Creationism or Evolution?
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Evolution vs Creationism or both? What Do You Think?
There has long been a contrived tsunami of evolution teaching in our government schools trying to wash away the belief in the existence of God and creation. This lens compares the two and includes valuable resources links to enable the serious student of science and religion to have the needed ammo during this flood.Please feel free to voice your opinion here. As they say, we can disagree without being disagreeable!
The theme to the reader is that it is OK to believe in God!
Who Are Those Who Say - There Is No God?
There are two classes of individuals who in fact do not believe in the certainty of God. First, those who are secret/quiet atheists; they do not want to be a part of an defense for or against any doctrine. They do not want to be counted; they just want to be left alone! The other class proclaims, "There is no God, and you can't prove one!" Well, I am not proving God here. Here I only relate how I know there is a God.
I also invite you to read my hub on hubpages.com - : How I know There Is A God!
Contents at a Glance
What is Creationism?

Creationism is the belief that the earth and universe and the various kinds of animals and plants was created by God or some other supreme being. Those that hold the views of Creationism are referred to as Creationists. Within creationism in the Abrahamic religions, there are various ideas. In regards to those religions, one form of creationism holds that the earth is approximately 6,000 years old and is referred to as Young Earth Creationism. The other form of creationism is called Old Earth Creationism and holds that the earth and universe are billions of years old. Creationist scientists believe that the first law of thermodynamics and second law of thermodynamics argue against an eternal universe and they also claim that these laws point to the universe being supernaturally created. Dr. Norman Geisler stated that "Both young- and old-earthers believe that God supernaturally, directly and immediately produced every kind of animal and human as separate and genetically distinct forms of life." Dr. Norman Geisler also wrote that "both young- and old-earthers who are evangelical hold to the historicity of the Genesis account: They believe that Adam and Eve were literal people, the progenitors of the entire human race." Creation scientists assert that the theory of evolution is in conflict with the evidence provided by the physical sciences and often cite secular scientific sources which agree with them on various points (for further details please see: theory of evolution).
Those who hold to young earth creationism point out that nearly every culture in the world has a creation story and a flood story. Many of these creation accounts and flood accounts have commonalities with the account given in the book of Genesis although gross differences exist also. The Institute for Creation Research has taken the position that the similarities in regards to creation accounts to the Genesis account demonstrates that the main points of the Genesis account has been preserved. In regards to the assertion that the similarities in flood stories around the world show common origin, young earth creationist particularly assert that there are strong similarities between the Genesis flood account and other world flood accounts. Also, there are remarkable similarities between Native American creation myths and the biblical account given in Genesis concerning creation. ( taken from CONSERVAPEDIA.COM)
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The History of Evolution Links and Resources

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History of Evolution - Library
library.thinkquest.org/C004367/eh.shtml
The History of Evolution section examines the history of evolutionary theory, from the first vague hints of progressive change in Greek philosophy to the fusion of ...
Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
Evolution Entrance
www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evolution.html
Excellent evolution resource provided by the University of California. Also includes an interesting account of Darwin's evolutionary antecendants.
History of Evolution [Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy]
www.iep.utm.edu/evolutio/
Apr 14, 2001 - History of Evolution. Charles Darwin. The word "evolution" in its broadest sense refers to change or growth that occurs in a particular order.
History of Evolution - Creation Science
www.bestbiblescience.org/hsdrwl.htm
History of Evolution. Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace. Known around the world is the name of Charles Darwin and his history changing book "On the ...
Understanding Evolution: History, Theory, Evidence, and Implictions
rationalrevolution.net/articles/understanding_evolution.htm
Mar 5, 2006 - In fact, evolutionary concepts about life date far back into history and arose in many different cultures. The Greeks developed a concept of ...
evolution: History of Evolutionary Theory - Infoplease.com
www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0858059.html
History of Evolutionary Theory. Early Theories. Evolutionary concepts appeared in some early Greek writings, e.g., in the works of Thales, Empedocles, ...
A History of Evolutionary Spirituality - andrewcohen.org
www.andrewcohen.org/teachings/history-evolutionary-spirituality.asp
Provides a history of evolutionary spirituality, with quotes from pioneering thinkers including Ken Wilber, Sri Aurobindo, Teilhard de Chardin, Barbara Marx ...
Are You A Believer Or An Unbeliever In Evolution?
