Learn More About The Hobby Of Collecting Vinyl Records
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Top Ten Most Valuable Records
Collectors Search For These Everyday!
After searching the Internet for the world's Top Ten Most Valuable Vinyl Records, one can be sure that the lists can be subjective, vary from country to country and will fluctuate over time. For instance, the copy of John Lennon & Yoko Ono "Double Fantasy" LP, the one that he signed for Mark David Chapman just a few hours before he was shot to death, is at the top of a common list. However, the record remains unsold, so the asking price may not be exactly what the record is worth. With the recent death of Michael Jackson, copies of "Thriller" were selling at more than three times what the record price guides listed and Jackson's rare vinyl has also skyrocketed. Although the prices for his more common records will even out, one can assume his rare vinyl will remain at high prices.In all actuality, a record is worth what someone will pay for it; which is true of most collectibles. Many variables will effect the price, such as demand, the death of an artist, the condition of the vinyl itself, just to name a few. However, in the case of vinyl records, there are some recording artists that always show up on the 'top ten' lists, including the Beatles and the Sex Pistols. My guess is that there will always be a demand for the Fab Four and the Sex Pistols, hence the prices for their records and the rare ones will always be on the high end of any list. Also, the lists include acetates, which are another rare form of a record release.
Now, chances are slim that you will find one of these rare records at a flea market or garage sale, but as all vinyl record collectors know, it is the hunt that is one of the most satisfying elements of the hobby.
If we take a look at the three lists below we see that the early Beatles work done as the Quarrymen show up on both the Wikipedia list and the list from the Telegraph in the UK. Also, the Beatles show up as the one that command the most money at www.popsike.com (according to their database).
Most Valuable Records Lists
The following list is an attempt to list some of the most valuable recordings. Data is sourced from Record Collector magazine, eBay, Popsike, Good Rockin' Tonight and other sources.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_collecting
1) John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Double Fantasy (Geffen US Album, 1980) Note: Autographed by Lennon five hours before Mark David Chapman assassinated him. Value: $525,000
2) The Quarrymen - "That'll Be the Day"/"In Spite Of All The Danger" (UK 78 RPM, Acetate in plain sleeve, 1958) Note: Only one copy made. Value: $180,000
3) The Beatles - Yesterday and Today (Capitol, US Album in 'butcher' sleeve, 1966) Value: $38,500, though more typically prices range from $150-$7500
4) Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan (CBS, US album, stereo 1963 featuring 4 tracks deleted from subsequent releases) Value: $35,000
5) Long Cleve Reed & Little Harvey Hull - "Original Stack O'Lee Blues" (Black Patti, US 78 RPM in plain sleeve, 1927) Value: $30,000
6) Frank Wilson - "Do I Love You?" (Tamla Motown, US 7" 45 RPM in plain sleeve, 1965) Value: $30,000
7) Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground and Nico (US Album Acetate, in plain sleeve, 1966 with alternate versions of tracks from official release) Value: estimate $25,200.
8) Elvis Presley - Stay Away, Joe (US, RCA Victor UNRM-9408, 1967) Note: One side promotional album.
9) The Five Sharps - "Stormy Weather" (US, Jubilee 5104, 78 RPM, 1953) Value: $25,000
10) The Hornets - "I Can't Believe" (US, States 127, 78 RPM, 1953) Value: $25,000
Here is a list from the UK (note they do list several acetates, which are different from vinyl, these are very rare indeed!) and the two lists certainly are different and the estimates of worth vary.
Source: www.telegraph.co.uk
1. THE QUARRYMEN: That'll Be The Day/ In Spite Of All The Danger (1958): £100,000 ($165,000)
2. SEX PISTOLS: God Save The Queen (1977) Value: £7,000 ($11,500)
3. SEX PISTOLS: Anarchy In The UK (1976) Value: £6,000 (double-sided acetate) ($9,900)
4. QUEEN: Bohemian Rhapsody (1978) Value: £5,000 ($8,250)
5. JOHN'S CHILDREN: Midsummer's Night Scene (1967) Value: £4,000 ($6,600)
6. TOBY TYLER: The Road I'm On (Gloria) (1964) Value: £3,000 (acetate) ($4,950)
7. DAVID BOWIE: Space Oddity (1969) Value: £3,000 ($4,950)
8 JOHN LENNON WITH THE PLASTIC ONO BAND: You Know My Name (Look Up The Number) (1969) Value: £3,000 ($4,950)
9. XTC: Science Friction (1977) Value: £2,500 ($4,125)
10. JACKIE LEE COCHRAN: Ruby Pearl (1957) Value: £2,500 ($4,125)
Now let's explore the Top Ten Vinyl Records that have been documented as sold by www.popsike.com, (although this does not include private sales between record collectors).
