The Bully Victim
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Today's victims of bullying are yesterday's bullies | Bully karma is victim hood and vice versa
This lens may be perceived as radical truth, or perhaps outrageous.
Outrage is perhaps good for any victim, as it brings perception past fear and into a more energetic energy field. But outrage doesn't work for a person, it works against a person's personal development and potential for success.
Perhaps this lens will shed some light on the real nature of the bully and the victim; and the cyclical nature wherein one person goes back and forth between the two personas of bully and victim, it's a pendulumistic cycle vs an occurrence of effect of cause.
When it comes to the 'which came first, the victim of the bully' question - the answer is - both.
Mean Lady pic @jenniferh20
I've Never Really Been Bullied
I have witnessed bullying behavior though, as both the victim and the bully

I remember in grade five, I confronted the kid, who for years preceding, had routinely pushed me off my bike, pulled my hair and called me names.
We met in the back forty and for a wondrous 40 seconds or so, we kicked and scratched the crap out of each other. I was never afraid of this kid and his bullying tactics - I was annoyed by the inconvenience of getting pummeled out of the seeming blue; if there was any fear in the matter, it was of being caught fighting back, getting caught in a fight, and thus being put in the same category by authority (adults, teachers etc) as the perpetrator.
Plus, deep in my heart I knew the best thing was to walk away - however, after years of walking away, when the opportunity came to confront it that day in the woods, I took it. When our parents, horrified, asked what had happened, neither of us would admit to anything. We'd settled our karma and moved on - without any outside help, or compartmentalization of which one of us was the bully, and which one was the victim.
Somehow we knew we were both simultaneously responsible for the discourse, and it was easier to keep our mouths shut vs project falsehood on the matter.
This kid never bothered me again, although his younger brother liked to rip the heads and limbs off my Barbie dolls any chance he got. Our parents were friends, so we were often together whether we wanted to be or not.
A bit more insight into the development of the discourse between myself and this other child. The kid that used to kick me and scratch me was the same kid that at the age of five, innocently showed me 'his' when I showed him 'mine' -naked together in a closet, comparing male and female genitalia.
Who knows, maybe it was unrequited love that sparked his ill treatment of me later on, perhaps he wanted to wipe the look of contempt off the face of someone he had a crush on. Somehow, I knew that I played as equal a role in the whole bullying thing as he did.
Victim Bully Karma
Bully Victims At Work
Another personal story of bully victim karma

The so-called victim at work, in this case, cost the Canadian government a lot of money in lost wages, severance pay, and company moral.
Here's how it went - the secretary of the agency brought personal issues to work and for whatever reasons, felt they should be solved there. This person was always a 'victim of this' or 'victim of that' and was continuously soliciting help from higher-ups for personal matters on company time.
I was the main target for the seeking of this assistance as I was knowledgeable on the topic she needed help with. Every day, this person would bully me with questions and requests for help with personal matters - matters that to me, were really not as big of a deal as she made them out to be.
I tried the usual protocol for dealing with this, starting with telling her that I didn't mind helping, but perhaps at lunch or after work, since her requests were taking me away from my job. This, for whatever reasons, infuriated this person as she apparently saw her situation to be more important than me getting work done.
Soon enough, she was going to other employees at the agency and telling lies about me, she refused to do the secretarial work for me that she was supposed to be doing, and continued asking me for help - these requests grew to asking me for help doing her work for the agency, and not just personal issues. She used all sorts of 'disabilities' to maintain her victim status - dyslexia, mental health, personal problems.
Pretty soon she was the center of attention in the office and it was a complete and utter mess.
She continued to bully me, now saying derogatory things to me, snarling at me when I came into work vs greeting me pleasantly, claiming I had a personal vendetta against her for not helping her with her problems on company time. I know now that it was an attempt to sabotage my employment and to bring me down - this woman was severely jealous of my position, my education and who knows what else. There was an aura of insecurity about her that brought the whole office to its knees trying to placate her.