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I Went From a Believer to an Unbeliever ... in Evolution
By Robin Calamaio
Evolution and Biblical Creationism are both faith-based systems. For me, a day came when it was easier to believe the Bible's creation account than to believe the theory of evolution. A critical factor to my unbelief lies in evolution's propensity to abandon its own faith principles when dealing with basic physical science. While I believe all longevity models, and their accompanying evolutionary theories, have many glaring problems, here are five massive ones. There are more.
1. Matter is Eternal
Evolutionists believe everything comes from something - until everything is traced back to the first thing. "Matter," saith the Evolutionist, "is eternal." By halting their quest for origins at some incredibly dense blot of matter, they not only make a faith declaration, but also a stunning reversal in their science. This "blot" is the lone exception to material science - that all material has a precursor.
Biblical Creationists believe there was a time matter did not exist. God spoke it into existence - out of nothing. "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone ..." (Isa 44:24). "All things" include matter. "By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared (formed) by the word (rhema) of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible" (Heb 11:3). "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen 1:1). God is eternal - not matter. The faith of the Biblical Creationist simply takes one step past where the faith of the Evolutionist halts. The Creationist's faith is based upon Bible assertions while the Evolutionist's faith rests on a necessary violation of a basic tenet of their naturalistic system.
Neither choice yields to logic. For anything (or Anyone) to just be there - is beyond comprehension. But to embrace inorganic material as eternal is not as threatening as the faith of the Biblical Creationist. That faith espouses a living, moral Being who knows everything (Isa 40:13,14,28), sees everything (Pr 15:3), and is a God "who cannot lie"(Tit 1:2). "Before Me, there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me .... I am God. Even from eternity, I am He .... I am the first and the last, and there is no God besides Me" (Isa 43:10b,12b, 13a.).
2. Spontaneous Generation
Before considering the origin of life, we must take a moment to discuss the existence of our inorganic environment that supports life. This planet's position in space and its chemical constitution is absolutely astounding. While there is some tolerance for life to exist in varied chemical and environmental conditions, the windows are extremely narrow. For example, the earth's distance from the right kind of sun is absolutely critical. And just a bit of an elliptical orbit would still preclude any life. At one point of the ellipse, the water planet would be the boiling-water planet. Then, a few months later, it would be the block-of-ice planet. And this favorable orbit needed to be in place for what - the last billion years or so? Then, consider our atmosphere. It's density, composition, and temperature nurtures life - while many of our neighboring planets are surrounded by a toxic brew. Our skies even protect us from a life-giving sun that also produces lethal radiation. Now, at the surface of the earth, other physical requisites must be present for life to arise. For example, some creatures can live in salt water, but once the salt reaches a certain level, life ceases. Witness, the Dead Sea. But all this is just the start of the inorganic story. All the correct elements had to be here, too. If only metals were here, this would still be an inorganic world. The physical requisite for an environment to be capable of birthing life is astonishing. The point? To believe this physical environment "just happened" takes a great faith. Indeed, that belief requires a greater amount of faith than the Biblical Creationist needs for attributing this environment to the activity of God. That is much easier to believe. But let's grant that out of billions of stars our planet did randomly arise. Now comes the back breaker. How did inorganic elements give rise to living organisms? No element even hints at possessing any of the stuff we call, "life." Carbon is not alive. Iron is not alive. Calcium is not alive. Arsenic is not alive. Lead is not alive. None of the other 23 elements which compose us are alive. In fact, you can't even say they are dead. They are inorganic. Life is absolutely absent from each and every element in the known universe. The importance and gravity of this problem cannot be overemphasized. So, herein lies the real problem for the Evolutionist. They have always been, and are quite consistent in their assertion, that life does not spontaneously arise. All living things came from previous life forms. They consistently profess this belief for each present day life form as they trace each one back a billion years - until they come face to face with the first living "thing." It is at this critical moment, the moment of truth on the origin of life, the Evolutionist makes another stunning reversal - and spontaneous generation is embraced! And this is the lone exception to an otherwise universal rule! "Life," saith the Evolutionist, "spontaneously arose from nonliving matter - but only with that first living thing." Mother earth takes on a literal meaning. And, to add insult to injury, these new births must also have a fully operational reproductive system!
