Creationism VS Evolution
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See No Evil, Speak No Evil, Hear No Evil - Part 1
The three wise monkeys first appeared in the Koshin religion - a Japanese Taoist sect - several hundred years ago but are now common throughout the East.
They transcend their animal limitations by quite clearly proclaiming a high moral code that most humans can only attempt to live up to:
"See no evil
Speak no evil
Hear no evil"
What?
Monkeys as moral arbiters?
What would Jesus say?
Well, from my perspective, Jesus would probably have seen them as a very clever metaphor and integrated them into his teachings, as he appears to have done with Buddhist stories, sayings and miracles that predate Christian teachings by some 500 years...
Image Source: The Three Wise Monkeys
Jesus And Buddha: The Parallel Sayings
Jesus and Buddha: The Parallel Sayings
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"500 years and 3000 miles apart - compatible side by side [with] amazingly similar sayings [such as']:
'Do to others as you would have them do to you', attributed to Jesus &
'Consider others as yourself', attributed to Buddha.
Amazon reviewer A. Moore
"Here are some of the parallels [of Jesus & Buddha] in this book:
They both supposedly walked on water
There was an earthquake at both of their deaths...
...Both fought a devil before their ministry began
They both taught to not seek treasure in this world...
...They both supposedly walked through walls
Both had disciples leave because the path was too hard
Common people thought both of them spoke like no-one else ever had
Both were believed to be celibate...
...Both taught to love your neighbor as yourself."
Top 500 Amazon reviewer Steven Burns
["Jesus and Buddha: The Parallel Sayings'] side-by-side quotes often achieve a greater depth of significance than they tend to on their own and I feel a growing sense of the Universality of the basic tenets of both traditions...
...I find the book well-conceived, lucid, approachable and beautifully designed, too"
Amazon reviewer J. V. Lewis
Table of Contents
- See No Evil, Speak No Evil, Hear No Evil - Part 2
- Creationism VS Evolution: A Comparative Study Of The Creation Story From The Book Of Genesis
- An Introduction To Charles Darwin
- Evolution Has Been An Accepted Part Of Everyday Life For 50 Years
- Duel: Creationism or Evolution
- Evaluating The Genesis Creation Story: A Personal Opinion - Part 2
- Links Relevant To The Creationism -v- Evolution Debate
- Deep Ancestry: Inside The Genographic Project
- Evaluating The Genesis Creation Story: A Personal Opinion - Part 3
- Got Any More Comments For The Creationism -v- Evolution Debate?
See No Evil, Speak No Evil, Hear No Evil - Part 2
What the hell? I didn't come from no monkey!
As an enthusiastic student of the major religions, I look upon all of their - what are commonly referred to as - Creation myths with a certain ambivalence - not skepticism. I search for what they have in common with each other, rather than how they conflict - that's why, in a similar way, I have no problem with the many similarities between the stories of Buddhism & Christianity.
So, from my perspective, what we have in the Creationism -v- Evolution debate is the same Creation myth, told about two different Gods.
The God of Creationism is a can-do God, Jehovah. He's a bit like Donald Trump on The Apprentice, proud and ruthless. His believers claim that He created the world in 7 days.
The God of Evolution is cross between a mad scientist and a ditherer, who I refer to as the Great Sage Darwin. His believers claim that He created our world in 4.5 billion years.
To be candid, though, all the glory doesn't belong to him. The Great Sage Darwin has a wife, Mother Nature, who is every bit as proud and ruthless as Jehovah and is the real star of the show. However, She cleverly stays in the background, happy for our silly, patriarchal society to portray Her as "loving".
And the monkey?
Well, I'll get to him later!
Creationism VS Evolution: A Comparative Study Of The Creation Story From The Book Of Genesis
Creationism as looked at by a sympathetic proponent of Evolution
GENESIS: DAY 1
On the first day, Jehovah is said to have created the Heavens & the Earth.
Genesis states that "Earth was formless and empty", that there was no light and all that existed were "waters"...
While the universe is thought to be 14 billion years old, Great Sage Darwinists essentially believe that Genesis Day 1 is a reasonably accurate approximation of what conditions on Earth were like at its creation, 4.5 billion years ago.
