I was a Kleeneze Silver SEDs at one time and still recieve a bit on an income from it but I must say....it's very sad, but it's a nightmare these days! At one time maybe 1 in 10 or 15 people that we spoke to would get started (10 years ago). In recent years 1 - 100 or even less is more likely. The company are in terminal decline in my opinion. There's lots of reasons that I won't go into but I suspect that soon, the following will happen. One of the very ambitious bigger earners (not the biggest ie. Gavin Scott, Bob Webb or Rob Forster) will act on the fact that the business is not buildable any more (not like it used to be), and move on to better things, which are out there now. This will cause an exodus and do the business massive harm and perhaps result in the parent company closing up or selling off at a pittence. Things change.

Posted May 12, 2008

I was thinking of joining Kleeneze but after reading this site it has made me stop and think a bit more. I have just read the 2004 Kleeneze report from the company and found this quote from them
"The fall in turnover resulted from a reduction in the average number
of active distributors from 16,900 last year to 14,900 this year
together with the short disruption to service levels during the move
to the new distribution centre. We continue to recruit nearly 2,000
distributors each month, but the activation and then retention rates
of distributors year on year has fallen.
2,000 new people a month joining and the numbers are still dropping!
That is very alarming and so I don't think I am going to bother.
Thanks for the information, it has saved me a lot of time and money.

Thomas Hutchinson

Posted May 09, 2008

It is possible to make money doing Kleeneze retailing - you just have to work very hard and build up a customer base.
Things then get a lot easier when you are doing rounds of existing customers - you lose hardly any catalogues and
orders go up. I have been working for 6 months now and my last drop of 100 existing customers produced over £600
in orders.

However, BE WARNED. I am not a mindless fanboy. I am doing this full time and am spending 40-50 hours a week just
doing retailing (will try recruiting when I can afford to take time off retailing as that is my only income stream). Anyone
who claims they can drop 200 catalogues in 1 1/2 hours is a liar (unless all their customers line in flats or terraced houses).
It takes about 2 hours just to turn 200 catalogues around (place in correct order, check condition, replace bags with holes etc). NOBODY can make a lot of money retailing immediately - you have to build up your customers.

Posted May 08, 2008

Mike's gone very quiet.........maybe he's quit like the other 97%!!!.

Only joking Mike.

My sister was about to join Kleeneze, I made her read this and get some more of an idea what it is like and suprise suprise ! she is going to give it a miss.

I refuse to believe that 97% of the British public are lazy or stupid and therefore quit, it could be only 3% are lucky enought to make it work!

Posted May 06, 2008

Be careful, I have seen some negative posts on hear and if you are still Kleeneze agents you are likely to be shot at dawn!

I was in for a little over 3 years and I must agree with some of the people who have posted and that is that the first 18 months were easier than the last 18.

I threw the towel in at the end of Jan this year and it feels good to have my life back.
I now don't have to spend hour after hour in the evening tidying up catalogues, packing orders, doing follow up calls, doing appointments, attending meeting after meeting and doing all the same things through the weekends.
Instead I spend time with my children without feeling guilty or being told I am not serious about my business by my upline.

I reached the dizzy heights of Gold for 4 periods and did enjoy the early days, I thought I would be in for a lot longer but it was starting to cause a lot of friction with the family for what ended up being quite a basic salary.

Brian

Posted April 28, 2008

The value in MLM is in the network, not from the products bought from the poor sods leaving catalogues full of overpriced plastic tat on doorsteps (or the friends they browbeat to buy them).

Most people don't make money from MLM. As a sales model it is seriously flawed. The MLM industry preys on people who are (a) gullible, (b) wanting to make more of their lives, and (c) not quite confident enough in their own abilities to dump an externally imposed framework for their activities.

Danny

Posted April 28, 2008

Hi Mark

That's a good point about the number of Gold agents or above has not moved and yet when we went to the last Conference at least 50 went across stage?

Our up-line has told us that that Gold is the level to aim for and then you are quite secure, if that is so how come over 100 Gold agents either can't keep their level or quit?

I know quite a few X-Gold agents who pushed and pushed to get Gold and have now lost that level, a few of them went on the Euro Conf's and then came back and watched it all fall apart.

I suppose Mike will tell us they all must be lazy or all of them are doing it wrong.We all should live where Mike is, its wonderful there apparently.

Simon

Posted April 28, 2008

I have just quit Kleeneze after 9 months and feel I've had a lucky escape.

It is a con from start to finish.

Avon Advertise for Avon agents and Beterware do the same, but Kleeneze try and lure you in with "need an extra income" or "run your own business" and then you get a phone call trying very hard to persuade you to join.

