A Negative View about The Renegade Marketing System

Ann Sieg- WARNING!

This is how the post I read started out at the top. She goes on to talk about The Renegade Network Marketer

So I thought since it was sent to me by another distributor who wanted my opinion, I thought I would post my personal response for all to read as sort of a learning tool.

After all, it has to do with the methods I and many other successful business owners use and teach today. So let's get the record straight on this by giving both sides of the story so that everyone can make their own decision based on the facts.

So please leave your comments at the end as well, as I am sure this string could grow to be a long debate here and so why not give your personal opinion as well?

By Bob Andolina

Her Post Continues:

"My personal rant. I am soooo tired of seeing Ann Sieg "warn" people about their companies. Compelling advertising, and effective. Certainly true in some situations".

Bob's Remarks:

"She just admitted here that Ann is a real pro when it comes to marketing". She said she is so tired of seeing Ann's advertising, so Ann must be doing something right to get this much attention.

Do I feel a little jealously here?"

Her Post Continues:

"But it's just another sales pitch to vulnerable people. Just to be fair, she is not the only one, but I get so many questions about her, that I'm addressing it here".

Bob's Remarks:

"Would it not make more sense to ask a successful Renegade Network Marketer their opinion like me or many others who are already having success with it?"

Would You Go to a Boxer Who Never Won a Fight and Ask Them to Teach You About boxing?"

Her Post Continues:

"When I was first exposed to funded proposals (through the Pay It Forward 4 Profits system) I was quite excited.

Bob's Remarks:

"What does "Pay it Forward 4 Profits system" have to do with the Renegade system? The name alone smells like a true pyramid.

The The Renegade Network Marketer System teaches ""Attraction Marketing"

This "Pay it Forward 4 profits system" is not using attraction marketing methods because the name it self already is working against anyone being attracted to it."

Her Post Continues:

"I thought that it did have answers for people. It made a lot of sense at the time. I learned some good things that I have now incorporated (like blogging and article marketing). I tried several other systems, and yes, I explored Ann Sieg's system.

Bob's Remarks:

"Sounds to me she just said that she learned a lot from these systems and just "explored" Ann's Renegade system.

Does "explored" mean to learn and use?

Her Post Continues:

18 months later, watching my business volume drop, and my downline quit because of the funded proposal, and I reversed my position.

Bob's Remarks:

"No, is was not because of any system she used that caused her failure, it was because of her.

People tend to blame others for their failure because it makes them feel better. In this case, she failed to use the Renegade system the right way, that's one of the many reasons why she failed.

If she did it the right way her volume would not have dropped and her income would have gone up instead like my income did as well as many others.

So it was not because of the Renegade system that caused this failure, it was because of her.

If it was truly because of the Renegade system, everyone else using it would fail as she did.

Bob's Remarks:

"People Don't Become Successful Because of a System, Product, Company or Even a Great Opportunity.

Read that one again.

"People Don't Become Successful Because of a System, Product, Company or Even a Great Opportunity".

People Become Successful Because of WHO They Become in the Process.

If it were otherwise, everyone would be successful in the same MLM company because they would all be offering the same tools and products.

People become successful because of WHO they become in the process."

This is part of the reason Attraction Marketing works so well for those who understand it.

However, after attracting people to you, you better then have a product that solves their problems or you will go broke trying to build your business, which seems to be the case with this distributor.

Her Post Continues:

"As I explored other so-called "generic marketing systems" I realized that they were in essence the same thing over and over again. Affiliate and downline building , traffic exchange, safelist, free ad listing, nonsense.

Bob's Remarks:

"Affiliate Marketing, Internet Marketing, and Network Marketing are the top 3 ways of marketing on the Internet today.

Many successful businesses have been built this way including Google, Yahoo, YouTube, MySpace, FaceBook, and so forth.

All of these have used their own marketing systems that contained all 3 methods to some degree or another and all have used Attraction Marketing.

When a person understands that it is a combination of all three of these well know marketing systems that make up "Attraction Marketing", they will then be attracted themselves.

They will have success like me and many others like Ann Sieg, Mike Klingler, and Mike Dillard, once they learn the secret to how to use all 3 together.

But the bottom line comes back down to each person and what they do as individuals with his or her turn. Everyone will not be successful with any one system.

In this case she was using only part of the Renegade system, (maybe without knowing it), and so that is the main reason she failed.

Maybe it was poor communication on her part or she did not have the right coach or maybe she did not even have a coach at all teaching her the way.

Whatever her reasons for her failing, it can't be the Renegade system because many others have had success with using the methods it teaches.

If the The Renegade Network Marketer System did not work, nobody would continue using it and it would never have become one of the fastest selling products on the Internet today.

Her Post Continues

"So she created the The Renegade Network Marketer System and the The 7 Great Lies of Network Marketing to draw people in".

Bob's Remarks:

"Yes! Is that not the reason she is in business? To attract people who have problems and are looking for solutions"?

