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Bart says:
Creation of course....how can we be from apes and where is this "missing link" anyway?
Posted April 25, 2009
JanaMurray says:
Creation, but I must say, thanks to television, many may have "de-evolved"...
Posted April 25, 2009
The Doubting Thomas says:
Darwin set up a method by which to prove/disprove his own theory right in his book "Origins"(sic).
He was well aware of the fact that there would necessarily be many intermediate species (say between a Deer and an Elk)
if things had developed according his published theory. It was his belief that these would eventually be found.
As it turns out,instead of there being millions of intermediates which would have to have existed, there are essentially none.
Therefore he has proved that his own theory is incorrect.
Posted March 03, 2009
cmilton111 says:
I accidently inserted a couple of paragraphs twice (in part)in my writing.
Posted February 21, 2009
cmilton111 says:
Darwinism is wrong or Creation is wrong. Which is it? Because religions and creationists may be weird or even crazy it does not disprove that God exists or prove that every religion is wrong. Because Darwin and evolutionists appear to have scientific credentials and credibility it does not prove that God does not exist or that science is right about everything. There is only one way to prove what reality is and that is through objective observation of what reality itself is and a willingness to accept what the evidence shows. This means there must be answers that we ourselves acknowledge regardless of what we may have thought before the issues were addressed.
It is quite obvious that there is suppression on the issue of Creation. In the past the suppressor of this issue was religions. Today, Darwinists are the oppressor and they are as dogmatic about the issue as the religions were in the dark ages (only the Darwinists are not burning people at the stake, they just starve them to death through ostracism).
Obviously if there is a universe it had to come from somewhere. How could any human being (a small speck on a miniscule planet) intelligently state that there is no God (higher intelligence-designer)? Their argument is that there can't be a God because where did he come from, but at the same time they choose to believe in a universal big-bang that came from a miraculous "singularity" (a huge amount of energy that existed from nowhere in nowhere because there wasn't Space at that point). The discussion from Darwinist ends abruptly at the pre-singularity issue.
Darwinist and the scientific community as a whole often believe in aliens with no absolute proof (which would mean they believe in other ?intelligent life? therefore that life form (alien) is possibly more intelligent than us), but they will not believe in a God that has more intelligence than us. Mankind is learning to manipulate DNA (very dangerous) but the evolutionists will say that no God (higher intelligence) could do this. The evolutionists believe in survival of the fittest but they deny that there could be a higher being (God) that is at the top of that chain. They spend billions searching for intelligence throughout the universe but deny that it is possible if that higher intelligence is God (higher intelligence). This denial is obviously a way to avoid addressing the issue. They are tired of the issue and that is understandable if you consider the many angles of "God" that have confused the issue. Ridiculous religions (false dogmatic concepts of God) contribute a huge negative influence on an intelligent consideration of this issue. Since the religions don't have agreement on God (they are divided), even killing each other about this and other issues, so the issue of a creator is beset with a huge fog covering a rather obvious conclusion. There has to be a causation of the universe, it exists-we reside in it. This universe is either from an intelligent source or it is a total and complete accident of space and time (but where did the Space come from and where did the time come from?
Considering the extreme complexity of all of existence, especially life itself (things should be breaking down universally according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics which was written by the scientific community after relentless observation proved that things around us are in fact basically decaying and universally things are not getting more complex).
It is quite obvious that there is suppression on the issue of existence through intelligent design (namely a creator). In the past religions suppressed the discussion but now it is the Darwinists that suppress discussion, especially academically. The Darwinists are now the suppressor and they are as dogmatic about the issue as the religions were in the dark ages (only the Darwinists are not burning people at the stake, they just starve them to death through ostracism). Obviously if there is a universe it had to come from somewhere. How could any human being (a small speck on a miniscule planet) intelligently state that there is no God (higher intelligence-designer)? Their argument is that there can't be a God because where did he come from, but they choose to believe in a universal big-bang that came from a "singularity" (a huge amount of energy that existed from nowhere in nowhere (because there wasn't Space at that point). But then where did all that come from? Imagine if sperm could talk before conception. One sperm says to the other, ?I do not believe that any life exists outside of what is immediately observable to us.? A big statement from a tiny observer.
