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Global warming is inevitable
Today's global warming is a result of past carbon dioxide emissions. Tomorrow's will be a result of today's.
To reverse global warming we would need to return to the emission levels we had before it all started. This is unlikely to happen...
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Fink wrote
Global warming? No. Global Climate change? Yes. Global climate change has been happening ever since the beginning of the earth. Multiple ice ages have happened and thawed.
Humans have, if anything at all, an extremely small effect on the "warmth" of the planet. The Industrial Revolution put more CO2 into the atmosphere than we "modern" people could ever imagine. There's nothing drastic mentioned about changing climates, rising sea levels, or freezing cold.
Global Warming, as it is called, was made by politicians. Politicians who do not have any background in real science. The politicians are only interested in making money through their carbon emission credits and taxes.
Posted January 26, 2009
Fink wrote
Global warming? No. Global Climate change? Yes. Global climate change has been happening ever since the beginning of the earth. Multiple ice ages have happened and thawed.
Humans have, if anything at all, an extremely small effect on the "warmth" of the planet. The Industrial Revolution put more CO2 into the atmosphere than we "modern" people could ever imagine. There's nothing drastic mentioned about changing climates, rising sea levels, or freezing cold.
Global Warming, as it is called, was made by politicians. Politicians who do not have any background in real science. The politicians are only interested in making money through their carbon emission credits and taxes.
Posted January 26, 2009
CarolSue wrote...
I think global warming is real. Mankind has a definite impact on the environment, from the toxic cleaners we use in our homes daily, the large amount co2 emmissions generated daily and a host of other contaminants. How can it not effect the enviroment! I recall back in the early 60's when I picketed Ford factories and other factories to clean up thier emissions. Luckily we have come along way since. Additionlly I recall when when the Cleveland's Cuyahoga River burst into flames from all the toxins in it and Lake Erie was once dead. I did a lens about the first Earth Day in 1970 with some interesting facts, and what we can do to sustain our environment. I hope you can visit.
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Posted May 13, 2008
chris51 wrote...
I think if nothing is done now in 70 or 80 some years New York and a lot of other cities will be under 30 or so feet of water. People that deny Global warming really need to wake up and get a clue. Do you know how really bad it's going to be?
I live in Washington State and the weather is really getting strange. We had snow in April. We also had for the most part a mild winter and they have been getting more mild over the last 20 years at a rate that really shouldn't be happening if things were all good.
Posted May 06, 2008
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Delayed Warming
Today's global warming is caused by past emissions. Future warming will be caused by today's.
We would need to do more than just stop the increase in emissions. We would need to go back to the pre-warming level of emissions.
It also may take centuries for natural processes to remove the extra CO2 from the atmosphere. So our current emissions will continue to affect the climate for centuries.
The following chart shows emissions for the past 200 years. Would we need to return to 1990 emissions? Or do you think we would need to return to 1950 emissions? Please post your thoughts below.
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Do you believe it's possible to return to 1990 emissions? What about 1950?
Could you cut 90% of your energy use?
spirituality wrote...
We will just have to try - and we will be stopped by mother nature when the oil and natural gass resources run out.
Posted March 30, 2008
mktplace wrote...
Forget about emmissions.
Do solar and wind power to get away from the turmoil and dependence on the middle east.
Posted March 22, 2008
Margaret_Schaut wrote...
I don't thing we're going to unless there is no other choice- our entire economy is based on high usage of fossil fuels and consuming everything we can get our hands on. It won't be until it actually collapses for everyone on the planet that we'll change, because there won't be any other way.
Posted March 09, 2008
greg2213 wrote...
Fact 1: Water vapor is a far more potent and far more abundant greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 contribution is trivial. People assume it's bad with very little evidence to support their assumption.
Fact 2: CO2 follows a diminishing curve. The means the 2nd unit of CO2 increase has less effect than the 1st. The third is even lower. For example, 100 units of CO2 increases temp by 1 degree, the next 100 increases it by half degree, the next by a quarter, and so on.
