Who or What Made Them?

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Questioning the origins of things

We can agree that pretty much everything and everyone was made or created by someone or something. We twenty-first century humans have figured out who or what made most of them.

So, for example, we all agree that the Andes Mountains were made by natural forces and the ruined city of Machu Picchu was made by the Incas. Why they built this city up there on the top of the mountains in Peru is not known (or at least not agreed upon), but at least we all agree it was human beings (not aliens!) that made it!

However, there are still a few origins that we haven't agreed on - yet. So let's debate them!



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How the Debates Work

To make it simpler, each debate is set up with only 2 choices. However, there are more than 2 candidates in many cases. I've tried to combine them as reasonably as possible, but it doesn't quite work in all cases. So if you really want to offer an alternative explanation feel free to add it to the Guestbook near the end. And if there's a lot of discussion in the Guestbook, I'll just have to make a new set of debates including those options!

Generally, the options available in these debates are:

  • Nature

  • Human beings

  • Aliens

  • God

So on to the first debate!

Markawasi Rock Formations

The rock formations at Markawasi (also written Marcahuasi) in Peru are quite amazing. They are on a plateau high in the Andes Mountains and have been dated back to 6,500 years ago. What is incredible about these rock formations is that they appear to be sculptures of animals and people, among other things. The experiences visitors have had there have led this "stone forest" of sculptures to be called Peru's "Sacred Forest."

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So what's the deal here?

Well, one group of experts, like Daniel Ruzo who lived at the site for years in a little cabin, thinks the formations are sculptures made by the ancient culture of people who lived in that area thousands of years ago. This group claims that the rocks were created by the people of this ancient culture to represent the different animals and people. Actually, there are some who have suggested that aliens helped them!

The other group, like geologist Robert Schock, believe that the rocks are just natural formations. People "see" the animals and human heads in the rocks because we have a tendency to interpret things in meaningful ways.

I know what he means - there's a hill in Edinburgh called "Arthur's Seat" that looks just like a lion lying down with its head up (when viewed from a certain angle).

Holyrood Park and Arthur's Seat Seen from Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh, United Kingdom

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Not to be unfair, but the rock formations at Mount Rushmore are the real deal when it comes to sculptures made by human beings - yes, I know they're a lot more recent!

Mount Rushmore in South Dakota, USA
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Who or What Made the Markawasi Rock Formations?

Nature or people

I haven't actually seen the Markawasi rock formations in real life so I could be wrong here, but I'm really skeptical that these "sculptures" are man-made. I think they look more like rock formations that just happen to look like animals or a person's face.

What do you think?

How were the Markawasi rock sculptures made?

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Natural forces "weathered" them

mowug1776 says:

okay is highly doubtful that these rocks are man-made.

JoyfulReviewer says:

Because of the size of them, I'd assume these were sculpted naturally.

BunnyFabulous says:

I think they look more natural, but I could be wrong.

Serenia says:

I say natural forces - water for example is a very powerful force

BlueStarling says:

They look natural to me.

People made them

ggherardi says:

man-made 100% sure

jptanabe says:

I'm not at all convinced that these are man-made, but it is strange that so many rocks in this small area look like animals and people. Perhaps there's more going on than just the weather!

 
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Nazca Lines

The Nazca Lines are enormous geoglyphs found in the desert near the town of Nazca in Peru. Due to the dry desert conditions these lines have been preserved from the time they were created, around 2,000 years ago.

Mysterious Nazca Lines Form a Spider in the Desert
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At first glance you'd think the local people made them, and yes, there were people there called the Nasca people. So what's the mystery here?

Well, to start with, they're really huge. The largest one is nearly 270 meters (890 ft) long, covering an area nearly 500 square kilometers (193 square miles). That's a lot of work to make one, and there are several hundred in existence!

Then, and this is a biggie, you can only see what they represent from the air. That's why no-one (in recent history at least) had noticed them until people flew over the area in airplanes in the 1930s. So how could the people have built them if they couldn't fly?

Finally, why would this ancient culture make these huge figures in the desert? There are some suggested reasons of course, like they're for astronomical purposes, worshiping gods, even just for the sake of art! Maybe so.

What's the alternative? Aliens of course! Erich von Däniken said the Nazca lines are runways of an ancient airfield that was used by extraterrestrials mistaken by the natives to be their gods.