It is noted that scientists and Darwinist often believe in aliens, yet they have no absolute proof of this. Given that they believe in aliens would mean that they believe in other intelligent life, which would mean they believe in life which is possibly more intelligent than us), but they will not believe in a God that has more intelligence than us. That makes no sense at all.
Now consider that mankind is learning to manipulate DNA (the author believes this to be very dangerous) but the evolutionists will say that no God (higher intelligence) could do this. The evolutionists believe in survival of the fittest but they deny that there could be a higher being (God) that is at the top of that chain. They spend billions searching for intelligence throughout the universe but deny that it is possible if that higher intelligence is God (higher intelligence).
This denial is obviously a way to avoid addressing the issue. They are tired of the issue and that is understandable if you consider the many angles of "God" that have confused the issue. Ridiculous religions (false dogmatic concepts of God) contribute a huge negative influence on an intelligent consideration of this issue. Since the religions don't have agreement on God (they are divided), even killing each other about this and other issues; the issue of a creator is beset with a huge fog covering a rather obvious conclusion. There has to be a causation of the universe. It is either intelligent or a total accident (non-intelligent). The extreme complexity of all of existence, especially life itself (totally opposite reality according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics which was written after relentless observation proved that things around us are basically decaying-not getting more complex). The complexity of the universe could not possibly have come from a single explosion followed by billions of gradual perfect accidents (evolving) to finally produce life. We realize that all scientific advancement is accomplished by someone observing reality (possibilities) and then utilizing that observation in an intelligent way to produce what we call "technologies", which are in actuality "intelligent design". We can readily see that this process is not accidental. If we produce intelligent design then how could we say that no other being (God-higher intelligence) is capable of this also. Just because we never met God doesn't mean that this creator is not out there. Logic tells us that there is a God. The universe is highly complex to the infinite degree and that proves there must be a designer. Highly complex things (everything in existence is highly complex) had to have a cause and could not exist without a cause (we have concluded that all things exist by means of a requisite cause).
Finally, consider that many things are not understood but we believe in them. The universe going into infinity, time without beginning and end, endless possibilities in every direction around us, and constant discoveries of new science (physics).
Posted February 21, 2009
maj08 says:
The idea that everything in existence was formed out of a "big bang" or an explosion? C'mon, that must take some real faith. If we could just slow our fast paced lives down for a moment and notice the fine detail in nature...in a new born baby, how could we not conclude that there is a plan and purpose to all things God has created? I believe we were created to adapt to different situations and environments, but to think we were once monkeys or a puddle of slime, get real. The problem with most people is they have to have an answer for everything. Those are the people who have to be told what to do and think. Believing something simply through faith and leaving it at that (even if you don't take into account proof through the beauty in nature), is difficult for those people because they have no Higher Authority in life than themselves. If all I had was myself, in all my imperfectness, or other mere humans to rely on in life, I might conclude that I too was a chump who came from a chimp.
Posted June 12, 2008
Margaret_Schaut says:
Runningbandit, these are good questions. Finally you ask "Who created God?" If God had been created, he wouldn't be God. God would be whomever created HIM. God can create however he wants to, which is evidently through some form of evolution. Therefore, even the process of evolution in the natural world is created by God, in the form of natural laws, which He holds to in order to have things unfold according to His intentions. Even though He isn't required to abide by the natural laws He created, he chose to do so, and let life do as it does according to those laws.
Posted May 23, 2008
Runningbandit says:
Why can't it be both? Why couldn't it be that something was created however long ago and then evolution stepped in and took on from there. It's obvious that there has been many different organisms and evolution is a fact, no i am not saying we developed from monkey's, but both humans and monkeys, gorillas, whatever are all primates. So why couldn't there have been a primitive form of humans X amount of time ago and we've developed from there. There are alot of people in certain religions that say dinosaurs never existed, despite the fact that all the evidence is there, because that would almost debunk what they believe by saying there were dinosaurs and primitive humans, etc... There is also facts that Jesus did exist and I've heard that peices of the arc have been found, but maybe after thousands of years couldn't the story of been streched to what it is today the bible. Yes a man Jesus lived, but couldn't it be possible that his life story began to be exageratted over the years and by mouth, it's like playing telephone when you're in school. One kid says something and then passes it along and by the time it reaches the 30th kid or person it is soo far fetched from what was originally said, but still holds something to what was originally said. All I am saying it could be possible that there was a god, or whatever that created something or somethings that evolved, but who created god and where is god?