Fact 3: According to NASA the warmest years were before 1950 and the last few years have shown a flat temperature scale. So the spike seems to have little effect.
Fact 4: According to ice cores the historic temperature records show temperatures increasing 800-1200 years before CO2 increased.
Posted February 21, 2008
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Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected continuation. Global surface temperature increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the last century. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that increasing greenhouse gas concentrations resulting from human activity such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation are responsible for most of the observed temperature increase since the middle of the 20th century. The IPCC also concludes that natural phenomena such as solar variation and volcanoes produced most of the warming from pre-industrial times to 1950 and had a small cooling effect afterward. These bas...
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Positive Feedback
This is one example of positive feedback: Phenomena which speed up global warming after a small increase in temperature.
The following diagram shows the Arctic ice during the 1950's and the amount projected by 2050.
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lisadh wrote...
Top scientists from over 100 countries have agreed global warming is real, is manmade, and is affecting our world. If they're wrong, we still get a cleaner, more energy-efficient world that isn't so reliant on fossil fuels if we act to stop it. If they're right, and we do nothing, we're in trouble. There is no downside to trying to stop global warming.
Posted January 19, 2009
Steve_Meritt wrote...
Global warming, arctic meltdown, pollution are certainly happening as you read this but the question is: What are we going to do about it?
Posted May 21, 2008
mktplace wrote...
The problem with projections into the future is that they are based on bad data, poorly written models that are incomplete, and bias from the lastest politically correct sicentists to prove the point.
And these guys are brainwashing all the students in engineering, so it is a self perpetuating problem.
Posted March 22, 2008
elementalist wrote...
These cooling and warming trends have gone on for mellenia.
The "Medieval Climate Optimum" records temperatures ~2 degrees warmer than now. Do you suppose industry back then was the cause?
Global warming is due primarily to solar cycles that alternately cause decreases or increases in solar wind.
Strong solar winds stave off streams off cosmic rays that would otherwise slam into the ocean's surface, releasing vast quantities of water vapour (the most important of the greenhouse gases) and CO2.
Al Gore and his henchmen just want to empty our wallets of our hard earned money. A serious side-effect of all this: We leave Africa in poverty by denying them the tools needed for development.
Dr. S. Fred Singer (Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia states, "There is no dispute at all about the fact that even if punctiliously observed, (the Kyoto Protocol) would have an imperceptible effect on future temperatures - 1/20th of a degree by 2050."
Posted March 15, 2008
Comfortdoc wrote...
Great debate topic. I've added your lens to the Earth Hour 2008 lens, to get everyone to turn out the lights for one hour 8:00 pm on March 29, 2008 in an effort to raise awareness about climate change.
Posted March 12, 2008
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Many of the effects of global warming are non-linear in nature, with potential for dramatic positive feedback effects. This means that the climate may enter a critical state where small changes can trigger runaway or abrupt climate change. One example of a 'runaway' effect is the release of methane from clathrates (known as the clathrate gun effect). Geoengineering has been suggested as a means of interrupting or reversing these effects.
The 2007 Fourth Assessment Report by the IPCC includes a summary of the expected effects.
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Danfree says:
Yes Global warming is inevitable and so is Global Cooling, but... who defines Global Warming. When the new Denver Airport was built in the '90's, they found fossils of palm trees and ferns. These are displayed while you are waiting to go through the security check point.
Who is to say that, palm trees are not normal for Denver and that what we are in now is a Global Cooling Cycle and we are just warming up to normal.
Cyclical climate changes happens along with other stuff. The problem is the do gooders want to regulate and tax us back into the stone age in the name of Global Warming.
Do you really think China, India, and other poor countries are going to cut back on their carbon emissions to go along with some untested theory?
And what about natural occurences. You can not control or predict those. If weather people can't tell me the weather next week or month, why should I believe their predictions for 50 years from now. And did you notice that hurricane predictor guy did not do too well in 2007 even though increased and more powerful hurricanes are suppose to be the result of Global Warming.
