The World of Ponzi Schemes

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There has been a lot of publicity about Ponzi schemes this week (mid December 2008) because of the massive multi-billion dollar fraud created by Bernard Madoff in the USA.

Madoff's deception was based on Charles Ponzi's initial con in the 1920's. That's him in the photo on the left.

With Ponzi schemes all that glitters is not gold.

There are many Ponzi schemes still on the Internet and it's important not to be sucked into these.

About The Ponzi Article Below

I first wrote the following Ponzi article back in January 2007 and it was then published on my blog Mike's Money Making Mission.

Having been a publisher of business opportunity magazines I had previously delved into, and had experience with, various Ponzi style programs and schemes.

Warning: The Dangers Of Ponzi Schemes

I like to normally dwell on positive things with money making but it is important that we take care when considering various, so called, investment opportunities and hyped up money making claims.

Many frauds and cons are based on, or are a variation of, Ponzi Schemes. They are named after the originator, Charles Ponzi, who founded the classic pre-war fraud in the USA. The concern is that these type of programmes can still flourish, especially on the Internet. Members of such schemes are often convinced of the legitimacy of the plan and defend them with great conviction. It is also a characteristic of Ponzi Schemes that the promoters continue to claim their innocence, even if found guilty in a law court or are closed down by an official government body.

So what is a Ponzi Scheme and how do they operate?
On the outside they can look to be very respectable and are usually well administered, at least initially. The schemes look out for investors or members who are willing to hand over a sum of money with the promise of an exceptionally high return. The minimum can be as little as £50/$100 but can also be several thousands of pounds or dollars. The promoters state, or sometimes just infer, that the money will be put into some sort of high rate investment. It could be a secret bank, currency dealings, gilts or many other variations.

The whole point of a Ponzi scheme is that it must look to be a very attractive proposition. To work it has to be popular and growing. Why? Simply because the investments aren't true. The first investors receive their returns from money paid into the scheme by later investors. In other words they are money circulation plans.

Some of the larger frauds may actually invest part of the money, as a smoke-screen, but mostly there is no secret bank, currency dealings or whatever.

Ponzi schemes are sometimes difficult to detect in the early stages because they appear legitimate. Early investors are full of praise as they are paid out on time. The word soon circulates as to how various people have made big returns. So the scheme snowballs and attracts more and more money. Everything is run efficiently. Regular newsletters may go out, payments are made on time etc. Even the doubters may start to think that their first opinions were perhaps wrong, as all they hear are good reports from other members. The promoters often have impressive addresses in many countries and look to be a massive concern. In reality they are often run from a small office or even a private address.

The investment returns are mostly only paid out after a year. Investors are encouraged to then leave their money with the organisation to let it compound for even, supposed, larger returns.

Eventually the money dries up. There isn't sufficient coming in for the promoter to pay out. This has to ultimately happen. The scheme crashes, or a government department may step in as they start to receive complaints from dissatisfied investors.

Prior to the crash the promoters often try for a final hit. They may alter the program slightly, offer yet higher returns if people are willing to invest more money. All along, of course, the promoters have been milking the money that has gone into the scheme. The money gets salted and hidden away in offshore accounts and the like.

When the programmes do finally crash or are closed down, as said earlier, the promoters continue to protest their innocence. They promise they will back members given time or they will fight any legal action. They try to blame the demise on others. They ask for members' patience, a lot of waffle is circulated. The strange thing is that even in the aftermath some investors continue to believe the promoters version of what might have been.

The lesson behind the Ponzi schemes is: If something looks to be too good to be true it probably is.

Ponzi style plans have different lifespans, dependent on how good the smoke screen is. If such a scheme is run solely in one country, the size of the UK, they can be around for up to eighteen months, but longer if they are worldwide. Some of the early investors do make handsome returns - this is purely for show and for publicity.

