There IS an afterlife a debate run by spirituality

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I think there IS an afterlife


This lens records various religious beliefs - and gives you the option of really deciding which is best. From Ancient Egypt and Plato, to Christianity and Buddhism... most religions I know of have an afterlife of sorts - but modern science reduces us all to our most physical parts and denies an afterlife as a matter of course.

This lens will tell you about the afterlife in various spiritual and religious traditions, as well as give you the opportunity to vote for the afterlife (or lack thereof) you personally believe in.

There IS an afterlife - links from various religious traditions 

I don't think there is proof about the afterlife, but these sites make it's existence likely

Add links on life after death in various spiritual traditions. Vote for the one that you believe in or that appeals to you most.

karma and buddhism - Buddha's World

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Purgatory explained

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Karma and Reincarnation in theosophy, buddhism and with J. Krishnamurti

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Devachan - theosophical heaven, H. P. Blavatsky

Life after death? Devachan (roughly heaven) explai more...0 points

What's left after we die?

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Jiddu Krishnamurti: Death and Life

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Heaven in Roman Catholicism

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Purgatory: History and current beliefs

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Six Realms of Existence in Buddhism

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Many Mansions

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Suicide is not death

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Views of the Afterlife: The Realm of Hades

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There isn't an afterlife - links 

Proving there ISN'T an afterlife

So why isn't there an afterlife? Please help me find links on that (they are hard to find, so I do need help).

Heaven, Hell and Purgatory 

Roman Catholic Church on the afterlife

This is the belief most familiar to people. There is a heaven for the just and the faithful. There is hell for the sinful. In between there is purgatory: a place where souls get purified.

Egyptian Myths about the afterlife 

The Egyptians saw death as merely a moment in the existence of a person. They believed we would go to the afterlife and would take all the things with us that was with us in the grave. So they left all kinds of things in the grave: clothes, food etc. Things that didn't fit in the grave were painted in, which worked to transport it to the afterlife as well.

Before a soul could go to the afterlife, their heart had to be weighed. Had you been a good girl? Your heart would be weighed against the feather of Ma'at, goddess of truth and justice. If the heart was heavy with sins and bad deeds, your heart would be eaten and that would be the end of you. If however the heart was lighter than the feather of truth, you were lead to Osiris, the king of the afterlife.

Books on the afterlife and Near Death Experience 

90 Minutes in Heaven: A True Story of Death & Life

Amazon Price: $11.19 (as of 08/08/2008)

Hello from Heaven: A New Field of Research-After-Death Communication Confirms That Life and Love Are Eternal

Amazon Price: $7.99 (as of 08/08/2008)

Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives

Amazon Price: $10.17 (as of 08/08/2008)

The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying

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Protestant Christianity 

The belief in protestant Christianity is simpler than the one in Roman Catholicism: There is no place for souls to get purified - souls get saved or not, based on the grace of God. Souls that will get saved are ones that are more devoted to God in this lifetime.

[I know that there are various ways in which this may pan out in Protestant theology - please express your precise version in the comments]

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Heaven in Islam 

Muslims believe in a version of Heaven and Hell are pretty close to the Christian versions.

Hell is the abode which Allaah (swt) has prepared for those who do not believe in Him (swt), those who rebel against His (swt) laws and disbelieve in His Messengers. It is the punishment for His (swt) enemies, the prison for evildoers.

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Plato's views on death and the afterlife 

Plato's ideas on the afterlife were recorded by Socrates, like all his ideas. He didn't leave any writings himself. So the following is what Socrates wrote about the subject, saying it came from Plato. Since the accounts in Phaedo and The Republic are similar, I'll go with that.

First of all: Plato makes a differentiation between what kind of soul you have. There are sinners and virtuous people. The virtuous people are the philosophers. Don't think he meant cerebral people. Philosophy didn't just imply thinking, but also trying to live right. We might translate his 'philosophers' as those who practice mindfulness...

In both cases each soul got a thousand years of afterlife. After that, they had to drink from the river of forgetfulness, before going into a new life.

This afterlife could have two forms. The virtuous people, the philosophers, got a thousand years of bliss and rest. The sinners, those who hadn't lived mindful, got a thousand years of torment. The torment depending on how sinful the person was. Very sinful people never got to leave the afterlife.

Heaven and Hell in Buddhism 

This is where it gets interesting. Classical Buddhist texts talk about six realms of existence, of which the human realm (the one we are all in) is one.