GENESIS: DAY 2
Also on the first day, Jehovah is said to have created light - resulting in night & day.
Then on the second day, Genesis states that He created the sky.
This corresponds with the settling of particulate matter (enabling light to appear) and the eventual creation of an atmosphere conducive to Life, starting about 4 billion years ago.
GENESIS: DAY 3
On the third day, Genesis states that Jehovah created land and all sorts of vegetation, including seed-bearing plants and fruit-bearing trees that (we can deduce) Man would subsequently be able to eat.
With the first rocks dated at 4 billion years old and the first vegetation appearing about 500 million years ago, in the Paleozoic era, Great Sage Darwin is still in considerable concord with Jehovah at this stage.
GENESIS: DAY 4
On the fourth day, Genesis states that Jehovah created the Sun, the Moon and the stars - all to provide Man with light for the Earth.
Disaster! Great Sage Darwinists believe that, while the moon is only 400 million years old, the stars and the sun were created up to10 billion years before Day 1 of Genesis.
GENESIS: DAY 5
On the fifth day, Genesis states that Jehovah created "the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it".
Then He created the birds in air.
Great Sage Darwinists see this as a continuation of the Paleozoic era (500 - 250 million years ago), moving into the Mesozoic era (250 - 65 million years ago) and partially into the Paleogene era (65 - 23 million years ago).
GENESIS: DAY 6
Essentially, on the sixth day, Jehovah created reptiles and mammals, including livestock and dangerous animals.
This corresponds with the rest of the Paleogene era and then the Neogene era (23 - 2.5 million years ago).
GENESIS: DAY 7
And on the seventh day, God created Man, so that he could rule over all Nature. Genesis 2 goes on to describe that process: "Then Jehovah formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man's nostrils and the man became a living person [i.e. Adam]".
Then Jehovah created the Garden of Eden for Adam and his mate-to-be, Eve, who He created by getting Adam "to fall into a deep sleep. While the man slept, Jehovah took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the opening.
Then Jehovah made a woman from the rib."
Simply by elimination, the creation of Man is therefore placed by Genesis in the Pleistocene era, which is precisely when Evolutionary scientists believe that Man first appeared.
Further, as The Daily Mail reported in December 2010, Evolutionary scientists believe that they may have discovered the oldest known human remains - two teeth - in Israel.
Interestingly, they were found in an area that is perhaps only 1000 miles from where Scientists believe to be the location of the Garden of Eden - as described in Genesis.
Evaluating The Genesis Creation Story: A Personal Opinion - Part 1
Yes, there are anomalies, like reptiles seeming to only appear with Man on the seventh day but in the scheme of Creation myths, Genesis scores very well.
However, given the advances in Carbon Dating, Archaeology, Genetics and DNA research - which we accept almost without fail in all areas other than religion - it's obvious that Genesis has both serious (e.g. Day 4, which is billions of years out) and minor flaws (such as the complete lack of comment on life forms such microbes, bacteria and dinosaurs) that don't tally with what we can almost be certain is true.
Consequently, it's fairly clear that Genesis wasn't "delivered" by a Divine, infallible source at all but was, instead, written by astute Jewish nomads, several thousand years ago.
Nevertheless, that deduction certainly doesn't verify Evolution in terms of the famous "missing link" - it merely means that the collected body of modern Science has, increasingly - with billions of dollars behind it - got the chronology of the Earth's creation mapped out!
I shall be returning to Evaluating Genesis: A Personal Opinion but first, there's an important detour that I must make...
“So, who is this dumb-ass no-good-nik,
Mr. Chucky Darwin,
who said my gran'-pappy was a monkey?”
An Introduction To Charles Darwin
the man who gave the world to the theory of Evolution
Even in his own time, the English naturalist and gentleman scientist, Charles Darwin, received scathing criticism for the ramifications of his ground-breaking study, On The Origin Of The Species.
Very briefly, Darwin's On The Origin Of Species By Means Of Natural Selection, Or The Preservation Of Favored Races In The Struggle For Life, details his findings and deductions from a 5 year field trip on the H.M.S. Beagle that went from London to Brazil, then to the Falkland Islands, around Tierra Del Fuego, up the South American coast to Chile, across to the Galapagos Islands, followed by Australia, Mauritius and South Africa.