To believe matter is eternal, and a Big Bang randomly created our inorganic ecosystem, and inorganics spontaneously gave birth to living matter, and those organics were birthed with a fully operational reproductive system (that could also accommodate modest positive changes so evolution actually occurs) - well, no religion requires a faith as massive. With a faith this immense I think Evolutionists can believe anything they want to believe - especially when they are so willing to abandon their science to hold to their faith!
The faith of the Biblical Creationist is steadfastly consistent with itself, with no reversals to this point. God is eternal, He made matter, and He created an inorganic system capable of sustaining life. He then infused life into a collection of inorganic materials - even though the elements that make up the living organic mass are still inorganic in themselves.
3. A Hostile System of Degeneration
How does life form in a system that is so hostile to it? Even now, inorganic forces are constantly attacking the fragile life on the supporting skin on this globe. Heat, cold, fire, floods - given enough time, some inorganic force will overcome each life-form - unless it is first eaten by another life-form! But even developed inorganics have "a life-span" - like our sun. Its "life" peaks as degeneration is king. But against all odds, the Evolutionist believes life (though still without adequate origins explanation) arose. Life swims upstream against a hostile environment, and "wins" for an exceedingly short season before being reclaimed by inorganics. The propensity of the observable universe argues against such an occurrence. Even in our current, relatively benevolent-to-life environment on earth, we find no pockets of spontaneous generation as the environment is still very hostile to life. But at least, on this point, Evolutionists have not made some kind of reversal in their science or principle. Their problem is that everything in their sciences speak against such a possibility.
On the other hand, the Creation Account in Genesis says life was created in a totally benevolent-to-life environment. Life was fully here, and formed, before degeneracy (and death) entered the picture. It was imposed upon a benevolent creation and pulls life down. As a man of little faith, this is easier for me to believe.
Let's now look at some of the life on our planet. I will wave two more red flags - but each of these flags have hundreds ... no, thousands ... no, millions of attendant red flags. In fact, the world may not have enough red cloth available to make all the needed flags.
4. Metamorphosis
A basic evolutionary principle is that species progression occurs by incremental change through profitable mutation. Let's visit my garden in early June.
On my tomato plant we find two caterpillars. They are slow moving, pudgy, little creatures. Their main defense is a very good camouflage and, except for the demolition of my tomato plant, they are harmless. When plucked from the plant, they roll up into a little ball - as if that could really help them. Once they rightly determine I'm not going to eat them, they unroll and start moving their multitudinous stubby little legs in a synchronized wave as they search for home. If we leave them for a day and come back - it is amazing how they have grown! They are obviously very successful creatures! They have secured a very lucrative ecological niche and act, and
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JustOneGuy Feb 27, 2012 @ 10:28 pm | delete
- Uh, have any of you considered the possibility that the correct answer is not creationism or evolution or a combination of them? I can think of at least one other possibility which is not listed in your options in the previous section. Both Creationism and Evolution have logical problems. Just because you can't imagine a third or fourth possibility, doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. What if the double helix is that shape because of an unknown electrical property of matter? Perhaps it isn't just a coincidence that a twisted pair of wires carries an electrical current more efficiently that two wires side by side. What if every object with persistence (meaning, it maintains its structure over time) has an electrical "signature" that we cannot measure yet? What if the spiral helix of dna behaves like an antenna and is affected by the objects around it? What if life is not an accident and not designed but is simply a product of properties of matter and is forced into existence when the conditions are just right. To presume there are only two possibilities is, well, presumtuous. That makes the entire argument kind of silly, don't you think? Some day perhaps we'll actually know one way or the other or even another.
Other than that, nice lens. :)
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GodlessHeathen
Feb 26, 2012 @ 4:44 pm | delete
- I am one of those that says "there is no god"...I also believe this to be true about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well...
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ChrisDay
Feb 6, 2011 @ 12:40 am | delete
- Good lens and contentious issue. I say we're here and let's get on with it. Evolution theory does not yet explain everything but nor does creation theory. I do not see why the two theories are mutually exclusive.
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natureplanet
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- nice lens
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Amitabh1702 Mar 26, 2009 @ 10:11 pm | delete
- I have featured your lens in my lens here => The Blind Watch Maker - Book Review
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Let your voice be heard on Creationism Vs. Evolution
Do you believe in creationism?