Eventually, she was fired, and let go with a healthy severance pay. The office was in a 'secretarial shambles' in her wake. We were shocked to discover that she had been hiding documents in obscure places and watching while everyone else in the office scrambled to find what they needed.
She left the office literally screaming bloody murder about suing the agency for unlawful firing, going to labor relations, claiming she'd been bullied by everyone in the office, the whole nine. It was like being in the wake of a volcano that had erupted and burnt everything in it's radius. The rest of the office was shell-shocked.
Dealing with a bully victim in the workplace is devastating - and the ironic thing is, the bully claims to be a victim as if it's a right of passage. And, if we look at the victim perpetrator paradigm, perhaps it is - again, today's bully is yesterday's victim, and vice versa.
Victim Bully At Work Poll
Bullies At Work Books
The Bully at Work: What You Can Do to Stop the Hurt and Reclaim Your Dignity on the Job by Gary Namie, Ruth, Ph.D. Namie
<p>A landmark book that blazed light on one more...0 points
The Bully at Work: What You Can Do to Stop the Hurt and Reclaim Your Dignity on the Job by Gary Namie Ph.D.
<p>The high profile experts on workplace bul more...0 points
The Bully-Free Workplace: Stop Jerks, Weasels, and Snakes From Killing Your Organization by Gary Namie, Ruth F. Namie
At long last a guidebook for employers that discus more...0 points
When You Work for a Bully: Assessing Your Options and Taking Action by Susan Futterman
For employees who are tired of constant confrontat more...0 points
The Complete Guide to Understanding, Controlling, and Stopping Bullies & Bullying at Work: A Complete Guide for Managers, Supervisors, and Co-Workers by Margaret R Kohut
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Bullying in the workplace
Get over it!
High Conflict People
How to recognize them
"High Conflict People" in my opinion is a great way to describe "The Bully Victim" that continually uses the victim stance, based in fear, to bring about conflict in their world, project blame onto others and ease fears of taking personal responsibility.
As I mentioned in the intro, anger is a step up from fear, and healthier than fear. However, both fields of energy are still negative, and will drain the life force from everyone around them. Transcendence of the entire paradigm, via courage, is necessary to escape the pain of either being a high conflict personality, or living or working with one.
Bully & Victim
Commonalities
- Bully or Victim?
- This article describes the similarities bullies and victims share - more proof that it is a paradigm and that bullies and victims swing back and forth.
Victim Mentality Characteristics
As said above, victims and bullies share many personality traits - both are high maintenance, high conflict personality types that generally refuse to take personal responsibility for their own involvement in bringing conflict into their lives. Anger is generally a 'step up' for the fearful and thus resentful consciousness that thrives on dysfunctional social discourse.
In my description of the online bully I met below, I discuss how a person online declares themselves a victim, while at the same time, bullied and harrassed me to support their stance. When I disagreed with their stance as a victim, I became the 'target' of their bullying behaviors.
Ultimately, I had to stop speaking of their behaviors as I was only 'fueling the fire' so to speak.
Books on High Conflict People
BIFF: Quick Responses to High Conflict People, Their Hostile Emails, Personal Attacks and Social Media Meltdowns by Bill Eddy
We live in an age of rapid change and instant comm more...0 points
High Conflict People in Legal Disputes by William A. Eddy
Using over two dozen compelling case examples, the more...0 points
High Conflict People in Legal Disputes by Bill Eddy
Everybody knows someone with a High-Conflict Perso more...0 points
High Conflict People in Legal Disputes by Bill Eddy
This is an easy-to-read and practical book for leg more...0 points
BIFF: Quick Responses to High Conflict People, Their Personal Attacks and Social Media Meltdowns by Bill Eddy
This book helps you respond to High-Conflict Peopl more...0 points
The Narcissistic Mother
Negative Temperament Child
When positive parents have a negative child
Online Bullies
Solicitation for their cause

Now, to the bully victim I met online. Actually, I have met more than one online bully, simply through the content that is projected, I just haven't been sucked in as I was in this case study (why? because this case study is my karma).