However, it was in the Galapagos Islands that he made his most startling observations, where he observed that mockingbirds on adjoining islands, while similar, had adapted to different environmental pressures, to become completely separate species.
He said:
"I have called this principle, by which each slight variation, if useful, is preserved, by the term of Natural Selection*."
Darwin's extrapolations from these observations - that Evolution occurs in small incremental steps as a reaction to environment - have become the basis of modern Evolutionary theory.
Ironically, although Darwin had virtually nothing to say about the Evolution of Man - or its religious ramifications - his On The Origin Of Species was attacked upon its release for much the same reasons that Creationists do so, now.
By association, Natural Selection seemed to continue, develop and legitimize the ideas - through exhaustive Science - of a popular but discredited, anonymous** publication, Vestiges Of The Natural History Of Creation - which seemed to preclude God from the creation of the Universe (and Man!).
However, within 25 years, Science had accepted Darwin's theory of Natural Selection for much the same reasons as Science does now - within each isolated instance that it is tested, it works!
* See also: The excellent introductory paragraph to The Genetics Behind Natural Selection
** The author was later discovered to be a Scottish author, Robert Chambers
Charles Darwin And The Tree Of Life
a documentary hosted by David Attenborough
Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life
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"David Attenborough has been doing wonderful, highly creditable nature shows for decades and this low-key and soft-spoken paen to the insight of Charles Darwin fits perfectly within that tradition.
As a mature and sophisticated spokesperson for Nature's wonders and Science's ability to penetrate the outer layers of that wonder, there are few better tour guides to the revolution that Darwin brings to our understanding of the living world."
Amazon reviewer Greg Saganite
"The one-hour documentary goes by very quickly and offers a surprisingly vivid picture of how Evolution works."
Amazon reviewer Ethosian
"I thought the BBC Earth series of Charles Darwin was absolutely wonderful. David Attenborough does a great job of pointing out the facts with a humbling and un-patronizing way to the viewer that makes it all so easy to understand AND make sense.
I think this would make for great viewing in a high school science class.
Amazon reviewer The Online Cowboy
Charles Darwin: Up Close And Personal
quotations from the father of Natural Selection
On Science
"I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts and grinding out conclusions."
"A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections - a mere heart of stone."
On Natural Selection
(and I'm sure that you'll see, just as easily, Capitalism)
"In the long history of Human-kind - and Animal-kind, too - those who learned to collaborate and improvise most effectively have prevailed."
"In the survival of favored individuals and races during the constantly-recurring struggle for existence, we see a powerful and ever-acting form of selection."
"It is not the strongest that survive, nor the most intelligent but the one most responsive to change."
On The Future Of Man
"Believing, as I do, that Man in the distant future will be a far more perfect creature than he now is, it is an intolerable thought that he and all other sentient beings are doomed to complete annihilation after such long-continued slow progress."
N.B.: Christian Answers.net provides an excellent article on Darwin's gradual and - as a result of his studies in Natural Selection - final turning away from Christianity towards Agnosticism and probably by his death, a depressed Existentialism.
Evolution Has Been An Accepted Part Of Everyday Life For 50 Years
In the late 1940s and early 1950s, DDT began to be used as an agricultural insecticide, to devastating effect and the world beckoned a new era of bountiful harvests from pest-free crops.
However, within a few years, the insects rebounded, seemingly adapting with every new generation to become more and more immune to the insecticides and their' fight back was Evolution in action. Of course, it wasn't reported as such but that's what it was.
Similarly, many diseases such as the AIDS virus and even the common cold are continually mutating and Science is only playing catch up - as they can only try - because Evolution is the way of Nature!
Darwin's Dilemma
Intelligent Design's reaction to Natural Selection
Their idea is that the Bible should be considered a book of scientific fact - a position that makes Scripture forever hostage to the latest Scientific findings.
