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The Frederick Forsyth plan for Ireland

Once in a while you get or read about people with an ability to think and Frederick Forsyth's plan for Ireland fits into this. The Irish have fallen upon hard times, yet again and the highly vaunted 'Celtic Tiger' has become a 'Lame Cat'.

In a Sunday Independent Irish newspaper a couple of months back, Frederick Forsyth gave his views on how and why this had come about. A spellbinding article on how the European Union had led Ireland on with vast subsidies and their long term plan. Concise, erudite and thoroughly well presented.

The long and short of all this, he proceeded to explain, that Ireland had lost it's sovereignty and had now become the chattels of Germany and France. All too true, but will people believe this?

Read on whilst I try to explain his viewpoint and why a week later other people had jumped on this and were touting Ireland as America's 53rd. State? Fascinating stuff.

Jean Monnet

Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their peoples understanding what is happening.

This can be accomplished by successive steps,

each disguised as having an economic purpose,

but which will eventually and irreversibly,

lead to federation.

Frederick Forsyth

This, at last, is where the Irish come in. For 35 years you have swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker, a passionately pro-EU western flank to EU-sceptic Britain.

And the subsidies rolled in.

They helped you turn a largely agricultural land into a booming light-industry economic miracle.

And you thought there was no catch?

Sorry, but there is always a catch.

For Ireland it was complete obedience.

Well what now Ireland?

Ireland's collapse.

Ireland

Since Frederick Forsyth's telling article the Irish government has collapsed and we are heading for an early election (once the coalition partners) pulled out and I'll bet no one has given any thought to what this clever man said?

Essentially he went on in the article to explain, just how and why, Ireland fell into this trap. Then he went on to explain, that thanks to Ireland's superb constitution, it's forefathers had insisted that new changes had to go to the people first in a referendum. In both the 'Treaty Of Nice' and 'The Treaty of Lisbon', the Irish people, to their eternal credit, said, no to both.

None of this of course made any difference to the powers that be, namely, Europe and the people were bludgeoned by their own leaders to reverse the decision. Which of course they eventually did, against their better judgement.

Consequently, we became the slaves of Europe and this is a bitter pill to swallow after 700 years of British subjugation?

Brother, you asked for it, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, if only you could think. I'll handle this in the debate coming up soon. For what's it's worth I mentioned this aeons ago, just click on the above photo to see?

Frederic Forsyth

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Michael Collins

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Michael Collins

I have deliberately put this photo of Michael Collins, legendary Irishman prior to the debate underneath, because in my mind he had the ability to think. What this means is, despite the Irish history, he understood that the English had actually done a lot of good in this world and to be able to work with them and compromise would make a huge difference to Irish independence?

Years ago I wrote a short, satirical sketch about our current problems, which you can read by clicking on the photo.

Ireland 53rd. American state

Frederick Forsyth, argument.

Basically, what all this entails is that Frederick Forsyth believes that the Euro star is flagging and that Ireland has other options open to it, besides being a chattel to Europe. He believes that Irish people have more in common with Canadians than Bulgarians for example. Therefore we should become Associate Members of the EU like Switzerland and Norway. Furthermore, he believes the six nations of Ireland, Britain, USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia have enormous power and share the same language, history and culture and is the direction we should be moving in? Personally, I agree with him.

Frederick Forsyth: "The Irish would never be irrelevant inside a union of English speakers. Seventeen million Irish descended US voters see to that. We all share the freedoms before the law and the world, bequeathed by the English Bill of Rights of 1689 and the American version a hundred years later."

Would you like to see Ireland become the 53rd. American State?

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Yes, I sure would.

Michey says:

This is an interesting and sure, out of box idea, I think that can be beneficiary for both parts, but I am not convinced that all the people will embrace this idea at this point in time, Margaret is right.
An idea like this must cook up in time... sort of speaking...

Margaret_Schaut says:

I would be thrilled if America gained Ireland. However, given the state of our government now, we don't deserve something so wonderful.

Tipi says:

What an interesting idea.

OhMe says:

Sounds like a plan to me

Momtothezoo says:

America has always been a great place to live and I have always wanted to visit Ireland...so, of course, I think it is a great idea!

Michelle1959 says:

Oh yes! A colleague gave me immense insight re: Ireland's capabilities et al and their backbone - so I'm told, is largely their powerful culture, the history of their unexpected strength in past wars - as well as just how much Ireland has to offer! I personally hold Frederick Forsyth in very high regard and what is stated here so far even if the information I was given isn't exactly accurate.g

The_Bard says:

Its high time the Yanks took responsibility for the Irish (or is it the other way round?)
Ireland embraced the euro with gusto, and was a great beneficiary of it. They have taken billions over the last 15 years courtesy of France, Germany and Britain - the three richest countries which have kept the European Union alive and have sustained poorer nations in the misguided belief that a cosmetic prop is the fulcrum of a sham marriage of union. It's akin to providing a dowry as a display of good intent. The Republic of Ireland took everything available - they developed their infrastructure - their small parliament even influenced policy - a power which they could never have hoped for before - they adopted EU membership as a badge of honour. The Irish strutted, pranced and postured with superiority. They believed they were the prime example of EU success. Yet - it has collapsed. They followed like lambs to the slaughter, always in the belief that they were smarter, cooler, - an Irish passport was de rigueur. But the bubble has burst, the vision has collapsed - indeed the euro may fail as a poor experiment of economic unity. So now the Irish are looking for another route. This is the history of the Irish. Always the bridesmaid - always looking for a wealthy husband, yet incapable of being single, strong and independent, but with plenty of blarney to hide their insecurity! "To Obama - I bet you wished you kept Churchill's bust now! Muwhahaahaa!! Revenge is sweet!

charlino says:

Yes, I would.