Trapezoid, Nazca Lines (Nasca Lines), Unesco World Heritage Site, Peru, South America

Far fetched? Maybe. But at least one of the figures does look rather like a runway - like this "Trapezoid."

And then there's the figure called the "astronaut" - for obvious reasons!



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Click on the image below to see him close up - he's very cute!

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Who Made the Nazca Lines?

Humans or Aliens

These huge geoglyphs in the desert of Peru could have been made by the Nasca People, an ancient culture, who lived there at the time they were created. They get my vote anyway!

What do you think?

Who Made the Nazca Lines?

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The Nasca people

ggherardi says:

Man Made - obviously. Intelligence, innovation and creativity. the nazca lines are a calendar.

mowug1776 says:

trust me if there's any intelligent life out there it came from the earth for us there's nothing out there extraterrestrial that is intelligent except for God, the Angels and the Devil. If and only if there is extraterrestrial life out there of the three-dimensional kind then it had to have only come there no later than 1946 if you catch my drift.

JoyfulReviewer says:

No, I don't believe aliens created these. They could be outlines of remnants of structures built by the Nazca or other culture.

BunnyFabulous says:

I think there were some incredibly artistic big-picture (pun intended) people who made them.

OldStones says:

No reason to believe ancient peoples didn't have the basic understand of geometry, and mathamatics needed to create these designs.

Aliens

jptanabe says:

Love that comment Lisa!

lisadh says:

Right after the aliens built the pyramids, they came and made the Nazca Lines. They didn't have iPods to entertain themselves back then, you know. :-)

 
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Crop Circles

Crop circles are sections of flattened crops that form large intricate patterns when viewed from the air. They usually appear in fields overnight, without anyone seeing who made them.

Aerial View of Crop Circles in a Wheat Field, Wiltshire, England, United Kingdom
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So who made them?

The first possibility, which I'm discounting here, is that they are just natural phenomena. The forces of nature just happen to make these amazing, enormous designs in the middle of fields of grain! Sorry, I'm not buying that one.

The second possibility is that people made them. Sure, people have been able to make some crop circles, and have claimed them as hoaxes. But here's the problem. Over the years there have been a large number of these crop circles appearing, overnight, without anyone seeing or hearing anybody making them. When you see how enormous they are (check out the video below) you can understand that it's quite an undertaking to make one of these designs, pretty hard to do in the dark too! And lots of them haven't been claimed by anyone as hoaxes.

Also, the method of flattening the crops seems to involve some kind of electromagnetic energy, one not available to the general public. Sure, it could be some kind of secret military technology. Why they're making these amazing and quite beautiful designs in the middle of farmers' fields is not clear though!

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So the next option is some kind of paranormal activity. That means aliens in UFOs! Hey, without another explanation crop circles could be made by alien beings from other worlds. Of particular interest to me is the idea that these "aliens" are from a different plane of existence, not necessarily beings from other planets.

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Who Makes Crop Circles?

Aliens in UFOs or just hoaxes made by people

Of course some say crop circles are just natural phenomena. If that's your pick you'll have to say so in the Guestbook!

For this one I have to go with the "aliens" since I can't see how people could succeed in making so many of these circles, and with such amazing designs! I have to say though, my "aliens" might not be from outer space but rather beings from a different realm or dimension, perhaps even spirits of humans.

Who makes crop circles?

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Aliens in UFOs

MelonyVaughan says:

There are some that are fake. I don't, however, think that the intricate ones could be made by man.

jptanabe says:

Hey, someone has to go on this side of the debate! There just seem to be some unexplained aspects of these crop circles, which suggests something beyond physical human abilities at work.

They're just man-made hoaxes

ggherardi says:

No a hoax. Somebody or many with a reason. No aliens

mowug1776 says:

I would not necessarily call it a man-made hoax. But I would have to say that the farmers are not dummies besides it helps free enterprise anyhow all you have to do is do a little bit of measuring that night get it done before anyone sees you and Presto you have an overnight sensation that you can charge people 10 to 100 bucks a pop standard in some thing that they think an alien did you can easily make $1,000 $10,000 a bushel that way

JoyfulReviewer says:

I wouldn't call these hoaxes, but I don't believe they're made by aliens.