It's a move that is sheerly breathtaking in its foolishness. By pursuing this misbegotten agenda, all the literalists can accomplish is to inflict enormous harm on the credibility of religion in its proper sphere. Well, that plus getting lots of attention for themselves, selling lots of books, and doing very nicely on the lecture circuit.
With friends like these, religion needs no enemies. Their counterparts on the opposite side (e.g, Dennett, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al.) are doing equally well preaching to their own choir. It's a very profitable arrangement, if you think about it, and for that very reason the lamentable charade seems destined to go on ad nauseum. Science will hardly notice, leaving Religion [to] itself and the important personal and societal functions that it serves, as the only losers."
An essay-like review by Amazon member, meadowreader of the academic book, Darwin Comes To America
However, as is normal within Nature, the Creationist Movement has adapted ans evolved. The cleverly a-religious and near-Scientific Intelligent Design, an each-way bet "philosophy", posits that within the framework of Natural Selection - which it upholds - there have been key "moments" in which change has been too rapid to be explained as random Natural Selection.
And while, apparently, 35 - 40% of Americans believe the saying:
"Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced formed of Life but God guided the process..."
Technically, Intelligent Design supporters don't but if you substituted the words "Intelligent Design" for "God", they would.
The video, Darwin's Dilemma, is an Intelligent Design look at the Cambrian Era, when, as wikipedia states:
"The Cambrian Period marked a profound change in life on Earth.". The Amazon reviewers develop this further...
Darwin's Dilemma
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"[Darwin's Dilemma] reveals the huge scientific problems with Darwin's theory as it relates to the Cambrian Explosion...[with] the absence of transitional [evolutionary] forms...[implying]...Design rather than a gradual, unguided cobbling together of adaptations."
Amazon reviewer L. Galbraith
"Dr. Wells used the example of the condensing animal life originating on Earth in a single day on a 24 hour clock. For, say 20 hours, all you have is single celled organisms.
Then boom! At the 21st hour, suddenly there appears multi-cellular organism with very complex bodies and capabilities."
Amazon reviewer Green Fire
"The video animation, [direction], narration [&] ability to hold the interest of the viewer are all superb."
Amazon reviewer Achilles
Duel: Creationism or Evolution
So, there are now two battles:
The Natural Selection-ists -v- The Creationists, who uphold the Genesis version of events &
The Natural Selection-ists -v- The Intelligent Design-ers, who, well, uphold Natural Selection but are also Creationists because they believe that a Higher Force helped direct the process...
Which one do you believe in more?

Creationism because
notimetoulouse says:
I'm not a believer in a God on a cloud somewhere. A real caring God wouldn't allow all this pain to happen...but I'm still searching for answers. My own lens http://www.squidoo.com/was-darwin-right-how-a-simple-fern-could-undo-the-origin-of-species, is a bit of an attempt to put my own quest down and ask for help with it.
This is a great lens by the way!
DaveStone13 says:
Evolution has no close comparison in terms of explaining nature as it now is and how it got there. Creationism is a desperate scramble to preserve an outdated mythology. Move on.
tiff0315 says:
I believe we were created by God. But I also believe that evolution is real. I don't believe that we are descendents of monkeys, but animals can evolve to their environment.
rlmodranski says:
The theory of evolution has no answers for the "beginning." the closest I've ever heard is the "big bang theory." To think that all order and beauty began with a huge explosion is much more difficult to believe than a loving God creating a universe. There is also a lot in science that points to a creator - The more we learn about DNA, the more we see evidence of a creator. Our creator put a lot of stock in "3's", it's recorded in scripture 100's of years before science discovered all of the sets of three found in the created. And there's more (but you just want an opinion, not a lecture - LOL!!!)
Evolution because
DaveStone13 says:
Oh, and by the way, I hit the wrong button and went on the creationism side. Definitely a mistake.
badudi says:
I believe Intelligent Design to be a stepping stone to atheism. Science has taken much of the religious beliefs that, until recently, couldn't be proved or even supported one way or the other and started building evidence that doesn't support those religious beliefs. Intelligent Design is religion compromising with science and it's only a matter of time until there is nothing left to compromise.
kitty222 says:
I'm sort of on the fence with this one; I want to say that evolution was just God's way of trying different stuff to see what happened. And there's nothing in the Bible that they were consecutive days. Maybe He took some time to make some tweaks like any artist would. And after He took that day off, I bet He came back and was like, "Y'know, Gabrielle, I take a day off and look what happens."
danxiie says:
evolution, it has great evidence, and you should be humble if you realized that we came from monkeys. It is better to think that we came from a single cell to fish and we are all connected. The giraffe's thorax was a great example of evolution, you can research about it.