Spook says:

Frankly, I would like nothing better and think it's a great idea.

No, it's non-sensical.

irish ben says:

No thank you, but an alliance with uk could work...

hotbrain says:

No, but I invite Ireland to become part of Cascadia :)

gypsyman27 says:

Ireland is a free nation and should remain so. See you around the galaxy...

 

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Ireland an American State

Let's hear what you have to say.

The great beauty about this from my point of view is. Although the States in America are part of the Union, they are largely left alone to get on with their business. This would suit Ireland down to the ground especially with large American and other investment, coupled with our low corporate tax.

  • madoc Feb 26, 2012 @ 10:57 am | delete
    I presume it is 53rd because Puerto Rico and Israel would be 51st and 52nd? Actually, some would argue that the so-called United States are the 2nd-51st states of Israel. And we really missed out on the Philippines, that would have formed a nice state along with Hawaii (but the natives objected). What you lose by taking Ireland out of the European Union is any chance of the unification of the island of Ireland (Eire and Northern Ireland) as a byproduct of the continuing dissolution of the United Kingdom, if the Scots get their way. I think the only countries the US would be interested in "acquiring" as a state right now would have to be pretty much overflowing with oil.
  • Michey Feb 19, 2012 @ 10:17 pm | delete
    Looks an eccentric idea at the first glance, but it is not a bad one and in time I think will be beneficial to all parts. The history wasn't always kind with Irish people so trying something new is thinking out of the box, and yes, we have a lot in common with them more then they have with Europe even though geographically they are so close.
    All the Irish people I have met in States, are great and I get along with them.
  • Margaret_Schaut Mar 7, 2011 @ 2:18 pm | delete
    I think its a better solution than the ones that have gotten Ireland into the mess it is now.
  • Spook Mar 8, 2011 @ 11:10 am | delete
    So do I and thank you.
  • Tipi Mar 2, 2011 @ 8:17 pm | delete
    Give us your tiered, your poor, your huddled masses.....something like that!
  • Spook Mar 8, 2011 @ 11:09 am | delete
    Yes something like that and thank you for your comment.
  • OhMe Feb 19, 2011 @ 9:04 am | delete
    I am all for States Rights but fear that we are loosing more and more of our rights lately. Not sure that becoming an American State would solve problems for Ireland but if it would, I would welcome Ireland with open arms. Interesting topic, for sure!
  • Spook Mar 8, 2011 @ 11:08 am | delete
    I think it is an interesting topic to and thank you.
  • Susan52 Feb 18, 2011 @ 8:11 am | delete
    I'm glad you understand the 10th amendment to the U.S. constitution (state's rights) since the federal government oftentimes forgets. I guess I don't understand the background enough to really weigh in, but I'm sure Ireland's people are very proud of their heritage and it would be hard for me to imagine anyone in a reasonably free country wanting to be part of any other nation, even the United States. Quite an interesting topic, though, one that I had no idea was being discussed. Well presented, Spook!
  • Spook Feb 18, 2011 @ 9:08 am | delete
    That is the crux of the argument Susan, we are no longer free but controlled by Brussels.
  • Momtothezoo Feb 17, 2011 @ 9:21 am | delete
    I think this would be an asset to America as well...they need to be reminded of their old values! Keep up the great work!!
  • Spook Feb 17, 2011 @ 11:08 am | delete
    Don't we all need to be reminded of our old values and thank you for your comment.
  • Michelle1959 Feb 5, 2011 @ 8:19 am | delete
    I honestly don't know enough to give complete and value-adding comment, save to say that I do believe in Ireland's culture, thus it would be the leading criteria. Given the likenesses in this article, most definitely I firstly see Canada and Ireland forming great trading and other alliances - but this is also because I know Canada very well, and I believe they're now leading the USA by the nose quite honestly. Again, similarly to Ireland, Canada is governed by a powerful and ethical culture which accounts for a lot. I feel that's all I'm qualified to comment on, other than I don't see why this wouldn't work entirely in Ireland's favour.
  • Spook Feb 6, 2011 @ 10:00 am | delete
    I believe it's in Ireland's favour as well.
  • hotbrain Feb 4, 2011 @ 3:28 pm | delete
    It's an honor that Ireland would want to join the USA, considering all of the recent troubles we have in the states. We don't have enough money to pay for social security and medicare. Our debt is so high that if we were an individual, we'd be bankrupt. High taxes plus the burden of new regulations prevent businesses from hiring. The stock market goes up, but so does the actual unemployment numbers (if you count all of the people who have been unemployed for so long that they don't get any unemployment insurance money). I know so many people out of work and I'm just hanging on. They say that there's a turnaround but I don't see it.
  • Spook Feb 5, 2011 @ 4:54 am | delete
    All the world is hoping for a turnaround soon. It comes from being well led and that appears to be the biggest stumbling block in most countries today.
  • gypsyman27 Feb 4, 2011 @ 3:24 pm | delete
    Very good lens 'Spook', I am saddened by Ireland's difficulties, they are a country full of tradition and culture. See you around the galaxy...
  • Spook Feb 5, 2011 @ 4:51 am | delete
    We are all saddened by this and thank you.
  • RebeccaE Feb 4, 2011 @ 12:01 pm | delete
    a great and interesting point of view, I am from Canada, and some people refer to this country as the 51st state but with so mcuh exports going to teh US you might as well say it is so, still tehre are benefits to being a nation and not...
  • Spook Feb 4, 2011 @ 12:54 pm | delete
    Yes, and I'm not entirely sure of this, but I bet you control your own currency which counts for everything? Thank you for your comment.
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