BunnyFabulous says:

again, someone talented makes these, but they're human, not ailen.

OldStones says:

Crop circles are made by man in much the same way the Nasca lines were made.

 
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Mythical Creatures

I love mythical creatures! They appear in tales of wonder, legends, and mythologies all around the world. Some of these creatures are beautiful, bringing good fortune and happiness; others are dangerous and evil, and a hero has to appear to do battle and defeat them. Many of these creatures have supernatural powers that have no physical explanation. A number of them are chimeras, combinations of one of more creatures, such as a horse or a lion with wings. Some are even combinations of human beings and animals - like the centaur that is half man half horse, or the mermaid whose lower body is like a fish. Fascinating!

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So where do these creatures come from?

Could be just our imagination. In all cultures people make up tales to teach their children about good and evil, threatening them with dangerous witches (like the Russian Baba Yaga), to keep them from misbehaving. The men also love to tell tales of how they defeated "monsters"! So perhaps dragons and unicorns, fairies and phoenixes, and even the Scottish Loch Ness Monster are just created by human beings from our imagination. Ah, surely not Nessie!

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Yes, there is another possibility! Some of them could be real, existing creatures. Yes, there could be a creature or creatures living in Loch Ness! Some of them could have existed in the past. Dragons look quite like those flying dinosaurs really, don't they? And fairies could be some kind of spiritual being, normally invisible in our physical realm but real nonetheless. Others we probably invented - the centaur seems to be a case of mistaken identity, for example, when people who had never seen horses saw riders on horseback for the first time.

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Where do Mythical Creatures come from?

Real creatures or just our imagination

I really hope at least some of these amazing wondrous creatures exist or have existed in nature. I know the human imagination is a wonderful thing, but I like to think there's a real and amazing world out there too!

What do you think?

Have mythical creatures ever existed in the real world or did people create them in their imagination?

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At least some of these creatures have existed in nature

mowug1776 says:

okay I hope what I think might have happened did not happen. It may be interesting in to know that the Chinese have some laws pertaining to what they referred to as Dragon keepers apparently the Emperor used dragons to pull his chariot. I have stumbled across some people who believe that some of these may have actually been experiments somehow sent back through time for one reason or another in other words some retard and say 2025 get bored of cloning horses and decides to try put wings on a horse. Yes know a bit far-fetched especially the time travel routine. Although as far as some of the other thing it is very possible that they were literally just dinosaurs. It is very possible that instead of being the fantastical animals created they could have easily just been for instance Triceratops.

mowug1776 says:

these forms could easily have been caused by erosion over time.

musicaldreamer says:

I think they did exist

moonlitta says:

Even if they existed in people's imagination that doesn't make them less real!

LisaAuch says:

I do beive some creatures have existed

Human beings made them up

JoyfulReviewer says:

Probably created in people's imagination or handed down in folklore.

Serenia says:

Pretty sure Unicorns, Dragons and Fairies are entirely made up.

BlueStarling says:

I think mythical creatures are the product of folklore. Say there's a bully in town, and he's town and intimidates everyone. Over time, as people talk about him, he grows in size, develops strange characteristics (having one eye, maybe) and becomes even stranger and more "alien." A couple of generations later, the real bully is forgotten, and a cyclops monster has taken his place. Folklorists would argue that mythical creatures were created in this or a similar way. I agree.

Mr. U1 says:

They exist in spiritual world.
People who have spiritual ability saw them and drew their pictures.

 
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Human Beings

Where did we come from?

Human Evolution Scheme

Image of "Human Evolution Scheme" from Wikimedia Commons.

Now things are really getting interesting!

So, where did human beings (that's us!) come from? Obviously we didn't make ourselves - we still haven't figured out the cloning technique so obviously we didn't make all the people who've lived for millennia already.

The first possibility is that we are the result of the forces of nature. We just appeared here on the earth naturally, without any interference from outside, or plan, intelligent design, or whatever. We evolved from simpler animals as a result of random mutations and survival of the fittest or other such processes.

There's certainly some truth here. Obviously we're related to the apes, just as they are related to the monkeys and other mammals, and so on. So our appearance on the earth isn't magical, we didn't arrive from somewhere else. We were born here just like all the other living things that populate this planet.