Chadrew says:
It is not a matter of personal belief. Anyone with a clear view on reality and a mind capable of logical thought can see that all facts point towards evolution.
Creationism is... Well, I suppose it's easier to understand and makes people more comfortable knowing that they were created by god and everything in this world was made for them and their life has a higher purpose.
Evaluating The Genesis Creation Story: A Personal Opinion - Part 2
However, in terms of Judaism and by association, Christianity, I don't believe that it matters one bit. In fact, the chronology problem of Day 4 is as relevant as spotting a slight anachronism in a movie e.g.
Smart-ass: That's a 1935 Mercedes but the movie is supposed to be in 1936!
Me: Shut up!
The Creation story merely sets the scene for the main action, which brilliantly explains why people's lives are so awful. Yes, Adam & Eve are prancing around in the nude with all the animals having a jolly good time, until:
- Satan - which remember, was created on the seventh day, with Man
- tempts Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge - which she knows she should not
- and then the vixen tempts Adam to do the same
- When they realize that they're naked, they cover themselves with fig leaves
- God finds out, curses snakes of all kinds and then tells Eve that Rib-reproduction is out and that women are going to have a much worse time in child-birth because of her, forever
- Then God tells Adam that he's going to have a rotten life, working really bad soil
- and throws both of then out of the Garden of Eden, banning them and their offspring from ever getting access to the Tree of Life i.e. (Immortality)
Creation?
Who cares?
Links Relevant To The Creationism -v- Evolution Debate
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The Genographic Project
With the cruelly-timed discovery in December 2010 of human remains in Israel (see: Genesis Day 7, above) that are believed to be 400,000 years old, the Genographic Project must now be preparing for a second wave of research.
Deep Ancestry: Inside The Genographic Project
by Spencer Wells
Deep Ancestry: Inside The Genographic Project
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"The Genographic Project is an ambitious attempt to analyze the DNA records of human beings from around the world...
...Spencer Wells writes well and has a gift for using personal vignettes to illustrate important points. This is especially useful in describing a field as unfamiliar as DNA research for most people."
Top 500 Amazon reviewer John D. Colfield
"Wells puts some effort into explaining how DNA works, what counts as a 'mutation' and how these changes can be tracked down the generations. With enough samples from living populations in historically stable circumstances, he can provide maps of the distribution of the haplogroups and frequency of the haplotype in a given area. Ireland, for example, is populated almost exclusively by a single haplotype."
Top 100 Amazon reviewer Stephen A. Haines
"After hearing a lecture by Spencer Wells on the Genographic Project, I obtained a test kit to have my DNA analyzed...
...My earliest male ancestors appeared in the Middle East 20,000 years ago [and] they hung around there for 10,000 years. While others were up north chasing mammoths in the snow, my ancestors were inventing stuff to make life easier: writing, agriculture, Civilization...
...At the end of the ice age, 10,000 years ago, they moved a few hundred miles north to the Mediterranean where they can still be found today. Couch potatoes, compared to many other groups."
Top 1000 Amazon reviewer Paul Moscowitz
Evaluating The Genesis Creation Story: A Personal Opinion - Part 3
Well, from my perspective, there is one utterly remarkable line in the Genesis Creation story that is out of the blue and quite unlike anything else I have ever come across in many years of researching Metaphysics. It is Genesis 1.26:
"Then Jehovah said, Let us make Mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Now, given Jehovah's fairly heavy retribution on Mankind for Adam & Eve's one sin, Christian explanations for what Genesis 1.26 means, such as this bland, plodding verbiage or this uninspiring exposition on how lucky we are to have free will in a world that Jehovah has intentionally poisoned (Genesis 3.14 - 19) seem woefully incomplete!
