Banning Prayer in Public School

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This is a photo of a little girl saying a prayer over her school lunch.  It was taken in 1936 when children were still allowed to say prayers in public schools in the US.  Thanks to some Supreme Court decisions in 1962 and 1963, they are no longer allowed to say prayers in public schools.  Did the Supreme Court have the Constitutional right to do that?  Why did we have prayer in public schools?  What has happened in America since prayers were taken out of the public schools?  Is it a good thing that there are no prayers in public school?
 

Why did we have prayer in public schools?

The Founders wanted it so.

John AdamsFor the answer to this question we have to go back to what the Founding Fathers were thinking when they structured the framework for this nation. They believed that a free society could not survive as a republic without a broad program of general education. The Electorate must be literate and educated.

John Adams said, "The education of all ranks of people was made the care and expense of the public, in a manner that I believe has been unknown to any other people, ancient or modern...A native of America who cannot read and write is as rare...as a comet or an earthquake...Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people...They have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied knowledge--I mean, of the characters and conduct of their rulers."

Do you begin to see where we have gone wrong? We do not really care so much about education any more. We throw a lot of money at it but we are no longer first in the world. Public education has been taken over by unions who do not have the best interest of the students at heart. They serve their own agenda. Do you know that our country had a higher percentage of literacy in the 1700s than it does today?

What did the Founders think should be taught in the schools?

Religion, Morality and Knowledge

US ConstitutionMost people today do not realize the role that religion played in the founder's plans for the first really free nation in modern times. The founding fathers planned for religion to play a big part in our country both then and now.
Have you ever heard of the Northwest Ordinance? It was very important to the founders to have religion and morality taught in the schools and this document underscores that.
Here is a quote from the Northwest Ordinance:
"Article 3: Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

They did not single out any one sect or denomination but knew that most of the major religions embraced the same tenets. This is what they wanted to be taught in the schools:
1. Religion: "fundamental system of beliefs concerning man's origin and relationship to the cosmic universe as well as his relationship to his fellowman."
2. Morality: "a standard of behavior distinguishing right from wrong."
3. Knowledge: "an intellectual awareness and understanding of established facts relating to any field of human experience or inquiry (i.e., history, geography, science, etc.)."

It was their belief that our type of government would only work with a virtuous people. They did not think that you could have morality without religion so they wanted this always to be taught. Their goal was to have public virtue. A moral and educated people is a free people. Freedom was their ultimate goal in everything they did.

The Northwest Ordinance followed the principles outlined by Thomas Jefferson in the Ordinance of 1784, and was passed by Congress in 1787. The authors of the Northwest Ordinance are thought to be Nathan Dane and Rufus King.

Let Freedom be the Mistress of Thy Heart

Prayer Banned in Public Schools

The Supreme Court overturns 170 years of settled law.

Everything changed in 1962 when the Supreme Court handed down a decision in Engel v. Vitale, and in 1963 with the Murray v. Curlett case and Abington v. Schempp. These cases struck down the practice of prayer and Bible reading in public schools. There was no legal precedent for these decisions and they spawned a whole different climate for expressions of religion in the public square. Many more lawsuits were brought to remove God from our public places. Cities and states went even farther than the federal government, some even forbidding the word "Christmas" to be used within the school house walls because it contained the word, "Christ." Overturning 170 years of settled law, the Supreme Court had re-interpreted the meaning of the phrase, "separation of church and state" and the meaning of the word, "church."

What was the intent of the Founders?

They clearly intended for religion and morality to always be taught in schools.

The Supreme CourtThe First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

What this meant to the founders was that Congress could not make a law saying that everyone must be a Catholic or a Quaker or any other religious denomination. It was to protect religion from Congress. It was never meant to keep religious expression out of public places, least of all schools.

The Supreme Court decisions of 1962 and 1963 were very wrong. This is one reason that our presidential selection is so important. The president has the power to appoint Supreme Court justices who serve life terms. These judicial activists took it into their hands to create new law which was not within their Constitutionally prescribed powers.

Supreme Court Justices should be educated in the Constitution and the intents of the founders. They take an oath to uphold the Constitution and they certainly shirked their duty in these cases. They perverted the meaning of the First Amendment.

That Supreme Court was filled with mostly politicians, not judges with Constitutional experience. The Supreme Court did not have jurisdiction over this and this ruling was unconstitutional.

What happened after Prayer and Bible Reading were banned?

The whole moral climate changed

Here is a prayer commonly used in schools up until 1962:
"Almighty God we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our Country."
What happened in the United States in the years following the banning of prayer and Bible reading from public schools?