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But does that mean there are only forces of nature at work here? Not necessarily. In fact, laws of nature show that without input from outside things tend toward chaos, or at least simplification. To get something of a higher order, more complex (like human beings) you need input of some sort. Some say the input is in the form of an intelligent design. Religious people say the input came from God, who planned the whole creation and human beings as the highest form. So you can say God is the intelligent designer and He/She used the processes scientists have discovered to do the work of creating all the creatures. Some religious people don't want much to do with the scientific discoveries and just say God created human beings.

For this debate I'm saying the choice is between forces of nature (evolution) or an intelligent designer (God).

Where did Human Beings come from?

Created or evolved

I'm not buying the random mutations argument here! I can't accept that this amazing universe just appeared without an intelligent designer who created everything, including the laws of nature, and especially created human beings. I'm calling that designer God.

What do you think?

Were human beings created or did we appear by chance?

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We were created by an intelligent designer - can be called God

mowug1776 says:

there is no way scientifically speaking that we could have been created by mud. Our eyesight is better than most people realize also my only question to those of you who believe in evolution why did we change our body structure to accommodate weaker muscles to survive in a dog eat dog world?

JoyfulReviewer says:

I believe man was created by God and not through evolution.

OldStones says:

Something crawled out of the primordial ooze, and natural selection took it from there

Serenia says:

I say we (along witht he universe) were designed by a supreme creator. She/He/It is just NOT the same creator that is described in the Bible.

kab says:

We evolved, but at the hands of something higher.

We evolved due to forces of nature

ggherardi says:

evolution

BlueStarling says:

If there were a "designer," who created the designer? And who or what created the second "designer"? If it's plausible that the designer "just appeared," why is it less plausible that we evolved naturally?

moonlitta says:

The existence of a "designer" would put his skills in doubt- we're too far from a perfect creation, in my opinion.

 
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God

Now this is really interesting!

Yes, here's the final question - who or what made God!

Now before you rush into saying there is no God, I've got you covered. That means that human beings created God. As can be seen in Michelangelo's famous painting "The Creation of Adam" detail here, the fingers of God and Adam are reaching out to touch each other, signifying that God gave life to Adam. But it could just as well be the other way round! Adam could have created God in his image to make sense of the world he found himself in!

The Creation of Adam, c.1510 (detail)
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The other option of course is that God does have a real existence. In this case, since God is the creator of all, no-one made God. For many believers this means that God has always existed, God is eternal, wasn't created, just is. That kind of works! Another way of looking at it is that God created God - well, probably some aspect of God was already in existence but God made Him/Herself into the creator God. I'll not get too theological here, let's just say God made God!

Who or What Made God?

God or people

Well I think there are lots of gods that people have created! There's no denying that. But I also believe in God, the creator of this world (and the next), who wasn't created by any of us.

What do you think?

Who made God?

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God created God!

mowug1776 says:

some things have happened in my life that are unexplainable except there be Providence. Also when you look at the laws of physics there is no way that you can plan away the existence of a higher power. Where he comes from and how he got here is not important. In actuality you will find that it is more important to ask who is God.

JoyfulReviewer says:

I believe that God is the Alpha and the Omega. I am not concerned as to his origin.

MCB2011 says:

God - There is no Other.

Serenia says:

Dont know - Dont really care - I certainly dot get all stressed over that either. I beleive there is a creator and we humans dont really need to know who made the creator. Some things are meant to be a mystery.

kab says:

I believe there is one god who gave us hints as to his existence. He gave hints to ALL people of the world (not just those in the Middle East). Each culture did the best they could to piece together the puzzle pieces to create a complete picture. In doing so, they created different representations for god. God knew that Jerusalem would have very little contact with Japan or Peru for many years. I hardly think he ignored them. I think the god of every religion is the same god.

Human beings created God

Tiggered says:

We do have amazing imagination, no?

OldStones says:

Human imagination

BlueStarling says:

See my answer above. :)

moonlitta says:

Human beings created an explanation of their existence- and later referred to it as God.

 
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    this was a very thought-provoking lens. I enjoyed it very much
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    Congrats on being nominated for Community Favorite Lenses of 2011. A wonderful lens. Fortunately we both share one thing it was easier to vote than for most as mine was my "why-I-am a- vegetarian was nominated as well. A proud moment for all of us. Good luck in the voting.
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