A typical scheme can be started quite easily. Amazing International is set up wanting short term loans whereby they promise to say double your money in one year. Fred runs Amazing International from his bedroom in Wisteria Crescent, even though his letter heading indicates his main office is in Los Angeles with another at an offshore location. He tells people he can also get them high returns in financial instruments at Swiss/Austrian Banks with his inside knowledge and the fact that he is such a large concern. Few people bother to check out his claims properly so money rolls in. Some is salted away and some used for an extravagant lifestyle. When the first loans or interest become due he pays out a few, who insist on their money, but persuades the majority to keep their money in the scheme (for massive gains). When the scheme finally collapses Fred has disappeared.

Be careful of any over hyped claims. A few suggestions:
  • Secret or red ribbon deals, financial instruments or bank accounts offering unusually high returns or growth for doing nothing are usually best avoided - unless you have proper professional advice.

  • Do not believe that because individuals or companies are making confident claims they must be telling the truth and that they wouldn't be silly enough to lie.

  • Check out the company or organisation before parting with any money. In the UK Limited Companies can be checked out at Companies House. Also in the UK the addresses of the people or person behind a P.O. Box Number can be obtained from the Post Office. No phone and a Box Number - forget it!

  • If an investment is offered, again in the UK, check out with the Financial Services Authority that the individual/company is authorised.

  • Always contact the company themselves. Ask lots of questions. Where is that branch in Los Angeles? How is the money made? If they won't say - forget it! Don't be fobbed off.
I previously published business opportunity magazines and you would be surprised how many fall for Ponzi style money making schemes. Be careful.

Ponzi Schemes Can Fool All Sorts Of People

Kyra Sedgwick and Kevin Bacon Lose Money

The scary thing about Ponzi schemes is that they fool all sorts of people. Even the rich and famous are taken in when they hear about the high returns supposedly being made.

It has now been reported, for example, that Kevin Bacon and his wife Kyra Sedgwick got stung by the Bernard Madoff Ponzi style fraud in the USA.

The couple have admitted that they were taken in but their spokesperson wouldn't say as to how much money they had 'invested'. No doubt it was a sizeable amount.

Other names who were caught up in the Madoff swindle are said to be Steven Spielberg, Eric Roth and Jeffrey Katzenberg.

And, of course they are not alone. Incredibly some UK banks pumped money into Madoff's fund to the tune of millions of pounds.

The wise banks left it well alone. As one banker told me, "We couldn't understand how Madoff was supposedly getting such regular high returns. It just didn't feel right."

But greed is a strange thing. Sometimes it overlooks and ignores the obvious - and this is why Ponzi Schemes will always flourish.

List Of Clients Who Lost Money With The Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme

163 PAGES OF NAMES!

The US Bankruptcy Court in Manhatten has now released a list of Bernard Madoff's clients who have filed claims.

Sandy Koufax Ponzi VictimIf you are interested in such things you can see the full list of 163 pages on the Madoff Victim List.

In addition to the well known names previously released Sandy Koufax, the ex-Major League Baseball player, is now also included along with several dozen accounts involving the Mets.

Ponzi schemes touch on all walks of life.

The Charles Ponzi Story

The True Story Of A Financial Legend

Ponzi schemeCharles Ponzi, 1882-1949, was born in Italy and headed for America in 1903 where, he believed, the streets were paved with gold. He tried all sorts of get-quick schemes but none seemed to work, until 1920 that is. This is when he thought up the very first Ponzi scheme.

He was a charming, gregarious man and for a brief period even some newspapers and people in the financial sector were taken in and virtually endorsed his so called investment.

You can read the full story of this extraordinary man in a book by Mitchell Zuckoff called Ponzi's Scheme: The True Story of a Financial Legend

You Can't Cheat An Honest Man: How Ponzi Schemes Work

Why Ponzi Schemes Are More Common Than Ever

This book takes an investigative look at the reasons why Ponzi schemes and pyramid frauds are thriving everywhere. It closely examines why over 100,000 Americans are suckered into the schemes every year.

Tips are offered to detect schemes and respond when they occur. The purpose of the book is to educated consumers and make them aware of how scams work.

The book, with the very long title, is available from Amazon and at a discount of course:

Link:You Can't Cheat an Honest Man: How Ponzi Schemes and Pyramid Frauds Work...And Why They're More Common Than Ever

Andrew Lloyd Webber Likens UK National Insurance To Ponzi

The Lord himself, Andrew Lloyd Webber, has had a rant today about the UK Budget and the fact that income tax has been raised for those earning over $150,000 per year.

