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This page is a scrap! A scrap of things that you may find interesting or not.

This is an inquiring article about you and the change that you can bring in the world. This article doesn't give answers, but rather asks you to ask yourself.

This page is about the only power we have to change our world, and that power is us!

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If you say: "yeah, sure, another hocus pocus, abracadbra about changing the world", I'll say: "you are probably right!"

Abstract 

For you to understand me better, I want you to know that I am NOT a philosopher, nor a psychologist, not mere a sociologist. I don't consider myself a member of a particular church (though I was born into one), but I'm not an atheist in the sense of not believing in a deity. I am not a follower of any doctrine of whatsoever and I don't belong in any political party.


"Who are you then?", you may ask. Well, first of all... I Am A Man! A simple man, with its own life, friends, hobbies, with its own joys and sorrows. Second, I am a curious person by nature, observing my own thoughts and actions, the people around with whom I relate or not, and the world that surrounds me. And questioning everything. That's it! That's all! Very simple, don't you think?


Now why do I think you are right if you think this article is nonsense, an unuseful thing, just a "bla bla bla"? Because it may well be that. If you, who is reading this, think of it that way, then it is! As simple as that! That is a consequence of your own thought and I cannot do anything to stop that, nor do I want to stop it. The opposite is also valid. The thing is - I don't want any consideration from you, but only to draw your attention. I say this with no sense of irony, although it may seem that way. I say this with real, undisguised intention. That is what I want to do, make you attentive, observant, if you allow it. If you do not and you stay here just because this text intrigues you, then what will follow will be boring and a waste of time.

J. Krishnamurti

"The whole history of mankind is in us."

About J. Krishnamurti 


Jiddu Krishnamurti came from a family of Telugu-speaking Brahmins. His father, Narianiah Jiddu, was employed as an official of the then colonial British administration. Krishnamurti was very fond of his mother, Sanjeevamma, who died when he was ten. His parents were second cousins, having a total of eleven children, only six of whom survived childhood. They were strict vegetarians, and were known to throw away any food that the "shadow of an Englishman had crossed". He was born on May 11, 1895 (May 11 according to the Brahminical calendar), in the small town of Madanapalle in Chittoor District in Andhra Pradesh, about 150 miles (250 km) west of Madras (now Chennai). As the eighth child, who happened to be a boy, he was, in accordance with common Hindu practice, named after Sri Krishna.

In 1903, the family settled in Cudappah, where Krishnamurti during a previous stay had contracted malaria, a disease with which he would suffer recurrent bouts over many years. He was a sensitive and sickly child; "vague and dreamy", he was often taken to be mentally retarded, and was beaten regularly at school by his teachers and at home by his father. Several decades later, Krishnamurti reminisced about his state of mind during childhood: "No thought entered his mind. He was watching and listening and nothing else. Thought with its associations never arose. There was no image-making. He often attempted to think but no thought would come."

It was in April 1909, a few months after the last move, that Krishnamurti first met C.W. Leadbeater, who claimed clairvoyance. During his forays to the Theosophical estate's beach at the nearby Adyar river, Leadbeater had noticed Krishnamurti (who also frequented the beach with others), and was amazed by the "most wonderful aura he had ever seen, without a particle of selfishness in it". This strong impression was notwithstanding Krishnamurti's outward appearance, which, according to eyewitnesses,was pretty common, unimpressive, and unkempt. The boy was also considered "particularly dim-witted"; he often had "a vacant expression" that "gave him an almost moronic look". Leadbeater remained "unshaken" that the boy would become "a great teacher".

The Theosophical Leadership in 1911 established a new organization called the Order of the Star in the East, in order to prepare the world for the aforementioned "coming". Krishnamurti was named as its head, with senior Theosophists in various positions. Membership was open to anybody who accepted the doctrine of the coming of the World Teacher. Controversy erupted soon after, both within the Theosophical Society and without, in Hindu circles and the Indian press.


It was in Ojai, in August 1922, that Krishnamurti went through an intense, "life-changing" experience. It has been simultaneously, and invariably, characterised as a spiritual awakening, a psychological transformation, and a physical conditioning. Krishnamurti and those around him would refer to it as "the process", and it continued, at very frequent intervals and varying forms of intensity, until his death. According to witnesses, it started on the 17th, with Krishnamurti complaining of extraordinary pain at the nape of his neck, and a hard, ball-like swelling. Over the next couple of days, the symptoms worsened, with increasing pain, extreme physical discomfort and sensitivity, total loss of appetite and occasional delirious ramblings. Then, he seemed to lapse into unconsciousness; actually, he recounted that he was very much aware of his surroundings and while in that state, he had an experience of mystical union. The following day the symptoms, and the experience, intensified, climaxing with a sense of "immense peace". "...I was supremely happy, for I had seen. Nothing could ever be the same. I have drunk at the clear and pure waters and my thirst was appeased. ...I have seen the Light. I have touched compassion which heals all sorrow and suffering; it is not for myself, but for the world. ...Love in all its glory has intoxicated my heart; my heart can never be closed. I have drunk at the fountain of Joy and eternal Beauty. I am God-intoxicated."