Posted May 23, 2008
SivartM says:
Creation. The odds of life just "happening" are impossibly slim.
http://www.squidoo.com/evolutionisnotafact
Posted May 22, 2008
KelleyEidem says:
Let me amend my last remarks.
God created everything using Hierarchic Organization.
Posted May 14, 2008
KelleyEidem says:
If you'd read my book, you'd know the inside skinny...it's neither evolution or creation...it's Hierarchic Organization! Darwinism is completely wrong.
It was an easy mistake to make, so I'm not down on Darwin except for the part where he apparently talks about good stock and bad stock referring to humans...that's not cool.
Posted May 14, 2008
alienflower says:
Created. One of the things that make me look forward to Heaven is the things I get to ask God about. Not in the settle a debate kind of way, but in a satisfy my curiousity way.
Science is great and sometimes very exciting. But it doesn't approach knowlege from a God-centered perspective. And I just look forward to an eternity of discovering all the mysteries of God in an infinite variety of ways.
My point? Something tells me He didn't give us the whole story about creation. (The truth? Absolutely!) And I look forward to hearing all the details.
Sorry to babble so much!!!
Posted May 09, 2008
Alban says:
Who really cares? Why can't the answer be both: yes, design, and evolution. If we are created in God's image and likeness, we certainly have to admit that we as human beings do not resemble God in any way. God is not insane and cruel as we came to be in our dysfunction and failure as individuals and a species, where we are about to destroy ourselves. The only solution to that contradiction is that God does not know of this place and us as we see ourselves. He created us whole and perfect, and this existence has NOTHING to do with God's idea. We are the denial of truth, love and wholeness. This world is a design to imprison ourselves and others forever. Thank God, there is a limit to our capacity to tolerate pain. So who made this world? You, me, everyone as the sole dreamer of this nightmare of separation and destruction.
Of course it is evolutionary, too. We invented time, so things are changing, according to our design. Thank God it is all already over. We see only the past. This is not life.
Posted May 07, 2008
American says:
Created in His likeness. Gensis 1- it's all in there! PLease visit my lens The New World Order and Christianity!
Posted April 25, 2008
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I definately say created! how else would everything have fallen into place?
Posted April 18, 2008
Elee says:
Unquestionably created. Everything fits perfectly with each other.
To say it evolved is like saying put several bottle of inks and some paper together, mix them and you've got a dictionary.
You don't get dictionary - you get junk.
Posted March 11, 2008
No way, Monkeybrain!
Study Anthropology says:
Eveolution is based on scientific facts in physical and biological anthropology http://www.studyanthropology.org
Posted December 30, 2008
nhigh1219 says:
Evolution all the way.
Posted November 16, 2008
Margo_Arrowsmith says:
I think that people should understand what evolutionary theory before they say things like, "It isn't proven" Evolutionary scientists don't even say that! I believe in God, neither thought Ben Stein was an intellectual, and know that evolutionary theory is based on solid facts.
What ever else creationism is or intelligent design is, neither of them are science and don't belong in a science class.
Posted August 04, 2008
sciencemarketing says:
You've loaded the options to fit your own views, rather than allowing for an open and intellectually honest debate. Sounds just like Stein and his movie. ;-)
Posted July 20, 2008
JustOneGuy says:
Neither. And if you think Stein is for Creationism you're dead wrong and missed the point of his movie. We assume that if life is driven into existence by something inherent in the nature of matter (which, by the way we don't really understand yet) it has to come from the hand of God. Since we don't know yet we shouldn't be slamming the door on any possible explanations. There might be natural drivers that imitate what some believe God is responsible for. Stein is for leaving the door open to all possibilities.
