A Tale of Two Industries: Banking and Everyone Else
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A Tale of Two Industries: The City and Everyone Else
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Table of Contents: A Tale of Two Industries
- Banker Bashing
- Should We Stop Bashing the Bankers?
- Don't Just Bash The Bankers (Merryn Somerset Webb)
- When Money Dies (recommended by Warren Buffett)
- Collateralized Debt and Quantitative Easing
- Money!
- Austerity Measures (For Everyone Else)
- Austerity Measures
- Bill Bonner
- Bill Bonner: Daily Reckoning
- Useful Members of Society
- Featured Lensmaster
- Bankers
- Buy Gold Coins (Just in case The Banks Collapse Again)
- Is It Payback Time?
- Investment Authors and Books
- All About Me
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Banker Bashing
Should We Stop Bashing the Bankers?
"It is time to stop bashing the bankers," proclaimed David Cameron, the UK Prime Minister and his equally posh and privileged sidekick, George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer (i.e. UK Finance Minister) The war on Bankers and their obscene salaries and bonuses is over and they must be allowed to get on with their jobs. If I were an economist this suggestion might seem fair and sensible: Perhaps the best way out of this crisis is to allow the most profitable companies in the free market economy to make as much money as possible, thus increasing average GDP per capita faster. Except median happiness and wellbeing of the populus is not determined by mean GDP and if this were a free-market economy the banks would have all gone bankrupt when the credit crisis reared it's ugly head (taking the rest of the economy with it) and have only been enabled to continue paying ever more enormous salaries because of external support. Making the rich even richer at the expense of everyone else may increase GDP and make 1% of the population a little happier while 99% become more miserable.
Don't Just Bash The Bankers (Merryn Somerset Webb)
When Money Dies (recommended by Warren Buffett)
The Nightmare of the Weimar Hyper-Inflation
Collateralized Debt and Quantitative Easing
Collateralized Debt and Quantitative Easing
The banks collapsed, with dodgy collateralized debt on their balance sheets that, even now, hasn't been adequately stress-tested to prove the banks really are solvent and have been propped up using taxpayers' money and newly printed money (created with QE: Quantitative Easing), which was directly injected into the banks to keep them alive. The real value of money has been reduced, so everyone in the world, except those who work for financial institutions have been impoverished. The people who were most responsible for causing the problem have been rewarded massively and everyone else is worse off. This is not restricted to our own country. Most of the current unrest in the world was catalyzed by poverty caused by escalating food prices as the effective value of the dollar was pushed down by QE, while at the same time greedy soft-commodity traders in Chicago, London or wherever, are getting rich on the proceeds of their speculation on food price derivatives. Not everyone who works for a bank is evil or corrupt, far from it, but they have benefited massively from the credit crisis that a few of their colleagues helped to create. The sense of entitlement and denial of any responsibility is annoying, but the constant threats that if they aren't given their bribes they will leave the country is quite intolerable.
Money!
Austerity Measures (For Everyone Else)
Austerity Measures
In the U.K. the effects of austerity measures are just beginning to be felt, just as the banks are announcing bigger than ever pay awards and annual bonuses. The cuts are being implemented by the Conservative, Liberal Democrat coalition government (The Tories being funded more than 50% by banks) and will affect millions in the form of job-losses, effective pay cuts and welfare benefit reduction. Some of these cut are necessary and even sensible and in our current situation there would be no way to spend our way out of the problem, because the UK would lose it's AAA rating and our debt would become unaffordable. But allowing the financial services to pay their staff so much more (e.g. 50% or even 100% more since the crisis began in many cases) is completely intolerable, especially when banks are offsetting the pre credit-crunch losses against the recent QE and tax-payer assisted profits to reduce their corporation tax-bill and refusing the pay dividends to their shareholders (many of whom are pensioners) One of the arguments for letting the banks get on with their work unimpeded was that this would generate additional tax revenue and boost the economy, but if they are refusing to pay tax and stealing from pensioners, I don't see how that will work. The constant threat that the bankers will leave London if taxation is increased hangs over the heads of the government, because other industries (such as my own) have not been nurtured and have mostly been allowed to migrate to India, China and Taiwan etc. leaving the UK dependent on a small number of massively overpaid people in The City.