Yes - definitely
Grateful says:
Absolutely- exactly as the Bible describes it. The fossil record is far more convincing of creationism, as Darwin, himself, said - "If there are not millions of intermediary forms in the fossil record, then my therory is seriously flawed." He admitted this before he died, but you never hear of it. At least he was an honest scientist!
s says:
One way to make this go away is to take away the tax exexmpt status of religion. I'm convinced that if no money were to be made, a lot of organized religion would go away. Religious belief is what kept the dark ages going, we don't need another dark age where knowledge is given to you by religion. It's really interesting that people beleive in Genesis but won't beleive in Global warming.
natureplanet says:
Just look at the complexity of even the most simple lifeforms. The cell isn't just a small jelly filled bag!! It contains the most sophisticated mechanisms with seriously complex processes.
Even the smallest insects are complex in their design.
Evolution just ignores all these hugely complex designs and says 'over time....'. But how many billions of years do they want?
However many they pick then why are all the animals and birds etc all finished articles? Where are the changes that natural selection should be making? Why are there no incomplete changes? For example wings but no brain functions or nerves to control the wings?
There should be animals with useless appendages unless natural selection had an intelligence behind it so that only useful changes took place! Wings could only develop if their purpose was flight!
There is so much wrong with natural selection as a random process which has no idea of the outcome of the changes taking place until they are completed!
But most of all it is the complexity of even the simplest life forms which shows the presence of design!.
Mia says:
kylyssa, incase you dont know, evolution and creationism ARE compatible, but there is a difference between macro evolution (one species evolves into another) and micro evolution (a species evolves within its self)
macro evolution is false. micro evolution is not.
Mia says:
to the people who say "you cant prove there is a God" i say, "can you prove there ISNT a God?"
No Way
GodlessHeathen says:
I believe in common sense, therefore I reject theism for all it's nonsense...
Bobby says:
Evolution rules-- I agree with William completely
Tim says:
It's not a question of belief. No evidence for creationism and a boatload of evidence pointing away from it means that I am nowhere close to accepting creationism,
WilliamJS says:
here is a very very in depth explanation as to why creationism is impossible.. You will need to pay attention because it's very detailed.. Dry read? yes, but not avoidable.
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EXISTENCE:
Contrary to belief, existence can not be constructed or created simply because it would be impossible for something to preexist existence in order to create it. This means that existence exists simply because non-existence can not be a person, place, or thing of existence! -1 Dimensional plane, -1 energy can not exist! All things rely on the need of a preexisting reality to which they themselves are comprised of. Hence, all things must have containment. Here, existence is the universal set of all sets, and anything else in or of existence is made from the substance of existence!
This means that "Nothing" really isn't literally nothing! Confusing right? Well let me explain to you what nothing really is! Nothing is Zero, zero energy, and zero dimensional. This is true to exist because 0 is can be a thing itself!.. This is where Zero is both 0 and 1 at the same time. Zero only means that there is nothing else in existence, and 1 means that it's the one thing of existence! Hence, there are no other 1's but itself!. If you add 0,1 to 0,1 you get 0,2 to where you have an increase in complexity.. If you looked at this on an energy scale you would be seeing this an increase in energy or dimensional complexity.. This is how you go from 0D-4D. So all nothing is, is a NO-THing! It's the base to all existence!
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INFORMATION:
Information is any sensory input or output! All mass, matter, and energy is information! This includes the sum total of existence and any place or reality! Hence, all things can speak in at least 1 direction regardless if it has intelligence, awareness, or a self consciousness or not!
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UNDERSTANDING INFORMATION FORMATION:
We human beings seem unable understand information formation because we think information has to be the result of processing by something with intelligence... Since our brains are developed to process information, it can not quantify in many cases the idea of information developing it's own structures and meanings through the combining, or the merging of other pieces of information in a process called formation.. A cause and effect process vs a calculated intelligent process.. We also seem to fail to understand that anything or place of existence, or anything in or of existence could be considered a form of information, or a source of information.. All places and things of existence have information to offer! Thus all things can be considered pieces of information themselves in a representative or interactive sense. Hence, information isn't just merely a concept of data or mathematics! Information is matter, mass, color, energy, or simply existence or place of existence... ALL THINGS OUTPUT information and are at least 1 directional in the flow of information. Color is two directional, and humans are conscious 2 directional communicative organisms.
1 Directional example:
A rock still puts out information of what it is! A rock can tell you anything you want to know about it so long as you are capable of perceiving it, collecting it, processing it, and observing it! Hence the rock has an output of information! Your senses are mere insterments of translation to give interpretation of the information it recieves from a source of output!