Pages that claim "we're all victims" of bullying are written by bullies in disguise, if you ask me, claiming victim hood in order to continue the victim-perpetrator cycle. This is true, because I am not a victim of bullying unless I perceive it as my karma for past deeds done.
Bullies that are unaware of being perpetrators, however, want folks to share in their perceived victim hood - misery loves company, perhaps. This one bully in particular uses the word victim to hide behind, all the while behaving like a bully. I was initially pulled into the story, (why? because there was something in it for me- seemingly beneficial interaction online) and gave this person merit for their stance, gave them the benefit of the doubt (I no longer bother doing this - when I see information that blames the bully only without taking the responsibility of the victim into context, I don't bother reading as half the story is literally missing). I withdrew from participating on this person's pages, thinking that was enough to get away from them.
Seeing we'd met online, there was no opportunity to duke it out in the back forty. I received some accusatory emails and kept them for documentation, plus forwarded the info to the regulatory party for the online program we both participated in. This was all I did on the matter until I saw them outright bullying another person online.
When I saw this, I realized that indeed, the victim-perpetrator paradigm was at play (the victim-perpetrator paradigm describes how a person will go back and forth between bully and victim, using whichever side holds the most advantage at the time). I knew I was in for trouble when I called this person on being a bully, but like with the kid in grade five, I was ready to fight and take on whatever bully karma I may have vs be a victim. It didn't seem right for this person to claim to be a victim of me when in the meantime, they were harassing me with unwanted emails, comments in my guestbook, and posting articles online that painted a picture of me as a bully, or someone with a 'bad heart'.
I took this person's advice they give online in order to confront them. I confronted them, called them on their behavior, and sure enough, I became their target. This person went from person to person online, trying to solicit support against me, perhaps unaware that folks were relaying the information back to me. This person wanted support against me for calling them on their bullying behavior - which as you can see, kept the victim-perpetrator paradigm going in full swing.
Again, not giving the bully any 'fuel' is imperative, because all interaction will be used as such.
- Cutting Comments
- A telling poem that succintly describes the heart of a bully.
Books on Online Bullies
Cyber Bullying: Protecting Kids and Adults from Online Bullies by Samuel C. McQuade III, James P. Colt, Nancy Meyer
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My Secret Bully by Trudy Ludwig
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The Bully (Bluford High Series #5) (Book 5) by Anne E. Schraff
<p>Welcome to Bluford High. This widely accl more...0 points
eBully by Dave Conifer
Vice Principal Steve Lukather is desperate. Just l more...0 points
How to Handle Bullies, Teasers and Other Meanies: A Book That Takes the Nuisance Out of Name Calling and Other Nonsense by Kate Cohen-Posey
Every young person will need this book at some tim more...0 points
Gaslighting
Pulling the veil over in order to manipulate truth
Think Anger Is 'Working' For You?
"It's difficult to use revenge or animus to fuel great work"
~Seth Godin
Victim Bully Online Poll
How to confront a verbal threat
Richard Gannon
Excellent video on drawing clear boundaries with someone who is verbally threatening, and how to know when it's time to strike pre-emptively, or defend. Richard Grannon describes well how altercations can occur (ie, a car accident that triggers road rage) and how to avoid, if possible, being either the victim or the perpetrator. If it's not avoidable, Richard goes into how to use pre-emptive strike and self defense measures.
Reader Suggestions for Dealing With Victim Perpetrator Paradigm
Othercat: "One more way to stop thinking of yourself as a victim is to turn it around and think of it a whole new way. Think about all the time and effort this bully puts into trying to make you miserable. The only time they even enter your thoughts is immediately after they bully you. But they plot and plan and think about you all the time. For anyone to spend that much time thinking about you, well, that must make you a pretty special person."