Bill Bonner
Bill Bonner: Daily Reckoning
Useful Members of Society
Useful Members of Society
"We're All In It Together" (Unless you work for a bank)
It was bad enough when the people who changed the way we live by designing and developing fast broadband, mobile internet, smartphones, big screen TVs and made it all affordable, were earning less than the people who charged excessive fees to manage your money (and still under-perform the market) but now, after the Credit Crunch, even the "back office" staff, who do the bankers' admin can earn more. Many of my ex-colleagues have moved abroad or are contemplating IT jobs in The City because they will earn far more. Many scientists, engineers and generally clever people I know in the U.K. are losing their jobs, having their funding cut or just not getting pay rises, as are nurses, teachers, police, soldiers and lots of other useful members of society. This really is a tale of two industries: Financial services and everyone else.
Related Article Published on Helium: Anger Over Banker Bonuses
Buy Gold Coins (Just in case The Banks Collapse Again)
Is It Payback Time?
Are You On The Side of The Bankers Or The Rest of Society

I think it is time for the banks to pay everyone back
dannystaple says:
I am not sure of the mechanism to do this, but it should perhaps use the Simultaneous Policy (SIMPOL) idea to synchronise countries so bankers cannot run away to another country, and will not be able to claim competitive disadvantages for the liberties they take.
debnet says:
Don't get me started. Having just heard about even more bonuses being paid out to bankers, my blood is boiling. I'm facing a pay cut and a cut in hours while my bills go up. So much for our society.
AndyPo says:
"We're all in it together" is the UK government's motto, but this is very obviously not true. The motto should read: "We've all been Dropped in it together by the bankers, while they (and senior management of Blue Chip companies) make money out of our misery". Maybe that's not as catchy as the original, but more accurate. I also fear hyperinflation, but also rioting in the streets and an exodus from London of ordinary, decent people who can no longer afford to live here.
TheLittleCardShop says:
The economic situation is really tough all around the world. Of course Im on the the side of the rest of the society. Great and interesting lens Andy :)
JoanneOtt says:
I think there are very tough economic times ahead. We could see hyperinflation before long.
No, they deserve to earn more than ever
KimGiancaterino says:
Big businesses are accountable to their stockholders. In my own country I don't agree with the federal government imposing caps on salaries and bonuses. There are always unintended consequences.
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dannystaple Apr 2, 2012 @ 5:37 pm | delete
- The banks have seemed to have (with a few spectacular falls) done even better from the downfall. I am not a fan of tarring a whole sector with the same brush, but there has been a feeling of banks flaunting their power while peoples own livelyhoods and wellbeing have gone up in smoke. As a software engineer, I am all too aware that I could probably make a larger wage doing the same thing for a bank, although I have the (possibly wrong) impression that it would be far less enjoyable than other development jobs. In terms of dealing with financial sector irresponsibility, I like the SIMPOL idea - where many of the developed countries politicians accept a universal policy on the situation, such that no country is disadvantaged and bankers cannot threaten to leave.
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AndyPo
Mar 26, 2011 @ 5:18 am | delete
- March For the Alternative: Jobs, Growth, Justice. Today in central London (26 March 2011) The TUC have arranged a march against the austerity measures and cuts which directly impact the poor and let the rich (especially the bankers and financial services industry who are culpable) off the hook. A lot of people are very angry about the terrible injustices that occurred in this country (and of course in most of the rest of the world) and there could be a very large turn-out. Let's just hope the protest remains peaceful and that the government takes notice of the huge majority who are upset. There may be no alternative to cuts now, but the wrong people are being punished and the few people who benefitted from the credit crunch are making more money than ever.