"Not only that, she was a genius for coming up with this idea in the first place! $250,000 per month after 1 year in business is pretty good results of her system. Would you not agree"?

Her Post Continues:

"I'm not sure how different it is from "lying about how to make money in MLM" to making money off of people's disappointments, without offering a real solution".

Bob's Reamrks:

"This statement makes no sense".

"First of all, who is making money off of people's disappointments?

I have people thanking me all the time for introducing them to the Renegade system.

Maybe this is another reason why she failed. She was trying to make money off of other people's disappointments. That will never work!"

Her Post Continues

"All you get from Ann Sieg's stuff is well, more hype, and the world's longest sales letter. A real solution, in my opinion, would allow you to learn from someone and build without their "tools".

Bob's Remarks:
"Again she makes no sense here either".

Why would you want to learn from someone, but then,
have them hold back the very same tools they used that helped them become successful?

If I had a winning racing horse that continues to win races and offered it to you, would you rather raise a new horse and hope that it becomes a winner instead?

Her Post Continues:

"If you are attached to their "tools" in order to build, then maybe the system itself is weak. Tools are helpful and good. But a strong business cannot be centered around a single tool".

Bob's Remarks:

"This again is where she misses the whole point of the Renegade system.

"It is not a single tool".

It teaches you how to put together your own marketing plan based on the "Attraction Marketing Model."

In the process of learning how, you will become very excited and very self-motivated.

The reason for this excitement is because you can see success so much faster now. You are learning how to use attraction marketing, and the many tools available on the Internet to automate your business.

For many, it will be the very first time they ever owned their own real business in their own real name!

The Internet works like the speed of light,
but people need to first learn how to flip on the switch.

Her Post continues:

What Ann Sieg and the others don't tell you about their funded proposal programs is that they are designed to appeal to frustrated MLMers. There is more money to be made in marketing to frustrated and disillusioned network marketers than they could make in their companies.

Bob's Remarks:

"Why are there so many "frustrated MLMers"?
"Why are there so many "disillusioned network marketers?"

Could it be that 97% are failing because they are also using just old-school network marketing methods by itself these days?

"Why is there more money to be made helping these people compared to the money that can be made selling a MLM product?

Could it be for the lack of good solid training available to them in the industry?

"Because of the Internet, people must learn how to adapt to it and combined all 3 marketing systems into one.

Some are calling it: "InterNetWorkMarketing".

Also, if there is more money to be made helping other "Frustrated MLMers" reach more success, freedom, and real security, then why would people not be interested in doing so?

In fact, that's one of the reasons why people are so attracted to it in the first place!

For most, it is the first time they could pay their bills soon after they launched their business and even have money left over!

What a Relief!

"Running out of people and money is what causes 97% of people to fail when building a home business".

"The The Renegade Network Marketer System takes care of both!!"

Her Post continues:

Downline builders often violate your company's guidelines or rules because it is cross-recruiting and can be construed as being in multiple network marketing companies. Many MLM companies do not want cross-affiliations for legal reasons.

Bob's Remarks:

"Distributors are not employed by the companies whose products they market. Each distributor is an "Independent" distributor.

In other words, people are attracted to network Marketing because they can become true entrepreneurs.

They must follow the rules of each companies policy of whose products they market, but, they are true entrepreneurs never the less.

Bob's Remarks

What really is a Entrepreneur?

An entrepreneur is a person who has possession over a company, enterprise, or venture, and assumes significant accountability for the inherent risks and the outcome.

The term is a loanword from French and was first defined by the Irish economist Richard Cantillon.

Entrepreneur in English is a term applied to the type of personality who is willing to take upon herself or himself a new venture or enterprise and accepts full responsibility for the outcome.. Meaning, independent Distributors.

The Renegade Network Marketer System teaches you how to become independent from anyone's system. It teaches you how to develop your own business style first that separates you from anyone else.

You become a go-to leader that has the answers to help people who have the questions like; "Why can't I build my business after 10 years of effort?

Would you turn your back on someone that needs your help? I would hope not.

Her Post Continues:

"And if you are fishing for leads in a traffic exchanges, returning emails with your advertising, participating in paid "social networking sites" with thousands of other network marketers fishing for leads..hello! You've just been thrown into a feeding frenzy. How many good prospect do you really get at a feeding frenzy?

Bob Remarks:

"As many as you want".

"I get 1-2 joining my business every day and Mike gets around 30 a day. How many is this distributor getting since she failed I wonder?

I don't work with all of these people, my maketing system that I set up does that part for me everyday.

Instead, I get to talk only to the people who have ask me for my help and/or who have joined my team.

The days of the heavy phone work, getting people to host parties for me each week, and dragging people to meetings all the time, ended for me and many others with the birth of the The Renegade Network Marketer system

My new marketing system that I put together does the sorting process for me now, which was much of the day-by-day time-consuming work I use to do before. Now I can instead spend my time with those who wish to go forward, or simply any way I wish!