These are just some of the statistics covering "us", the students.
*Pregnancies in Teen Aged Girls - By 1994 had gone up 400%-Highest rate of teen aged motherhood in the West.
*Sexually Transmitted Diseases - Cases of gonorrhea up almost 400% among students age 10 to 14.
*Two Thirds of teenage boys say they've had sex. By the time they are 18 they've had on average, 5 partners.
*Rapes committed by 13-14 year old boys increased 186%.

These are statistics about the parents.
*Divorce rates - up 120%
*Single parent families - up 140%

What about the teachers?
*SAT scores declined sharply
*American students often place last in international scholastic competitions
* When attention focused on teachers to find the reasons for students' failure, many teachers failed certification tests.
*Dramatic increase in school violence
*Student suicides up 253%
*Students lack basic information - poor skills - bad for the business community
*Military forced to provide remedial education for recruits

Our Country
*Between 1962 and 1993 violent crime in the US increased 660%
*Alcohol use increased dramatically
*National productivity decreased
*Drug use
*Illiteracy
*72 million adults functionally illiterate
*26 million can't read at all

The founding fathers knew that these kinds of problems are controlled by the heart. When you take religion and morality away, you have taken away the restraints and the training of the heart. The heart does not respond to laws and laws cannot stop these kinds of things. All of the groups mentioned in that prayer, the students, teachers, parents, and our country, have paid dearly since 1962.

Statistics are from America: To Pray or Not to Pray by David Barton. He drew statistics from the Department of Justice, The College Entrance Exam Board, Department of Health and Human Resources, Department of Commerce, the Census Bureau and other official sources.

America: To Pray or Not to Pray

By David Barton

America: To Pray or Not to Pray

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The statistics I have quoted are from this book. It contains many more that I did not include here.

If a Nation Expects to be Ignorant and Free

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Here is your chance to have your say about school prayer

Should we return prayer to public schools?

What about prayer and Bible reading in school?

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Prayer and Bible reading should never have been removed from public schools.

bob says:

Prayer and religion are indispensable companions of our society. We remove them, and we get what we have now. The prayer that Engel v. Vitale removed was generic, and would apply to all religions, even false religions. THE FOUNDERS DID NOT ADVOCATE FOR FREEDOM FROM RELIGION!

Oliver Bustarga says:

Its not about religion.. it is our faith in God, that is what we are exercising.. God bless you more with enough wisdom that you may understand why we should pray..

Emily says:

We NEED prayer in schools!
"Its just as hard to control ones prayer as it is to control ones thoughts."
~Annonomous

roger says:

When good is removed all that is left is evil. Remove God the devil is left. The bad things will continue to increase and blind hearts lead the way. I know people will say that is my own belief its not. God said this.

Chris Hendrix says:

It should've been left alone and we wouldn't have this much chaos in america. The supreme court twisted the constitution, like Satan twists bible scripture. It needs to stop!

Linda Love says:

I work in a city school system where I get to witness the decline of a generation daily. Praying with a child and telling them about God's purpose lets them know that there is a greater purpose for their life and they are accountable to God for their actions.

ray green says:

prayer should be returned to schools. it just shows us how the government has replaced" freedom of religion " guarenteed by the constitution. it shows how corupt this country has country everyone is more intersted in"whats new" that they have forgotten theyre heritage their religion. so in that case prayers should be back in schools.

OldLady says:

When I was in grade school, besides having prayer and Bible reading in the schools themselves, we had released time education one afternoon every week. Catholic children walked to their church, (which was just across the street) and Protestant children walked to the Baptist church for this instruction. This was in a small town, only 7-8 people in my class, but I think it was managed somehow in larger areas. I would think that similar programs could be set up today for all religions, if it were allowed. I definitely think that everyone everywhere was better off when prayer and Bible reading were allowed in schools, not financially maybe, but otherwise.
In the county I live in now, there is a program in the high school called "See you at the pole." Those involved have a plastic bracelet with that message. Those who wish to do so gather around the flagpole before school in the morning for prayer. There is also a club that meets in the afternoon some days that is for Christian students, and several other groups that stand for right living, one of which is SADD. I don't think it is just a local group, but am not sure. It stands for "Students Against Destructive something, I think. (I'm old, only my two youngest grandchildren are still in high school)--but they take part in these activities. This is an area where most of the teachers are not just Christians, but also conservatives. They do not hold with or teach the immoral socialistic things kids hear in other places, thank God!

A Lil Wacked says:

Yes. Being a Christian myself, what non-Christians don't realize is that if you remove the liberties on one, the liberties of another will also be up for grabs soon enough... Yet, todays schools are making accomodations for Moon-worshipers (muslims) People have no idea...

Laurie Haller says:

return prayer to school

It is a very good thing that we don't have prayer and Bible reading in public schools today.

PeterStreep says:

If you want to advertise religion, do so on private schools. A public school should be neutral in religions. By the way, Are you praying to God, Allah, or do you have a Buddhist ceremony ?