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AndyPo
Mar 23, 2011 @ 9:35 am | delete
- It's Budget Day and there was a little help for the people impoverished by the bankers in the form of reduced tax on petrol (although the earlier VAT increase was larger than the cancellation of further rises in tax on fuel, so this is a bit of a con) and absolutely nothing done to punish the banks for their latest unfair transfer of wealth from their shareholders - many of whom are pensioners hoping for a dividend income (and tax payers, particularly in the case of state owned banks) to their employees, despite promises to the contrary from the Conservative Liberal Coalition government.
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AndyPo
Mar 13, 2011 @ 12:53 pm | delete
- RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland), one of the banks bailed-out by British taxpayers, today had to reveal that 300 of their staff had an average remuneration above £1 million (Someone on average (median) salary e.g. a nurse or junior teacher may earn little more than £20,000) so rescuing each of those 300 people's job could have resulted in the loss of 50 or more nursing or teaching jobs! Or 15,000+ jobs lost in total. How can potentially plunging 15,000 families into poverty be justified to save the jobs of 300 already extremely wealthy people?
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KimGiancaterino Mar 11, 2011 @ 3:24 pm | delete
- I'll have to keep an eye on this lens as inflation creeps up.
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debnet
Mar 9, 2011 @ 12:16 pm | delete
- Another great lens Andy about a very volatile and current subject. Well done for raising this subject.
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AndyPo
Mar 10, 2011 @ 2:48 am | delete
- Thanks very much. I'm very sorry to hear that your working hours and pay have been hit. That is so unfair.
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AndyPo
Mar 9, 2011 @ 2:46 am | delete
- Steven Hester the CEO and various other senior executives at RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland), the state owned bank today find themselves millions of pounds better off, in bonuses and other incentives, despite the bank they work for making a loss, being rescued and now owned by us the U.K. taxpayer and despite the investment banking industry bringing the whole world economy to its knees and effectively having to be bailed-out by everyone else in the world (via Quantitive Easing, currency devaluation and increasing food and oil prices)
Last week there was similar news of multi-million pound payout for Bob Diamond, CEO of Barclays Bank. This is disgusting and immoral behaviour that is bound to incite protest, but this is actually part of a problem with the enormous payments demanded by senior executives in many Blue Chip companies. What is not being reported is the outrageous pay for everyone in the banks: back office workers with no specific qualifications or experience who do general non-banking specific office work, who could earn more than doctors, experienced senior engineers and several times as much as useful members of society such as nurses, teachers and police (Pay and job cuts were also announced for the police yesterday just to rub salt in their wounds)
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Margo_Arrowsmith
Mar 5, 2011 @ 9:05 pm | delete
- lensrolled to "MoveYourMoney.Info"
I doubt you get the Daily Show, but go on line for it. Wednesday night (I think) Jon Stewart did a but showing TeaCons, Fox people etc talking about how the teachers and janitors in Wisconsin had to make sacrifices "like everyone else", then he shows the same people talking about how the CEO's, the same ones who ran their companies into the ground, deserve to get paid more.
Like everything Stewart does, isn't funny and maddening at the same time.
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AndyPo
Mar 6, 2011 @ 4:26 pm | delete
- We do get the Daily Show here, but I must have missed that one. I shall try to find it online. Yes, Jon Stewart certainly does some excellent satire.
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JoanneOtt
Mar 5, 2011 @ 5:58 pm | delete
- I'm certainly not optimistic about the economy and what is ahead. The economic crisis in Greece and other countries is likely to spread, since almost all countries now have astronomical debt.
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AndyPo
Mar 6, 2011 @ 4:29 pm | delete
- Yes. Central banks and governments may pretend that they are fighting inflation, but with this much debt it may be the only way out and that punishes the prudent amongst us and rewards those who got us into trouble in the first place. Hyperinflation could be the end result.
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