Source: www.popsike.com
1. Beatles - White Album UK 1968 Mono LP Cover No.0000005 2008-11-23 ($31,700)
2. VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO 1966 Acetate LP ANDY WARHOL 2006-12-21 ($25,200)
3. SEX PISTOLS - God Save the Queen - GENUINE A&M AMS7284! 2006-03-02 ($20,900)
4. SEX PISTOLS God Save The Queen PUNK PRE A&M 2006-04-02 ($17,750)
5. SEX PISTOLS - God Save the Queen - GENUINE A&M AMS7284! 2006-06-30 ($16,500)
6. THE ROLLING STONES US 7" ST FIGHTING MAN PICTURE SLEEVE 2007-04-24 ($15,200)
7. SCARCE Northern Soul 45 Junior McCants KING RARE PROMO 2008-10-05 ($15,099)
8. Sex Pistols- Jamie Reid Complete Set LTD Edition Signed 2007-12-12 ($15,000)
9. THE MISFITS- PLAN 9 1009- HORROR BUSINESS ULTRA RARE 2008-01-26 ($14,301)
10. PINK FLOYD Meddle BLUE VINYL Colombia ULTRA RARE UNSEEN 2009-01-17 ($12,000)
This article was written in August of 2009, please take that into account, some of the prices may have changed as well as the overall top ten lists from the respective sites.
Author Robert Benson writes about rock/pop music, vinyl record collecting and operates www.collectingvinylrecords.com, where you can pick up a copy of his FREE ebook called "The Fascinating Hobby Of Vinyl Record Collecting." You can also have your vinyl records appraised at www.vinylrecordappraisals.com.
Putting A Value On Vinyl Records
There are many variables to consider when appraising vinyl records
One element of the ever changing music industry is that the sale of vinyl records has increased and that these audio treasures are still in demand. In our age of digital products and downloads, there are still millions who prefer the sound and experience of vinyl records. In this article, let's explore how a person can ascertain just how much a particular record is worth and vinyl record appraising.There are many factors and variables that come into play in vinyl record appraisals, whether buying or selling records. The 'grading' of a record is very subjective and because no two people grade the record the same, many problems arise when reselling new and used vinyl.
The value of a record is, and this is putting it in a very simplistic way, is what a person is willing to pay another person or business for the record. But there are many other variables that must be considered to put a value on a record, let's look at them:
There is a common misconception that because a record is old, that it is valuable. On the contrary, some records that are just a few months old have more value than some that are 50 years old. And, while it is true that some bands and artists are more sought after and command a better resale price, the condition of the record is paramount, whether the record is a week old or seventy years old; age is not a determining factor, but condition is.
There are several different methods of grading records and unfortunately there is no 'standard' that everyone uses. But let's look at one of the more widely accepted grading methods, which is in the "Rockin' Records" price guide, written by the genre's leading authority; Jerry Osborne. In this method, the record are given a certain 'grade' as to their condition, here are the grades:
Mint (M)- an absolutely perfect record in every way-to allow for a tiny blemish or flaw, this record would be considered Near Mint, which is the highest grade used the in the Osborne record price guides and what the prices in the record guides reflect.
Very Good (VG) - records in this condition should have a minimum of visual or audio imperfections that do not detract from your enjoyment and listening pleasure. You may see a plus or minus after this grade.
Good (G) - From a practical standpoint, this grade may mean the record is a good enough copy to fill a gap in your collection until you can secure a better copy. This record will show obvious signs of wear and tear and play all the way through without skipping.
Osborne explains what you can expect using the following formula. For very good condition, the record is worth 25-50% of the Near Mint price listed in his guides. For Good, figure 10-25% of the near mint price given in his guides. Another common mistake is that people take the price in the guides, grade the record and then do not 'downgrade' for the flaws and condition issues.
Another confusing aspect to this method is that some records might be listed as VG + or VG- or VG++ or NM-. But, what exactly is the person grading the record mean with these notations? Is it for the record, the sleeve, the LP jacket or the record itself? You can see why this way of grading can be very confusing to someone just starting a record collection.
Osborne also suggests a ten point grading scale and some feel that this system allows for a more precise description of the record than the mint, very good, good scale. Here is the scale:
10-Mint
9- Near Mint
8- better than VG but below NM
7- VG
6- better than Good but below VG
5- Good
4- better than Poor but below Good
3- Poor
2 and 1- why bother adding these to a collection?
I prefer the ten point scale, as it eliminates some of the confusion and provides a better description than VG_ or VG++ or G-. One important factor that Osborne stresses is to be honest about the condition and grade, meaning apply the same standard to the record you want to buy or sell as you would want the seller or buyer to give. But, and this goes along with Osborne's recommendation, is a TRUST factor. You must assume and trust that the person giving the grade to the record is honest and will be held accountable for the grade.