- False Prophets Online
- If a webmaster's level of consciousness is at that of the bully victim, there webpages will not have much truth to them.
Rising Above Becoming A Bully Victim
Lenses about having been bullied, but refusing to become a victim
And more importantly, refusing to become a bully. Do you have a lens about how you personally transcended the karma of being bullied, and didn't become either a victim or a bully as a response? Do you use trauma aka bad karma to rise up and become a better person? The key is transcending the entire victim perpetrator paradigm altogether.
Prayers for my enemies: Prayers for those who have harmed me
Prayers for my enemies is about forgiveness and re more...1 point
Haters are my Motivators!-A little bit about myself...
Every single human being on earth has at least one more...0 points
Bully Victim Links
Literature that supports bullies as victims and vise versa
- Bully Victim - A Shifting Paradigm
- Article on bullying that includes shared bully and victim characteristics
More Bullying Literature on eBay
Levels of Consciousness
The victim perpetrator paradigm calibrates on the map of consciousness at 130. Courage, or truth, calibrates at 200. To transcend the victim perpetrator paradigm, one's level of consciousness needs to take a leap of courage to tell the truth, and accept personal responsibility for involvement in this paradigm.
Squid Angel Blessings
Many thanks
Have you come across a bully victim online?
How did you deal with being targeted by them? HTML enabled
This lens is my answer to being targeted, ongoing, by a "high conflict" victim bully type mentality online. I know from experience that to name names will label me as both the victim and the bully - I'll be called a bully by the real bully, and a victim by society- I'd rather avoid both labels, because I don't consider myself either. If you recognize the look on this face, you'll know the type of personality type I'm talking about - the kind who thinks it's ok to project this snarl of condescension, that somehow, it's their right to look down on another. I found this picture by doing a search on photobucket for "mean lady" - in my mind, folks projecting this type of look onto the world are bullying everyone in their view. No matter how beautiful one may be on the outside, this look is repelling. It's refreshing though, to be able to write this out- my way of setting a clear boundary and saying, as Richard Grannon describes in the video above, STOP - do NOT come any closer.
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CMWilliams
May 18, 2012 @ 11:53 pm | delete
- This is an amazing lens. So much useful information here. Very well done.
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Psycho_Free_Zone
Jan 6, 2012 @ 8:39 pm | delete
- Excellent lens!
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AnimalHouse
Nov 24, 2011 @ 3:29 pm | delete
- I hate bullies, I want to bite them in their ankles.
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Ruthi
Nov 21, 2011 @ 7:43 am | delete
- Here to thank you for the link to Cutting Comments as part of your explanation of the bully - victim cycle.
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JJNW
Nov 1, 2011 @ 1:22 am | delete
- Interesting take. Do you think this is sort of an ongoing passive-aggressive behavior in some people?
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darciefrench
Nov 1, 2011 @ 1:40 am | delete
- Yes, that would be another good way to put it. Underlying passivity (victim stance in this example) is rage about being a victim - this fuels aggression/bullying behaviors in the victim, who then acts out this rage as a perpetrator in another circumstance.
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MiddleSister
Oct 22, 2011 @ 7:06 pm | delete
- Calling the behavior what it is makes it harder for the bully to continue. That's for sure. On a different note, I don't think everyone who's bullied is a provocative victim, but that whole, weird provocative victim thing is awful.
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jwncoexists
Jul 19, 2011 @ 10:07 pm | delete
- Very interesting insights into bullying. I guess victims and bullies are kind of like two different sides of the same coin. Thanks for for the stimulating thoughts!
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darciefrench
Aug 23, 2011 @ 8:51 pm | delete
- That's a great analogy - many thanks for posting your comments :)
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SocialpathFree
Jul 16, 2011 @ 10:55 pm | delete
- Bullying can take so many forms. One of my pet peeves is online bullying. Thanks for talking about all of its insidious forms.
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