No! In the dismal world that Jehovah has decreed to Man, the statement "Let us make Mankind in our image..." is at best, curious and probably better described as bizarre. In no other religion is Man given such God-like potential and it is worthwhile pondering how this one statement has influenced both Judaism and Christianity.
There is a possible explanation for Genesis 1.26, which requires considerable delving into Metaphysics. I've written about it in some detail at Understanding Chakras but given what both Judaism and Christianity became and still are, I find this explanation unlikely.
For my final words on the Creationism debate, I end where I started. Instead of arguing about what God did or didn't do, why not start acting like a better man? Then you might get an inkling of what is God-ly:
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Got Any More Comments For The Creationism -v- Evolution Debate?

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compugraphd
Feb 19, 2011 @ 11:32 pm | delete
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Since you only have choices which require one to choose, I can't answer your debate -- I personally don't believe there is such a huge dichotomy between the two -- I personally believe in both (see http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Big-Bang-Discovery-Harmony/dp/0553354132 ) -- and, while, perhaps they don't mesh perfectly, I believe that this is simply because enough time hasn't passed. So much of science is a development -- and just because theories say today that this or that is written in blood, I'm sure that will change in 50 or 100 years or so. There is no reason scientists can't believe in G-d (as a matter of fact, I personally don't understand how scientists can disbelieve in G-d)
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tiff0315
Feb 4, 2011 @ 5:50 pm | delete
- Interesting debate. Great for philosophy students!
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Somnambulist
Jan 5, 2011 @ 5:46 am | delete
- While I applaud your investigations, objectivity and exploration of this subject, for me there is no 'debate' to be had. Evolution arises out of natural processes that are largely very well understood. Science continues to add colour to our understanding on a daily basis and evolution is only disputed by those that don't sufficiently understand the subject.
Creationism / Intelligent Design is a religious philosophy that is cobbled together to achieve consonance with pre-conceived beliefs about human existence. This is as different from evolution as it is from Newton's laws of gravity. The deeply unsatisfying aspect of this philosophy is that in it's attempt to answer one set of anthropic questions, it raises the mother of all quandries: if god(s) made us / earth / universe, then who or what made him / her /it?
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the777group
Jan 5, 2011 @ 6:07 am | delete
- I don't think it's fair to say that Creationism is the same as Intelligent Design nor that "Intelligent Design is a religious philosophy" - as it is supposed to incorporate Natural Selection.
As for "Who made God?", God only knows!
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Somnambulist
Jan 5, 2011 @ 6:51 am | delete
- I'm not saying that Creationism and Intelligent Design are the same thing, but they are both 'religious philosophies' in the respect that they attempt to explain the existence of man while starting from the pretextual belief in a creative intelligence. The methods used, be they supernaturally controlled natural processes as in ID, or magic as in Creationism, aren't particularly relevant to the basic tenet that something else started it all for unspecified but undoubtedly egocentric reasons.
I can understand why ID is popular. It's only a couple of centuries or so since the Enlightenment really took hold and humans are naturally reluctant to give up their psychological safety blankets. Even though most people are educated enough to realise that believing the earth is only 6,000 old years makes you a loony, they're also not quite ready to face the uncomfortable possibility that we might be alone.
Sorry, digressing a little there. My only real point is that the debate, such as it is, between Creationism and Evolution was largely settled in 1860 when Thomas Huxley kicked Samuel Wilberforce's butt in Oxford, thereby sending institutionalised religion's dominion over science into irreparable decline. Any further discussions on creation myths and their driving forces really should be restricted to theological, rather than scientific, debate.
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the777group
Jan 5, 2011 @ 2:28 pm | delete
- I think you've hit the nail on the head with "Even though most people are educated enough to realise that believing the earth is only 6,000 old years makes you a loony, they're also not quite ready to face the uncomfortable possibility that we might be alone."
However, in my (philosophical & experiential) researches into Mysticism (more akin to extreme martial arts training than "belief"), I'm placed in the unfortunate position of being a predominantly rational man trying to interpret irrational experiences e.g. Intuition, in which chunks of fully formed information - for which there as been NO subconscious mentation - pop into your consciousness.