2 Directional example:
Color can be a single color, or it can merge with another color to produce a different color.. Same goes with any kind of color pattern.. Color is two directional because it can exchange information with itself and output that in an infinite number of patterns. Thus, color or energy can be considered 2 directional.
Compiled example:
The only difference between you and that rock is that you can calculate, process, apply, and observe other pieces of information in more than 1 direction. This means that you are a complex structure of 1 and 2 directional substances.
Thus, all minds regardless of level of divinity can not create reality or existence simply because they can not create information! Hence, no mind can create the first piece of information because all minds are slave to the need of a collection of information to even know that they exist themselves.. This means that one can not know how to create knowledge because intelligence is only the ability to apply knowledge! This is where Intelligence requires a base of inquiry (that can not be created) to do anything at all! This means you can not make a choice or decision without the preexisting knowledge of what those choices and decisions are to be based upon!. You could not be consciouse, self-aware, or even have a self identity without first a base of inquiry to support it. This means all minds are complex structures of information capable of processing other pieces of information! This can be found in both modern computers and quantum computers! This means that no single piece of information can be self-aware and shows that all minds are subject to infinite regress! knowledge alone proves evolution.
Self organization (non-living matter evolves):
PRIONS! We can prove evolution in non-living molecules as We can in living molecules. Prions are non-living molecules that can evolve and adapt to their environment. Jupiter, Fla discovered that these Prions can develop many different kinds of mutations that help prions develop defenses to withstand against threats. Even viruses that are considered non-living but active matter, can also evolve. However, viruses have a commonality with life known as DNA, and pinions do not. Prions consist of proteins that are composed of amino acids. The mutations are different folding arrangements of the protein molecules that achieve different characteristics much like that of DNA.. These foldings play an evolutionary role in prions. This follows the same premise behind the driving force commonly found in cases of co-evolution and mutualism. Sorry but Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest isn't the only driving force behind evolution. The fact that non-life or non-living active matter evolves, also means that life evolves. Evolutions is proven by co-evolution, mutualism, and simple observations of existing wild life. This shows the deeper communicative connection between living active matter, non-living active matter, and inactive matter.
http://www.mad-cow.org/prion_evol.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coevolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_%28biology%29
Furthermore, we can get even deeper into evolution by linking plant and animal into one little critter known as the Green Sea Slug. Here we can observe an example of the deeper communicative process of evolution!. The Green Sea slug can actually steal photosynthesizing organelles and genes from algae. This little slug can produce it's own chlorophyll.
http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/solarpowered_green_sea_slug_steals_ability_to_photosynthesis.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer
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QUANTUM CONSCIOUSNESS AND EXISTENCE:
Here we will look at Infinite Regress in regards to Consciousness and our very own existence.. I came across the question about the origins of consciousness by someone looking to see if there is a scientific explanation to consciousness.
SO!, here is the very question asked:
I guess from the beginning I was curious about self-awareness and if there's any scientific explanation for it. I feel like it points to something peculiar and insightful that shouldn't be ignored. So since science is always claiming to be the only place we can find "real" answers, I was curious what science has to say...
** First the Videos: I strongly suggest you watch these before you continue!
PRIME MATTER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXRSHkO05bk&feature=player_embedded
QUANTUM ELECTRODYNAMIC PHYSICS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8R4Tz_vKEE&feature=player_embedded
QUANTUM CONSCIOUSNESS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqJOIQWkfWA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQYPSD6t6c&feature=player_embedded
VIDEO Q&A:
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What part of the video even talks about an explanation for the origins of consciousness? I kinda lost my ability to pay attention when it talked about "wishing" for more 1s that a machine would produce more 1s....did they even mention the name of the experiment so that people can research it themselves? All I caught is that it had been performed 100s of times with the same results; the same can be said of poorly run experiments which 'prove' prayer works.
