2*! I think the point you are making really is that Rating is subjective - it's going to be different for everyone - I tried to come up with a simple guideline, and even I had trouble being consistent!
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