But just because a record is visually acceptable may not mean it plays that way, so one must take that into consideration as well. So if you are buying a record you may also ask if it plays the grade that it was given. A long time ago, these two went together, but it seems that we have gotten away from this.
Another element in the grading process, and I have seen this done several ways, is the condition of the LP jacket, picture sleeve, inserts and liner notes. Some sellers may give you two ratings, one for the record and one for the other elements. There are some very valuable album covers and picture sleeves (from 45 rpm records) and these must also be accounted for in the selling price or the value of a vinyl record.
As you can see, this is a 'gray area' when buying and selling vinyl and one that is very subjective. Condition is the most important factor when buying and selling vinyl and when buying records you must be able to find a trustworthy seller and ascertain which method they are using to grade what they have for sale. And, as previously stated, the record price guides lists the prices for records in near mint condition, so that must be taken into account. Obviously, this all can be a bit confusing for a beginner, but a little common sense and education can help any buyer in their quest to add to their collection.
Let's explore some other common factors that are involved in ascertaining the value of a vinyl record:
Scarcity
Many, many millions of vinyl records are in circulation, with almost every household in the US, either having some vinyl records at one time or another. We even had a vinyl record 'boon' from around 1955-1980. But, how many of those records are still around and more importantly, what condition are they in?
For instance, rhythm and blues records from the 1950's suffered from poor promotion and publicity, therefore there were fewer of these that were pressed. The record companies that produced these particular records were small and lacked the resources that the larger record companies enjoyed, some may have been limited to only one or two thousand being pressed, On the other hand, the Beatles records were massed produced and they benefited from much larger pressings and are a fairly common record (depending on the label) and some are not worth as much as one might think. This brings us to another element-demand.
Demand
Like any other commodity, vinyl records are subject to the old supply and demand adage that is prevalent in any free market society. Record values were affected by the Internet age, especially with the many online auction sites. Records that were thought to be rare and valuable suddenly came out of the closets and basements and were put up for sale and brought some prices down. But, that has evened out at this time and the record guides and prices reflect that. If there is a demand for a certain genre or artist, chances are the price will go up, more people want these type of record and there is more competition for them. For instance, the music genre called Northern Soul (commonly known as Motown) enjoyed resurgence in sales in the past few years, driving up the prices. Conversely, there is not a lot of demand for classical music (in fact, there aren't even any price guides for this genre of music); therefore you cannot expect to get much for the records.
History
This element of putting a value on a vinyl record goes hand in hand with the relative scarcity of the record. Many special musical genres in recorded music often command a higher price because of their place in music history. For instance, the early roots of country music from the early 1930s and 1940's, early jazz recordings, the rock and roll 'infancy' recordings (including rockabilly, rhythm and blues, the 'girl' groups of the 60's, ) are often highly sought after and therefore of more value. Some early Motown, psychedelic music, surf music, garage band rock and doo wop often command a higher price because these are records that have a prominent historical value in recorded sound.
Artist or Group
Obviously there are some musical icons that sell better than others and are in command. Early Elvis records, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix just to name a few all command top dollar because there is always a demand for these records. But that is not to say that some obscure bands or artists are precluded from being valuable, on the contrary, there may be an artist that you have never heard of and the record may be selling for thousands of dollars.
LP Jacket, Inserts, Picture Sleeves
When issued, some records came with an added incentive and that is also collected and can add value to a record. LP's came with fantastic artwork, inner sleeves with liner notes, lyrics, posters, cut out and all these elements are included when establishing a resale price. Again, the condition of these 'extras' must be taken into account when ascertaining the value of the record. 45rpm records came with picture sleeves and some of them are even more valuable than the record that they may hold.
The Year of Release
First pressings may be of more value than a reissue of the same record ten years later. For instance, a Beatles record that was released in 1965 is of more value to a collector than a reissue that was released in 1980.
The Record Label
Some record labels are also more collectible than others. Old R & B or jazz on the record label Bluenote is generally worth more than if the same music and artist are released on another label. Another example is Beatles' records released on the Capitol record label as opposed to the Vee Jay label.
There are many other elements and as you can see, it can be confusing.
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Learn More About Vinyl and Some Sites of Interest
Web Sites of Interest
Learn more about vinyl records and I'd love to hear of some sites that you have found. I have included sites about turntables, popular bands, recent auction prices for records (popsike.com), some sites that sell vinyl, lp to cd products, appraisal services ("Mighty John Marshall"), album cover art, vinyl forums, documenting your collection (Kix Software), vinyl v.s. cd and the compression of music. If you ever wanted to learn about vinyl records, these sites will teach you!
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