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The origins of consciousness relies on certain parts of the mind, and It's a proven medical fact that consciousness can not be viable if certain parts of the mind are removed from the big picture. Thus under full sedation, no consciousness is possible. In this regard we all lose our ability to perceive a reality. The videos address this in terms of quantum physics, mechanics and quantum computation! The coin toss you are referring to only represents probability, this is because there is no such thing as an actual random number! There is only the probability of any given number to be selected. Quantum Electrodynamics shows the differences between cause and effect and calculated processes on a quantum level.This is where Cause and effect still achieves a result, and still achieves levels of higher complexity without calculation because it self osculates at Zero. It's stating that consciousness must first be formed through a cause and effect process that leads to a level of complexity capable of processing other bits of information in order to become an observer of a preexisting reality from which itself is comprised of. This is similar to the notion that you can not have a 3D object until such object is formed into existence through the 0D,1D, and 2Dimensional planes of existence.. Hence, all things start from Zero or 0,1 as discussed above! This means a higher consciousness can not preexist a lover level of consciousness! Hence, a higher level of energy can not create a zero level of energy when it's self relies on all the levels of energy below itself just so itself can exist! This means that divinity is an evolutionary process!!
Example:
A 100 story building's 100th floor can not stand 100 stories in the air on it's own without the 99 other floors below it to support it! Divinity is actually a scale of evolution and is not possible to preexist at it's highest level!.
An example of a quantum interaction or process that leads to a 3D reality is a formulated Idea of a car based on various bits of preexisting information to which then leads to a design on paper, and then leads to the production of said car by the use of preexisting material or substance. Here, any number of probabilities can occur or be processed that can effect the outcome or result. These Choices or decisions can not be made without first have knowledge or information on the background of any given set of choices, or decisions. This leads to the probability of one choice being selected over another based on further information that gives one choice more weight than the other. This is basically how quantum computation works starting at Zero. And IBM has already proven this with the 4 atom quantum computer comprised of non-living matter. In fact artificial consciousness is likely possible sometime in the FAR off future. Likely more than a few thousand years giving the rate of technological growth.
Video Reply:
R:
No. Forgive me if I assume it is nonsense. Whenever the word "quantum" comes up, it is invariably nonsense.
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Quantum Electrodynamic Physics, quantum computation, and quantum mechanics proves otherwise. Again IBM has already created a 4 atom quantum computer, and thus this can no longer be considered nonsense. And IBM is now in the process of creating an 8 atom quantum computer. Quantum computing gives seed to the processing ability of "probabilities, and possibilities" vs conventional computation based on switches like 0's and 1's.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qubit It's already proven scientifically. This is true even if quantum mechanics and computation is not yet fully understood. Quantum Physics is also still in it's infancy, so giving a 1,000 years of so humans could start to see some pretty amazing stuff that would have made people less than century ago worship them as a GODS!
So here is the reason why magnetism and electricity were unified and found to be two different versions of the same thing. By using quantum physics ;) But lets move on to infinite regress.
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INFINITE REGRESS:
The evidence that we can look at in simple terms is the evidence that a Consciousness can not be the creator, or can not be the source origin of consciousness. Basically, a consciousness can not create consciousness itself! If you try and state that it can, you are simply stating reverse creationism, but still admitting that consciousness has a process to it's formation from unconsciousness. Thus. consciousness has an origin from unconsciousness that is subject to infinite regress. This is stating that consciousness is comprised of subsets, or levels of complexity that it depends on in order to be a set itself. Thus in stating that a higher level conscious being had created consciousness, you are thus trying to claim reverse creationism is possible. You would then be trying to claim that consciousness preexisted itself in order to create itself. This is logically impossible.
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CONSCIOUS EVOLUTION:
From unawareness to complete consciousness can be found at all levels in life. In knowing this, we can conclude the total process of regression from consciousness to unconsciousness, and we can also conclude the progression of consciousness from unconsciousness. This means there is a point of Zero complexity from which consciousness must evolve from!
Example in question form:
when does a developing unborn child develop a consciousness?
Now since we can establish the existence of various levels of consciousness, we can then conclude that consciousness is absolute evidence of the process of evolution by A cause and effect process that leads to a calculated process that can, but not always lead to higher levels of conscious complexity.
from the above we get :
unawareness (in active matter.), to simple awareness (bacteria or active matter), to complex awareness (instinct) , to a higher complexity level of awareness (simple consciousness (dolphin), to a complete self awareness (human beings). You can correlate this to levels of divinity if you want to.. To me when someone states that they believe in a God, all they are saying is that they believe in a being of a higher level of conscious complexity. This can be modeled in Divinity to where the higher in the level of divinity you go, the more complex each level of divinity becomes. But by no means are any of these the "Creator", or the universal set to existence or consciousness. This is simply because they all rely on the need to be comprised of the lower subsets to be a set themselves.. Hence, humans are closer to the origin of consciousness than a higher being of consciousness..