Posted June 15, 2008
Nbah says:
Runningbandit, and everyone else in this debate, check this out:
http://www.strandbeest.com/
That guy is doing what "god" supposedly did when He created the universe. But he is letting his creation evolve on it's own in a computer program he wrote. My point is, there can't really be a set line between creationism and evolution. The fact that humans evolved is not really arguable, just look at dogs, they have been bred over hundreds of years and now look nothing like their ancestors. But you have to look at the bigger picture, we are all part of something huge and incomprehensible to our minds. We could be in a huge computer program just like the strandbeests for all we know.
Posted May 27, 2008
Runningbandit says:
I guess I clicked on the wrong side I meant to be in evolution. Sorry! Runningbandit says:
Why can't it be both? Why couldn't it be that something was created however long ago and then evolution stepped in and took on from there. It's obvious that there has been many different organisms and evolution is a fact, no i am not saying we developed from monkey's, but both humans and monkeys, gorillas, whatever are all primates. So why couldn't there have been a primitive form of humans X amount of time ago and we've developed from there. There are alot of people in certain religions that say dinosaurs never existed, despite the fact that all the evidence is there, because that would almost debunk what they believe by saying there were dinosaurs and primitive humans, etc... There is also facts that Jesus did exist and I've heard that peices of the arc have been found, but maybe after thousands of years couldn't the story of been streched to what it is today the bible. Yes a man Jesus lived, but couldn't it be possible that his life story began to be exageratted over the years and by mouth, it's like playing telephone when you're in school. One kid says something and then passes it along and by the time it reaches the 30th kid or person it is soo far fetched from what was originally said, but still holds something to what was originally said. All I am saying it could be possible that there was a god, or whatever that created something or somethings that evolved, but who created god and where is god?
Posted May 23, 2008
spirituality says:
Evolution is just a fact. It's not about 'intellectual' or not - it's about following evidence to its most logical conclusion.
Posted May 19, 2008
KelleyEidem says:
If you'd read my book, you'd know the inside skinny...it's neither evolution or creation...it's Hierarchic Organization! Darwinism is completely wrong.
It was an easy mistake to make, so I'm not down on Darwin except for the part where he apparently talks about good stock and bad stock referring to humans...that's not cool.
Posted May 14, 2008
Mandiana says:
Evolution and Creation can go hand-in-hand if people take a close look at the similarities between the two rather than the differences. I study anthropology but also grew up with an Evangelical mother who pushed the Bible down our throats. If you take a look at the order in which the world was created in the Bible, it compliments the order of evolution. Genesis 1:3 (NKV) says "And God said, Let the be light: and there was light." That is first thing God created (or designed) in the universe - just like the Big Bang Theory says.
I really think aside from the debate between the numbers (some think the Earth is merely thousands of years-old while others think millions) the rest of the arguments can be taken out of the equation. I don't understand why religious people cannot accept that perhaps when God created them, it was indeed an evolutionary process (some say a second in Heaven is equal to a thousand years on Earth - do the math) and that science can give valuable information about our origins. I also do not understand what is so wrong if we really are connected to the chimpanzees and everything else on this planet - I think it is just simple human ego to want to be above everything else in the world. At the same time, I also wish people would respect the religious aspect of others and if they want to believe it was God behind the whole thing. Call it what you will, it happened. Why does one side have to automatically negate the other?
Religious people need to start respecting science (most do go see a doctor don't they?) and not be afraid of learning something. Ignorance does not need to go hand-in-hand with belief, just as faith does not warrant us to be blind.
Posted April 23, 2008
greg2213 says:
Evolved. Evolution is hardly random, and it doesn't exclude God, you just have to make Him a little bigger. So try this: 13.8 billon years ago God walked the field of infinite possibility, saw that a point was ready, poked it, and the universe sprang into being.
All the physical laws which drive black holes and evolution were created, as well. What we see now is God's Machine at work. The machine is predictable and can by understood by mere mortals (not that we're there yet.) The fact that we're writing this stuff on this lens means that Man can understand God's creation.
It's perfectly reasonable the humans evolved from lesser beings, that's how the machine works. It also means that we'll see some pretty interesting stuff when we start moving off world.
Posted April 09, 2008
fefe says:
Evolved, but that doesn't mean there is no intelligence behind it...
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