Isn't that what most good leaders would want to do and should be doing in their businesses?

Her Post continues:

"If you have a strong company, with a good product or service that people would buy without making money on it, you don't need a funded proposal. If someone's training consists largely of their affiliates and how to use them, move on"!

Bob's Remarks:

"Most people can't sell, do not want to sell, and do not want to be sold. So who is going to sell these products to earn a profit? It gets back to the 3% group again.

The top 3% are:
People who love to sell retail.
People who are the center of influence.
People who have a lot of creditability with a lot of rich friends.
People who already had years of selling experience.
People who transferred in from another MLM and brought 100's of distributors with them.
People who just hung in there for many years.

Remember, we are talking about the top 3% here. This is not the case for the other 97% which is most of the people who want to build in this industry but are failing.

Then to top it off, you have people who have never sold anything going out to teach others how to sell!

The combination of Network Marketing, Internet Marketing, and Affiliate marketing is where the future is today. Top that off with the right coaching and you have a win/win partnership!

This will make Network Marketing companies more solid than ever, if they have a product people will continue to want to use.

The reason for this is because their distributors will be into profit sooner and they will learn how to attract people instead of repel them.

This way they can last longer in the business to get their MLM built for the long term earnings.

It has been proven more than once that you can have the best product in the world, but if people don't know about it, (you don't know how to market it), you would never sell it successfully".

Bob's Remarks:

"People buy "YOU" more than they do your product".

Think about this:

I am rude to you and your family and I even go as far as to call you names. Then I turn around and try to sell you my greatest product in the world.

Would you buy from me especially if you could buy it from thousands of others selling the same product?

That is what many people are doing to other people in this industry when they always have to chase others down on a daily basis.

They need to be thinking prospecting all the time when they are out and about living their lives when I instead am having fun just meeting other people.

It sure removes any pressures on me to preform in a certain way and it can be that way for others as well once they learn how.

Bob's Remarks

I could not believe it!

After she put down the The Renegade Network Marketer system she went on and ended her post by offering her own marketing system for sale instead.

I went to her Web site following her link only to find she has a system you can buy into that cost you money on a monthly basis to use it.

There was much listed there that contradicted most of what she just wrote about in her post here.

But the biggest statement was this:

"Our long term success has everything to do with the quality of our products."

"Your success has little to do with your ability to sell them."

Are you falling for this?
Are you depending on someone else for your success?
If so you will never have success.

Don't be fooled!

You can learn from others but the real success will come from you.

If your MLM products were the only thing needed for success, your MLM company would not need you in the first place.

So find a Coach or Mentor who brings out the best of your abilities.

Stop bad mouthing other systems. It really makes you look like a bad leader anyway and keeps you in a failure posture.

A great leader once said:

"Don't spend your time talking down about other companies, I hope they have something good to offer."

"Instead, talk about the good things you offer with your company. That's something you can be proud of doing!"

Hope you may have learned something here with all this. But even better, what do you want to offer on this subject below.

Add your comments so that those who read this can hear from many of you as well.

Wish you much success!
Bob

Thanks to all of you who have commented below so far. The more who do, the better it clarifies as to what the Renegade system will deliver. But again, as most of you confirmed here, it comes down to each person for his or her own success.

As for Allen Patch, who posted:
"I tried Ann sieges' system and it sounded like she wanted more and more money for her training and leads so I sent it back".

First of all Allen, the Renegade system is $67. So no, Ann does not ask for more and more money. Also you don't need to buy leads, the Renegade system will teach you how to create them for free.

But, to be honest with you, if you think that after you invest $67 you should have a successful business without investing more, then you might want to reconsider going into business in the first place.

Because there is a lot more to it than investing more money, you also need to invest in yourself as well. I think Mike Dillard of Magnetic Sponsoring is up to $60,000 or so, but when your earning a few million like he does now, it no longer matters. That's why he is at the top now.

He was once watching his money at the beginning as well. Read his story at Magnetic Sponsoring

That is why you need to be seeing some green ASAP, to help pay your expenses along the way. Not 3-5 years from now when your MLM is built.

The Renegade System along with Attraction Marketing will teach you how to earn an income faster and build your confidence sooner than anything I have ever seen in the past 27 years I have been in this industry!

Why?

Because, for the first time in the history of the world, we have a tool to use in our marketing efforts called the Internet. Those who learn to use this tool correctly today with Attraction Marketing methods, will be the teachers of tomorrow.

You can learn how to become one of these teachers today or you can learn from one tomorrow. The choice is really up to you. But whatever you decide, the world continues to change either way.

I would be happy to help you in any way I can. One way for you to get this help is to get in touch with me by signing up for free access to my business tip line at My Web Page. That way I can guide you all along the steps you need to take.

If you want to give the Renegade System another try, get it here at The Renegade Network Marketer and I will make sure you get it right this time.