The unexpected death of his brother Nitya on November 11, 1925 at age 27 from tuberculosis after a long history with the disease, fundamentally shook Krishnamurti's belief in Theosophy and his faith in the leaders of the Theosophical Society. According to eyewitness accounts, the news "...broke him down completely". He struggled for days to overcome his sorrow, eventually "...going through an inner revolution, finding new strength". The experience of his brother's death apparently shattered any remaining illusions, and things would never be the same again: "...An old dream is dead and a new one is being born, as a flower that pushes through the solid earth. A new vision is coming into being and a greater consciousness is being unfolded. ...A new strength, born of suffering, is pulsating in the veins and a new sympathy and understanding is being born of past suffering - a greater desire to see others suffer less, and, if they must suffer, to see that they bear it nobly and come out of it without too many scars. I have wept, but I do not want others to weep; but if they do, I know what it means."


In the next few years Krishnamurti's new vision and consciousness continued to develop and reached a climax in 1929, when he rebuffed attempts by Leadbeater and Besant to continue with the Order of the Star. Krishnamurti dissolved the Order at the annual Star Camp at Ommen, the Netherlands, on August 3rd, 1929 where, in front of Annie Besant and several thousand members, he gave a speech saying among other things: "You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street, when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket. The friend said to the devil, 'What did that man pick up?' 'He picked up a piece of thetruth,' said the devil. 'That is a very bad business for you, then,' said his friend. 'Oh, not at all,' the devil replied, 'I am going to help him organize it.'

I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path." "This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies."

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Simone de Beauvoir

"Change your life today. Don't gamble on the future, act now, without delay."

How does a man change the world? 

Can we do that? I mean, can we really change the world? Or rather I would ask if we want to change the world? Which is more difficult to answer? Think of that!



And how can we change this vast, diverse and troubled world that is around us? The actions and attitude of one towards that would be sufficient, or the effort of many? Think of that too!



What does change mean after all? A poor reconfiguration of the current state of affairs, or something completely new?


And do we really need to change the world? Just think of that!

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Isaac Asimov

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

Do we really need to change the world? 

No matter what you believe in, one thing is for certain: humanity is old! People, since immemorial times, have lived here with there joys, there sorrows, there indisputable quest for growth and knowledge. And we, as civilization, we have developed for hundreds and thousands of years, mostly technological. We have invented new ways to control the surrounding environment, new ways to dress ourselves, new ways to overcome greater distances, new and improved ways to produce all sort of things, even new ways to believe in a deity. Haven't we forgotten something?...



Is there no conflict? Are there no crimes, no wars, no unnatural and ugly images of poverty? How is it that man fights against man? Everything is so childish! For hundreds and thousands of years we are the same! Sadly, our minds are still primitive. Are you being attentive? If so, ask yourself about all of these...

Change the world (DEBATE) 

Do we really need to change the world?

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YES, I think the world needs a radical change and that change can start with me.

skiesgreen says:

yes, definitely and it should start with overturning religious nonsense that is killing us

NO, the world doesn't need any change, it's all a big fuss.

 

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Buddha said

"We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world."

"With our thoughts we make the world" 

That is what Buddha said! And I think he was right! The first and most important consequence of our thought(s) is the world itself. Thought created the world and still does. We have an idea, we put it into practice and thus we modify, constantly, the world that surrounds us. It is no big mystery, it's just too old to be taken into consideration, into observation.

The only problem is that we are always changing the outside (/ outwardly), but never the inside. We may think we change inwardly but the truth is that when the time comes, the whole real substance of ourselves comes alive. Then we can see nothing has really changed, essentially. Let's say for example that you decide to stop violence, and help the people around you in any way you can, then one day, somebody hurts someone very very close to you. What would you do then? Nothing...? I very much doubt that!

The one way in which we can understand the world and change it absolutely, is to change ourselves completely, with no turning back. Can you see that?

Thought (DEBATE) 

That seems a rather odd question, doesn't it? What is thought...? Is thought only the process of the brain? Is thought experience? Is thought imagination, knowledge? Can we associate thought with intelligence? As you see it...

What is thought?

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The complex process of the brain.

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Thought is philosophy and on the whole its nothing but our imagination. That where all beliefs and actions come from except for sustainability.

Ener-G says:

Most thoughts are the brain's interpretation of sensory information that is coming in, stimulating neuron transmitters and pathways and being interpreted in the brain's interpretation centers in a "relevant" package.

An intelligence capacity.

 

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"Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny."

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WAYNE W. DYER, PH.D., is an internationally renowned author and speaker in the field of self-development. He's the author of over 30 books, has created many audio programs and videos, and has appeared on thousands of television and radio shows.

His books Manifest Your Destiny, Wisdom of the Ages, There's a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem, and the New York Times bestsellers 10 Secrets for Success and Inner Peace, The Power of Intention, Inspiration, Change Your Thoughts-Change Your Life, and now Excuses Begone have all been featured as National Public Television specials.

Dyer holds a Doctorate in Educational Counseling from Wayne State University and was an associate professor at St. John's University in New York.

Dr. Wayne Dyer is affectionately called the "father of motivation" by his fans. Despite his childhood spent in orphanages and foster homes, Dr. Dyer has overcome many obstacles to make his dreams come true. Today he spends much of his time showing others how to do the same.

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