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REVERSE CREATIONISM:
Many religious people seem to actually believe in reverse creationism, and that is also the basic premise behind creationism! It's simply backwards logic because Level 99 can't create level zero! But we can all agree that there has to be something that has always existed, or a point of origin. However, it must be a universal set that can solve infinite regress. And thus far only a no-thing (0,1) can do this!
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SOLVING INFINITE REGRESS:
And Quantum Electrodynamic Physics points in this very direction to where -1 dimensional/energy existence = impossible. Thus, infinite regress is solved by a 0dimensional loop to where there is no outside to existence. You can represent infinite containment with two loops that make no out side of existence possible by a progressive and regressive flow of energy. You can label these as formation and decay...
Formation = the base of existence known as Zero (a no-thing), or the 0dimensional plane to where -1D is impossible and can only lead back to 0D, and 1D. .0,1 = a no-thing. Thus dimensional representation of formation is represented as an increase of dimensional complexity... 0D -> 1D-> 2D-> 3D-> 4D-> XD
Decay = the opposite end of the loop to where all things regress back to 0, or dimensional complexity. When you add this to the above formula of formation, you can then see a continuous progressive and regressive flow of energy. This represents the other side of existence to where there is no outside of existence. By adding the two models together, the complete model of infinite containment looks like this :
0D -> 1D-> 2D-> 3D-> 4D-> XD -> 4D-> 3D-> 2D-> 1D-> 0D
I can also represent this model in the real world to show infinite containment. Between every number there can be an infinite number of numbers. you can take 1,2,3 for example and get :
1.33333-> to 2.3333-> to 3.33333-> X.xxxx
this is where the main number represents a dimensional plane ) of existence (1D, 2D, 3D, 4D), and any number in between these dimensional planes of existence (.33333) represents any thing in each dimensional plane that are comprised of, or are in all the other dimensions combined. This can represent complete infinite containment to where no exit is plausible, and non-existence is impossible. It's fits the notion of an eternal element without creation.. A true universal set of all sets without contradiction... This is irregardless if the Universe is a spherical, or a flat universe. This would make the edges finite.So i will now put this into a model the correlates to "TIME" so we can understand how time actually works according to existence as a whole.
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HOW TIME WORKS:
A time model of existence that directly correlates the two models of a flat universe, and a spherical universe described above.
1) DIMENSIONAL TIME (this co-exists with space-time, and dictates traditional time)
Existence is timeless in regards to traditional time, and this is under the notion that non-existence is impossible to be a person place or thing of existence. So you can assume "no-time" applies to existence at the point of Origin, or at the point of Zero (0 dimensional). This means anything of higher complexity than zero = the future, or a process of progression to higher complexity based on the sequencing and structuring of the universal substance known as a no-thing (0,1). Here zero = no time, and 1 = the eternal element not bound to time. Hence, a 3D object can not exist without the 0 dimensional plane of existence! This means that a 3D object is an object in the future that progresses from Zero time (Zero Dimensional) to 3 dimensional time!
2) traditional time:
This only applies with any sort of significance to something within process. Such as an awareness, the four seasons, memory, or a clock. This also means that all mass matter and energy above the complexity level of Zero is in process or is subject to decay back to zero!
3) Space time:
This is based around the Law of relativity! This is how we got the mars rovers to Mars ;) it is the 4th Dimension. This can also effect traditional time but it can not lead to a reversal of traditional time.
TIME CONCLUSION:
*Part 1:
Dimensional time is time that loops/cycles vs going ever backwards! This is where traditional time has no major significance to existence as a whole. So all that traditional time is, is a measurement system much like that of a ruler to measure how long a process remains in process. It only has a significance when it's applied to understanding of the length of time between the starting and ending points of any given process in process. If there is no starting or ending point to said process, traditional time becomes irrelevant. Thus Zero is not bound to Traditional time.