These are the six - starting with the most hell-like end ending with the heavenly realm:

1 Hell
People in Hells; the lowest and worst realm, wracked by torture and characterized by aggression.

2 Hungry Ghosts
Characterized by great craving and eternal starvation.

3 Animals
The realm of animals and livestock, characterized by stupidity and servitude.

4 Asura
The realm of anger, jealousy, and constant war; the Asura (Ashura) are demigods, semi-blessed beings; they are powerful, fierce and quarrelsome; like humans, they are partly good and partly evil.

5 Humans
The human realm; beings who are both good and evil; enlightenment is within their grasp, yet most are blinded and consumed by their desires.

6 Deva
The realm of heavenly beings filled with pleasure; the deva hold godlike powers; some reign over celestial kingdoms; most live in delightful happiness and splendor; they live for countless ages, but even the Deva belong to the world of suffering (samsara) -- for their powers blind them to the world of suffering and fill them with pride -- and thus even the Deva grow old and die; some say that because their pleasure is greatest, so too is their misery.

Nirvana
Nirvana is the release of all these realms - only in Nirvana is one out of the cycle of existence. Heaven and hells are merely distractions from the true goal.

Six states and More on the six worlds

Heaven and Hell according to Theosophy 

Theosophy is of the position that in between lives we get to rest. That resting place is for our consciousness and it takes the form of our highest dreams and wishes. H.P. Blavatsky called it Devachan

If your highest dreams and wishes are about heavenly virgins - that's what you will get in devachan if your life has been reasonably well lived. Only the very wicked don't get devachan - they get a hell-like experience, because they did not have high dreams and wishes.

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There is NO afterlife - according to most atheists and agnostics 

Since our bodies decompose after death (and they should) - and since we are only our bodies - we just disappear after death.

So which after life state appeals most to you? 

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Is there an afterlife? What is your belief or opinion? 

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Yes, there is some sort of life after death (tell me which kind you believe in)

Mysticshakra says:

Only those who develop a soul are able to continue to exist beyond the death of the physical body. Building a soul takes effort like everything else in life. There must be an exchange of energy. The majority of people do not have souls and have no afterlife.

FlashAllen says:

Yes there is an afterlife if there wasn't what would happen eventually every one will die and if there wasn't an afterlife the universe would be empty and eventually every thing will become a big black nothing and if there was nothing time would end and what would happen after there was no time nothing and how could the universe exist if there was nothing.

Tiddledeewinks says:

Yes I believe there is life after death, but that a lot of us are already here in a hell of sorts. We are in a sort of school on probation and to work out what we haven't yet learned the right way. And I believe in karma. What goes around, comes around.The Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I believe in what Jesus Christ said, and that He will return with great punishment to those who knew, but chose not to listen, and followed their evil ways of hurting others. The blood of the murdered cries from the ground like Abel's did, even animals. My hope is in that heavenly city where no one who is evil in their hearts can enter in. And that will be their hell, knowing they chose not to. What animates our bodies if not a spirit? And where does it go? We are not allowed to know. But even animals have something that animates them when they are alive. Check out my lens on Do Animals Gop To Heaven.

EelKat says:

Wither or not there are heaven and hell is debatable, however, I do believe there is an afterlife of some sort.

I do not unnecessarily believe in either heaven or hell. I do not think life after death is all very much different from life here and I believe we well be reunited or even reborn again into the same family circles in the next life as this one and that we have already done so in past lives as well.

Heaven, the way I see it, would be spending eternity with those you love in a peaceful place free of heartache, sickness, and war. If there was a hell, I think it would be a place where we are separated from those we love: our friends, our families, and our pets.

spirituality says:

I do believe in life after death - and in reincarnation. What I believe is that our consciousness goes to a place of rest (theosophists call it devachan) before venturing back into this world as a new being.

No, we die - our bodies decay, nothing is left but mud.

flowski says:

No, and I've seen belief in an afterlife result in poor decisions, compromises and complacency in real life. It steals your personal power. What I do believe, is that everything you do is a vital part of the fabric of eternity for all of infinity, your ripple effect goes on forever. I feel it's more empowering personally, but to each their own!

EelKat says:

Yes, our bodies decay, and nothing is left but mud; however, by that time our spirit bodies have already left of physical bodies. I believe that it the actual act of the spirit (or soul) leaving the body that causing one to die.

spirituality says:

Our physical bodies do die. I don't believe in resurrection of the physical body. Why would it just reassemble at the end of all time?

 
 
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When you read revelations ask yourself. Do I really want to dedicate my energy towards fulfilling these prophecies? Resist with force the temptation to participate in religions that preach death and destruction, fire and brimstone. If you really think about it, it's very negative. Seriously, if you need religion in your life, please worship one that has a positive message and ditch the gloom and doom, it's better for you, me and reality.

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