Scientific?
You've got to be kidding - the results aren't repeatable for me, never mind anyone else!
For me, Creationism is nuts, Evolution is rational, while Intelligent Design is mostly just Creationism dressed up as Science - and yet, through my experiences, I'm forced to move towards believing in some kind of Intelligent Design. Damn!
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Somnambulist
Jan 6, 2011 @ 3:24 am | delete
- Strange things happen in the universe. Very strange things happen in the human mind. But just because they are strange and there isn't an obvious and immediate rational explanation, doesn't mean that none exists.
Again, I appreciate the enticing draw of belief that there are supernatural forces at work, since human culture has deep roots in such concepts from times when our understanding of the universe was limited. We are predisposed, through religious and cultural learning, to attribute events that are out of our control (that are sometimes good for us, and sometimes bad) to the hand of some unseen forces, which, incidentally tend to have suspiciously human-like intentions.
The only thing I can say to this is 'be skeptical'. Particularly when it comes to personal experiential phenomena. If something is non-repeatable it's an anecdote, and however intriguing it might be, remember that the plural of anecdote is not data!
It does not surprise me in the slightest to hear that your reasearch and extreme training (whatever that may involve - I'd love to hear more!) has resulted in unusual flashes of intuition. You are clearly an intelligent chap, who is actively seeking greater understanding in a manner that is surely keeping your brain sharp and active, through intellectual stimulation and perhaps (I'm making assumptions here) introspective meditation techniques (I've done a little martial arts too).
Where you find yourself tending towards belief in a superior intellegence (that incidentally chooses not to interact with us in any way that could be construed as intelligent), I find myself tending towards belief that it is you, and you alone, that is finding a higher conciousness within yourself. Give yourself the credit that is due: you are living, scientific proof that the natural world can be quite extraordinary enough!
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the777group
Jan 8, 2011 @ 6:37 am | delete
- A Squidoo Creationism lens is not really the place for this discussion, so I shall curtail my part, anyway, other than to remark that - trite as it might seem - George Lucas' idea of The Force is certainly in the ball park of my experiences.
May The Force be with you.
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Somnambulist
Jan 9, 2011 @ 4:59 am | delete
- Fair enough. Jedis rock.
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VickiSims Jan 4, 2011 @ 11:55 pm | delete
- A great way to create a duel lens. I really enjoyed the way it evolved. Blessed by a SquidAngel and featured on my angel lens.
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the777group
Jan 5, 2011 @ 6:09 am | delete
- As a pun-addict I'm begging that your use of the word "evolved" was intentional.
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kitty222
Jan 4, 2011 @ 11:25 pm | delete
- Very neat. The simple answer to why microbes and dinosaurs aren't mentioned in Genesis is that the original authors didn't know about microbes due to the lack of microscopes, and if they found dinosaur bones, they probably thought they were dragon bones or something. Or maybe God just figured, "Don't confuse the poor primates more than they are already." LOL.
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the777group
Jan 5, 2011 @ 6:11 am | delete
- Ah but work of the "original authors" of Genesis has been described as "God's word" or 2,000 years.
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What Blogs Around The World Are Saying About Creationism -v- Evolution
- Reconciling Evolution and Religion
- While many view evolution as standing in opposition to religion, I believe that the two can coexist. Neither strict creationism nor atheistic evolutionism can provide a complete explanation for the world we know today, but it is possible to come to a ...
- Why I'm Bored Of Talking To Creationists
- I am one of the aforementioned people who is on the line between creationism and evolution. I grew up in a household which was not religious, and as such I always believed in evolution, as it was based in science and seemed pretty reasonable.
- Richard Kyte: Evolution vs. creation debate has wrong focus
- Critics claim it will allow creationism to be taught in science classes. The evolution-creation debate is profound. It invites reflection upon the most basic questions of human existence. Unfortunately, the people driving the debate seem to be those ...
- Chimps' personalities are like people's
- But Dr. Carson is also a creationist who has publicly spoken against evolution. Speaking at a National Science Teachers convention, Dr. Carson said, ?Evolution and creationism both require faith. It's just a matter of where you choose to place that ...
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