*Part 2:
Dimensional time and space time together equal actual time. formation to decay and back again can be considered actual progression and regression of time. Thus to increase in dimensional complexity is to move forward in time, and to Decay in dimensional complexity is to move backwards in time. So the state at which something exists is representative of the time frame to which it exists in. The O Dimensional plane represents "Zero time" , this is to which a beginning begins and an end ends. So if existence is a progressive and regressive flow of time there is no going back forever in time to revisit a moment of history.. Things get cycled like the surface of the Earth. Thus The dimensional time model looks like this:
0D -> 1D -> 2D-> 3D-> 4D -> XD -> 4D-> 3D-> 2D -> 1D-> 0D
So this means everything eventually decays dimensionally back to 0D where it becomes borrowed energy to be used for the creation of a new. And this is how Quantum Electrodynamics works!.. Hence, back to 0,1 (no-thing). So a Looping or Cycling dimensional time model looks like this:
0D -> 1D -> 2D-> 3D-> 4D -> XD -> 4D-> 3D-> 2D -> 1D-> 0D -> 1D -> 2D-> 3D-> 4D -> XD -> 4D-> 3D-> 2D -> 1D-> 0D -> 1D -> 2D-> 3D-> 4D -> XD -> 4D-> 3D-> 2D -> 1D-> 0D -> infinity
*Part 3:
So can the past forever go back in time? Only in memory, or if the past is forever recorded and not forgotten.But, this wouldn't mean that you can literally ever go back in time! Hence, duplication is required to keep a process in process! And this is why life must replicate itself. This is DT's correlation to traditional time. So eventually all traces of the past decay back to 0T/0D, especially since exact duplication decays over time and transforms into something else. Hence, no story will ever remain the same, no pattern will ever retain its pattern... Thus traditional time is subject to dimensional time decay, and can only be averted by exact duplication. This is where duplication will only pro-long it's eventual decay. Hence, you can only sustain a process in a dimensional limbo by duplication. And this is why living organisms must reproduce in order to stay in process.
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MENTAL PROCESS Q&A:
"To the contrary, matter can never create information. This is a fundamental law just as valid as the laws of thermodynamics. Information can only arise from a non-material mental process."
This is false! Matter is information, and it is also false to state that information can only arise from a non-material mental process. All mental processes are due to observation of a reality. Color is a prime example of information that can form any pattern of color without mental processing. Color is a material informational process! This means all forms of awareness and consciousness must rely on a preexisting reality in order to exist or even be aware. This means that information preexists consciousness and all forms of consciousness rely on said preexisting information to obtain consciousness.. Hence, all an observer is, is a collection of information that can process other preexisting pieces of information including it's self.. Hence, information is merely mass, matter, and energy.. Thus all you are doing is organizing information into interpretation that allows the ability to apply representation to whatever it is that you are observing.
Consciousness can be Quantified by Quantum Mechanics, computation, and quantum physics. You simply can't have consciousness before existence, or before the formation of the informational base of inquiry that would complex enough to support Consciousness.. This means pieces of information existed before self-awareness has ever existed! And that is simply provable due to the fact that self-awareness is reliant on information to be self-aware! So what created the information to support a self-awareness?
Prions Show exactly how information is organized by self-organization without self-awareness or consciousness or even without being alive!.. A cause and effect process is still a process to where 1 path or result can lead to higher complexities capable of reacting to stimuli and reorganizing to protect itself.. This is how your immune system works as well!
It takes far more cause to support consciousness than it does to support existence or something of lesser complexity such as unconsciousness! This means that no mind can be a universal set to existence because itself is comprised of various subsets of existence and information to which it relies on to be a set itself! This is why self-awareness and self identity is always on a need to know basis!
CONCLUSION:
There is no such thing as consciousness without cause!
Kylyssa says:
What does evolution have to do with whether or not there is a God? Science isn't an attack on religion, it's just the study of the natural world. Doesn't it seem like hysteria to think that scientific explanations of the natural world pose some kind of threat to belief in God when the vast majority of Christians and other theists have no issue with science?
Why do you think it's impossible that your God made the universe logically using discoverable methods? Why assume God would just do things with "magic" rather than by creating intricate and logical physical laws and circumstances.
Being afraid of science taught in public schools causing children to stop believing in God is on par with being afraid auto repair taught in public schools will cause children to stop believing in God - the two are unrelated. Belief in God is in no way incompatible with acceptance of a logical natural world.
I suggest you check out my lens, What Evolution Isn't at http://www.squidoo.com/What-Evolution-Isn-t to learn about evolution and to perhaps see that belief in God and belief that science has value is not incompatible.
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