He's annoyed because high tax payers also have to pay high National Insurance contributions. He wrote in the Daily Mail, "In Healy days, there was no open-ended National Insurance tax. Then National Insurance was supposed to be just that, not the gigantic Ponzi scheme financed through direct taxation that it has become."

If you think about it that is exactly what a lot of pension schemes, and the like actually are - glorified Ponzi schemes. Current contributions pay for the payments to recipients.

Latest news on Ponzi

Alleged Ponzi scheme promoters worked outside scope of jobs: officials
News of the alleged Ponzi scheme broke Tuesday when the securities commission issued an "investor alert" warning investors not to send any money to Samji or Patel. By that time, the credit union had suspended Patel, and the notaries society had ...
BC notary, mutual fund salesman investigated over suspected Ponzi scheme
On Tuesday, the BC Securities Commission issued an "investor alert" warning investors not to send any money to notary Rashida Samji or mutual fund salesman Arvindbhai Patel. "We felt it was important to warn investors not to send any money to either of ...
Madoff Trustee Seeks to Pursue $386 Million Lawsuit Against Mets Owners
The Mets owners, after losing money in the Ponzi scheme and an income stream from Madoff, have said they are trying to sell stakes in the Major League Baseball team. They have cut the team's payroll and hired a restructuring firm to advise them on ...
RCMP Warning Public About Ponzi Schemes
The RCMP's Financial Integrity Section is issuing a warning to Manitobans to be on the lookout for a number of Ponzi schemes operating in and around the province. Constable Ben Doiron says lately, they've been receiving more complaints about them.

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    PonziVictim Mar 5, 2010 @ 5:55 am | delete
    Jason Meyer of Rochester Minnesota has been working on scamming investors from the South East, Including Miami Lawyer Bernard Butts, which was probably a bad move. Beware of this Ponzi Scheme. Jason Meyer seems legitimate, but this is a Ponzi.
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    JaguarJulie Jun 30, 2009 @ 3:24 pm | delete
    I just heard that Bernard Madoff may be getting 150 years in prison! Pretty amazing.
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    Pastiche Apr 20, 2009 @ 7:17 pm | delete
    In our community there was a smaller scale(only a few million bucks) but just as nasty Ponzi scheme involving mortgages. Still good advice: if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't.
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    OhMe Mar 6, 2009 @ 7:23 pm | delete
    Oh me! Oh my! Thank you for all this heads up info. Great job.
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    MsMorrison Mar 6, 2009 @ 7:37 am | delete
    Thanks for sharing this. Definitely 5 stars!
    Here's my take to this topic :)
    Being "Madoffed" Renews Bag Lady Fears
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    SammySpam Feb 17, 2009 @ 7:23 pm | delete
    I very detailed and simply presented lens. You managed to keep it simple and direct, which made for a easy and great read. 5*
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    AndyPo Feb 13, 2009 @ 11:07 am | delete
    Excellent lens and very important, interesting information
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    Chadrew Feb 10, 2009 @ 4:22 pm | delete
    Regrettably, there are a lot of ponzi schemes operating online, since I imagine that's easier than doing it offline with all the legal requirements. They usually call themselves "HYIP" (high-yield investment programs), but of course they don't invest their money anywhere but rather pay old members from new members' money.

    Anyway, nice and informative lens :)
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    cjsysreform Jan 27, 2009 @ 10:45 am | delete
    I saw this happen over and over again with those MLM "get paid to read email" things. It was kind of fascinating, in a sad sort of way: nobody ever really got paid except for the list-owners, whose main advertisers were members of multiple "paid email" sites. These members had at least figured out that the only possible way to make any money was to advertise their referral links and build substantial downlines.... but what they didn't figure on was that most of the people running these programs had no intention of ever paying anyone.
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    PaulHassing Jan 21, 2009 @ 4:13 pm | delete
    Great to encounter you via Tammylove's Top 5. I enjoyed this lens & look forward to reading your other content. Best regards, P. :)
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