And the people on Discovery/History (I get them confused as to where I saw something) channel are saying the world is over due for a massive volcano eruption from several places and that could send the world into an mini ice age.
Not an endorsement but this guy has a free report entitled "The Truth about Global Warming."
http://www.douglassreport.com/reports/global-warming.html?gclid=CLmF7pXnmJYCFQRfagod3Tl17A
Posted October 08, 2008
Grasshoppa says:
Of COURSE it's inevitable. Climate change happens in cycles, just like everything else in the universe. Why should we be able to change that? It was happening for thousands of years before we ever came along.
Posted May 09, 2008
anon says:
Global warming is inevitable, as is global cooling.
Global climate is not in stasis, it fluctuates wildly throughout the history of the Earth. This was going on for billions of years before our technology came into being, and it will continue long after we are gone, whether into extinction or just into the casmos.
Posted April 12, 2008
alhggyb says:
Of course global warming is inevitable. The same as global cooling is inevitable. Humans have a bad habit of judging future predictions on its own small lifetime. The problem with modern projections is that there is not enough scientific data going back far enough to make proper assumptions. Another fact a lot of people seem to ignore is that in the last 50 years we have lost nearly 50% of our global rainforests. Trees are the major carbon fixing entities on our planet. It's like a human losing one of their lungs!
Posted April 07, 2008
mktplace says:
We are actuslly at a peak now, and within two to three years will see temperatures drop, based on the solar flares and other effects, such as el nino. . .
But by then, we may have a bunch of silly laws costing us trillions of dollars.
I am all for moving away from fossil fuels, not becuase we are killing the earth, but becuase it is jsut the right thing to do - renewable is ALWAYS better than consumption.
Posted March 22, 2008
Katapillar says:
The world has been getting hotter than any cycle change has ever peaked before. Record breaking temperatures have been seen more years in a row lately, than in history. Pollution is worse than ever. Air Quality continues to degrade. If the current energy usage continues, it is only a matter of time before there is devastating results. There is a huge amount of renewable energy available, that could replace fossil fuels and help immensely with the environmental problems.
Posted March 08, 2008
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Even after reading all of this and the responces. I have no doubt about it and guess who I beleave is to blame? :)
England!
Posted March 03, 2008
No way, Monkeybrain!
rallison says:
No, it is not inevitable-we can stop it now by reducing carbon dioxide emissions
Posted December 23, 2008
spirituality says:
Nothing is inevitable. Just because it's hard to stop a trend doesn't mean it cannot be done.
Posted March 30, 2008
Margaret_Schaut says:
The earth itself will make changes that will 'overpower' whatever we do. For example, a huge volcanic eruption would put an immediate end to the warming, but swing us in the other direction. We still would benefit by simplifying our lives, reducing the global transport of unnecessary goods, and so on, but in the end the planet will triumph over us for a change.
Posted March 09, 2008
Jack Lee says:
No. It is part of a cycle we humans have no control over.
Posted March 05, 2008
manxsal says:
Climate change is a natural phenomenon that has always affected the earth. What we do or don't do has little long term affect on it.
Posted March 02, 2008
greg2213 says:
Just for the record - I don't deny that some warming has occured. However, I do deny two things:
1) That warming is catastrophic. There is ZERO evidence to support this. My the way, the hockey stick graphic below has been totally discredited by real climate scientists.
2) That warming is a bad thing. There is also ZERO evidence to support the "Warming is Bad" idea. All the available evidence supports the opposite idea, that warming is good.
Some real climate science including a critique of "The Most Terrifying Video..."
Four part video debunks warming.
Snide remarks by Orsen Scott Card. (What's that you say? He isn't a scientist? True, but then neither are Al Gore or the IPCC Bureaucrats.)
It's a scam - by someone who studies weather and climate for a living.
IPCC Commentary - we'll get more bang for the buck feeding hungry kids than fighting warming.
Signals and noise
So yeah, there's been some warming, it's mostly good, and the "Warming Is Bad And We're ALL Doomed!!!" ideas are total and complete rubbish.
Posted February 21, 2008
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