AbsoluteJeanius says:

Keep them out - unless there will be a rotation of EVERY religion's prayer and holy book reading on an equal basis. Public school is for EVERYbody, not just Christians. Our founding fathers valued freedom not only OF religion but FROM religion as well. All those statistics say far more about the lack of good parenting than they do about whether or not people prayed in schools. Along about the time they banned prayer, they also discontinued classes in citizenship in which students were taught how to be good citizens and family members. I think that has has just as much impact if not more than the lack of prayer, as families and churches continued praying but who taught kids about good citizenship when the schools stopped? Religion and morality are two very different things; citizenship taught students to be ethical and moral people without pushing one vision of Divinity upon them.

James says:

...Students ARE allowed to pray in school, just not during educational time. They are even allowed to have clubs devoted to it. The ignorance on this page is amazing.

VickiSims says:

There are many different religions in the US so one should not be favored or forced on everyone. A person only needs to imagine how they would feel if they or their children were forced to say a prayer from another religion in school to see how wrong it is. Christians can't even agree on one interpretation of the Bible. Religion should be taught at home and at church - not at school.

Zainab says:

no only in private schools. it might offend other people that have different religions.

*Child of God* says:

I dont believe that there should be bible study time unless it is a public school. I realize that some people dont have the money but as Mysticmama said, America is the melting pot and we do have different religions. A prayer time and bible reading time is not a bad thing to have as long as other religions are allowed. If you are any religion you should have the right to study your beliefs. Even if you dont have a religion, you need to have time to study and form your thoughts on why the other religions are wrong. Some may say I sound like an athiest but, in fact I am a Christian but, I believe in religious tolerance. What if you did not have the right to study your bible and pray to your belief of God? That is how others feel and by showing religious tolerance you are also witnessing and showing others that Christians are really caring people and not the condem you to Hell label the world has put on Christians. Once again, these are just my personal opinions.

MichaelL says:

This is too simplistic. There are numerous things contributing to moral decline. Prayer in school is the least of these. In the 1960's America, in a sense lost her innocence. The nation suffered through the Kennedy assassinations, the mess that was the Vietnam War, which brought the images of the horror of war home for the first time on nightly news casts. People began to lose faith in their elected representatives. Politics, up until this point, had been considered a noble profession. Americans had been raised to have a myopic world view. This came crashing down in the '60's and '70's.

mysticmama says:

I am totally against having "religion" in public schools... since America is the great melting pot, teaching one religion would be very biased against every other religion... I have no problem with prayer...but again prayer is a private matter between each person and their concept of a higher power.

Forcing children to pray to a "gog" or religious belief system that is different from the one being taught at home by their own family would just be wrong on so many levels. To put in perspective... how would you feel as a parent if your child was forced to pray to Buddha, Krishna, Allah or even Satan for that matter at school? You wouldn't appreciate the government or school system trying to teach your child religious or moral ideas that you don't believe in.
It is a parent's responsibility to teach their children spiritual & moral lessons...public schools need to be neutral ground where all children are welcome... We as parents cannot blame public schools for our childrens lack of spirituality or morals... if our children are not learning right from wrong, then we as parents are at fault, not the schools/

GroovyFinds says:

Prayer & faith are a personal choice. They have no business in schools unless it's a private school.

 
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Was the 1962 Supreme Court right to remove prayer from schools?

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    Edutopia Feb 14, 2012 @ 4:04 am | delete
    Government coerced religious practice has no place in America, inside our schools or out.
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    Andy Silva Jan 27, 2012 @ 5:34 am | delete
    I think that it was ban to avoid conflict of religious beliefs among the students. I don't think it will hurt anybody not to pray in school as you can do that outside of school anytime.

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    jEsChrDs82 Jan 27, 2012 @ 5:04 am | delete
    I'm a Catholic and grew up in a family that prays before every meal. I believe that it should be restore but should not be impose. We strongly teach our kids their rights as a citizen so I believe that they should have a freedom to express their religious beliefs whether in school or any other places.
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    PeterStreep Dec 21, 2011 @ 1:37 pm | delete
    Public schools should be neutral. Who are you praying for. Is it God, Allah, Buddha, Yahweh.
    Tell me what right does the head of the school have to force a religion upon somebody.
    If you do believe in a christian god, go to a christian school. if you do believe in a Islamic god, go to a Islamic school. But let there be a public school that's neutral. Keep religion private.
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    anonymous Dec 12, 2011 @ 7:41 pm | delete
    I believe that prayer should be put back in public schools because there are more kids who want prayer then don't. I think it would give the school a sense of comfort. The kids still have the opportunity to pray just not out loud. Every year a group of high schoolers get together before school and pray. However, I don't think they should force people to pray in other religions than their own. We have that freedom, so I think there should be a prayer time before school but to pray on your own, in your own religion.
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