Rhode Island Hot Wieners

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Rhode Island Hot Weiners or New York System Weiners or "Gaggahs"

"The hot wiener, weenie, or New York System wiener is a staple of the food culture of Rhode Island. It is typically made from a small, thin frankfurter made of veal and pork, thus giving it a different taste from a traditional hot dog made of beef. Once placed in a steamed bun, the wiener is topped with a meat sauce seasoned with a myriad of spices like cumin, paprika, chili powder and allspice, which is itself covered in finely chopped onions, celery salt and yellow mustard." - Wikipedia.org

That description doesn't do the Rhode Island staple justice. A "gaggah all the way" is more than just a "small, thin frankfurter... topped with a meat sauce". My God they make it sound like a chili dog, and a "weiner" is NOT a chili dog. For a native Rhode Islander it is nirvana!! Read more below to find out what these things are all about, and my recipe for the sauce so you can make it at home.

What is a "hot weiner"?

A wiener is technically the same thing as a hot dog or frankfurter, but dogs and franks are often beef-based, with a garlicky flavor and a teeth-teasing snap that their casings give them, whereas a wiener is soft, skinless, bland and often pork-based. Usually a wiener is not at all my dog of choice, but when it's slathered with the meat sauce it becomes a "hot weener" and more than the sum of its parts, far from health food but cheap and satisfying.

Rhode Island Weenie Joints

Growing up in the Fairlawn section of Pawtucket I was raised on weiners from The Fairlawn Spa, which used to be on the corner of Mineral Spring and Smithfield Avenues. It has been gone a long time so don't bother looking for it. But, here are a few RI "Weenie Joints" that are still open. Olneyville New York System, in Providence's Olneyville neighborhood, is the most well know and dates to its opening by Greek immigrant Anthony Stevens in 1946. Stevens' cousin Gust Pappas ran Original New York System in the Smith Hill neighborhood, which claims its own founding as 1927.

There are dozens of establishments across the state that offer weiners, and the question of which is "best" is often contentious among residents.
Original New York System
Whether the Original New York System is actually the first is still up for debate, there are other joints that claim to be older. But their gaggahs are great!
Olneyville New York System
The most famous of the "weenie joints". The Stevens family has been serving Rhode Island's own culinary favorite, hot wieners since 1946.
Nick's New York System
Nick's New York System was voted "Best Weiners in the West Bay" in 2001 in the Rhode Island Monthly's Readers' poll.
Harry's New York System
I have never been to Harry's, but have been told their "gaggahs" are good.
Wein-O-Rama
Good weiners in Cranston, RI

Why do you keep misspelling wiener?!?!?

In Rhode Island and surrounding Massachusetts they are often spelled with the "e" before the "i." It is called a New York System Hot Weiner, but has nothing to do with New York. The early 20th century Greek immigrant who invented it had come through Ellis Island on his way to Rhode Island, and was inspired by the evocative words "New York." Rhode Island used to have lunch counters on every corner and many of the little restaurants, with names like Wein-O-Rama, dotted the landscape like McDonalds and Burger Kings do now, and it is where wiener is sometimes even spelled "ie." Wiener is short for wiener wurst, the grandpa of our wiener, so the word wiener means Viennese and "ie" is the correct spelling. So I have no idea why Rhode Island's dogs are "ei," but who cares, they are so good that expatriate "Ro Dylanduhs" all over are passionate about their weiners, waxing nostalgic for them in Internet chat rooms, sneaking them by the dozens onto airplanes after visits home, and order the spice mixture by mail so they can make their own sauce out of state.

Olneyville New York System

Nice little video that shows the inside of Olneyville New York System with the counterman making some "gaggahs" and then some folks eating them, LOL.
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The hot weiner mystique...

The hot weiner mystique is partly due to the fun way they're traditionally served; the counterman takes a whole bunch of them and lines them up along his arm-people often order them in threes. Then he dabs each dog with a mustardy wooden stick, slathers on the spice-laden sauce, then raw onion, then celery salt. I think the appeal is also partly because the sauce sits around on the heat 24 hours a day, drying out and requiring copious quantities of Crisco added regularly to keep it moist (not something I recommend you do at home, LOL). If you get your Hot Weiners to go, they are wrapped in wax paper and put in a paper bag that gets pretty greasy pretty fast.

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Why do I get so many different recipes when I search the Net for one?

There are a lot of varied recipes out there on the net for the meat sauce, most of them with way too many ingredients to be accurate in my opinion. We have to remember that these were created by lunch counter folk, there is not way they included a dozen ingredients. The reason there are so many variations is that the restaurants guard their recipes like it is the formula for Coke, most of them passing the recipe down to the next generation or to the people who buy the restaurant, they don't even share it with their employees. So, I decided to post the one I use down below. One more thing, besides using wieners instead of hot dogs, these are best if you steam the rolls just before serving. And PLEASE, assembly is very important to get the proper overall effect.

The Original New York System

An interview with the owner of the Original New York System
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My "Hot Weiner" meat sauce recipe.... don't tell anyone!

Your Thoughts

Do you have a favorite weenie joint? Or a fond memory of them? Or do you just want to leave a comment? Then please do...

  • Mike Farrell Mar 29, 2012 @ 6:34 pm | delete
    Hi, I grew up in Fairlawn too. Who are you?? Three/quarter !!!! THE best.....
  • VillaDejaBlue Jan 5, 2012 @ 1:58 pm | delete
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  • MaxReily Sep 1, 2011 @ 9:40 pm | delete
    They sound great! Where I live, there are no weenie joints. About the only place that even has hot dogs on the menu is Dairy Queen, and they're nothing like your "Hot Weinies". I'd love to try one!
  • Tipi Aug 5, 2011 @ 8:52 pm | delete
    Rhode Island Hot Wieners sound incredible....and a little dangerous to eat too often. I don't think I could make it through 3 but would enjoy the arm presentation. Yummily, deliciously done!
  • poddys Jul 27, 2011 @ 12:45 am | delete
    I have never heard of these before, they definitely sound tasty though. I'm not a big fan of hot dogs, unless they are off the grill, but I will give anything a try. The mis-spelling and mis-pronounciations seem to be an American thing, with many words being spelled differently to their origins. I'm not sure why that is though. I really enjoyed learning about a new bit of food history, I left a blessing behind.

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