Make money from day 1,HA HA HA! the Trading standards should look at that I think.

I bought a super 200 plus kit and within 2 weeks had to spend another £90 on catalogues to replace the ones lost and pinched by other agents.
I sponsored my sister and her friend within my first two weeks who live in different areas and they have had even worse results than me even though they haven't lost as many books.
Be very careful sponsoring your friends and family, we are only just back on speaking terms because she realises that I have lost more money than her and had no idea how bad it was going to be.

Mandy

Posted April 28, 2008

Hi Mike, It's Andy the liar apparently!!

I WAS Bronze Exec for 2 months, then 1 of the Gold legs dropped to 15% and has never got back above 18% all of last year. We were all going flat out as a team so my second Gold leg could go on a European Conf and we were on for a the International.
I am not bad mouthing Kleeneze as much as being very frustrated with it at the moment to say the least, and as for Bronze exec that have lost their Bronze status, there are quite a few and also quite a few SEDs i.e.:
Whitton Now only 20 in team,Tuesley only 50,Brennan only 39,Smith only 18,Fisher only 35,Nicholson only 12 and Pickles only 15 left in team to name but a few. These are the active agents left in team and none of them numbers represent an SED turnover.
The numbers are from the SED Conference ticket sales that are easy to get hold of if you ask around.
We have all experienced a run on people joining; unfortunately it's followed by a run on people leaving !!

Posted April 28, 2008

I was in Kleeneze for years and achieved the lofty height of SED which meant I'd built a business with 5 separate downline gold distributors (often quoted as £60K per year income).

The most I ever received a cheque for was £3000 - ONCE ! From that expenses for advertising, phones, catalogues, photcopying etc etc.

It is an endless money & time waster - catalogues, meetings (Gestapo like attitude to hyped up meetings/trainings) & recruitment. The NIA events may have a free ticket for some but also travel costs to Birmingham and for most extras for evening tickets and accommodation.

Steer clear if you have sense - if mike is the one I think, he's had a large but declining business for many years and couldn't be expected to say anything but positive. A good friend is still involved and at SED level and still earns no more than £3000 GROSS, another has seen their cheque of £20K monthly drop to less than half that.
Don't get involved at any level if you actually want to EARN.

Posted April 27, 2008

Well said Tim Coats. Although Kleeneze isn't the scam many claim it to be, it IS miss-sold. I answered an advert clearly aimed at someone like myself; in desperate need of £50 to £100 per week, in exchange for a few hours' work per week. The need to reinvest your earnings, possibly for 4 to 6 months, attend meetings and pay for setting up, running and calling a phone message line, were points not mentioned BEFORE I parted with money I have yet to make back! I have been asked by my up-line to write a bit about myself, so they can show my £350 'cheque' and convince others to join too. I'm tempted to write about what a struggle my first few weeks have been, how there are 6 established distributors in our small town, so rather than doing the job locally on foot while my daughter is at nursery, I have to borrow a car and drive out of our town on an evening. The cheques mean nothing, as I have earned nothing so far. I'm still broke, just minus my child benefit for March!

Posted April 26, 2008

Andy & Tim - 97% ?? this statistic changes everytime I see it for some reason, then again what do they say about statistics. I fail to see how I am in anyway an "exception" to the rule that Kleeneze is a failure/in decline/ fails everyone/ blah blah. One might be an exception but the five I have sponsored are still going and seem happy - one has asked me to sign up her friend and I'm going over next week. How come it works for them? Can someone tell me? I've been honest when sponsoring - 200GBP a month is acheivable from 200books/week/4 weeks - ususally more. Everyone I sponsored has been delighted with the outcomes - above the expectations I gave them. Exception? I think not - 3 of these people had *never heard of Kleeneze* , 2 out of 3 folk I talk to on the phone have never heard of kleeneze or what it entails. Sposoring is hard work indeed but not because Kleeneze is a failure - it isn't for everyone. At least here I've been honest.

Posted April 26, 2008

I'm very sceptical about a lot of stuff here - Andy makes out he is a Bronze SED , that means he has sponsored scores of people, got two people in his team to gold with them sposoring as many as ten each - he might be on 3K a month yet he is here bad mouthing it all. Why would someone do that? He would be sponsoring possibly one person a week almost fulltime working at it yet he comes here spreading unsubstaniated rumours - Patrick Jollys wife?? I've asked about and I haven't heard that - a bit unlikely really.

Posted April 26, 2008

If 97% of people quit Kleeneze and they sponsor 20,000 plus a year its no wonder it is soo hard to sponsor any more these days or stop them from quiting. There is so so many people out there ready to talk them out of it, just do the maths 20,000 plus a year times many years times most of them "talked to their friends and family" who also know it didn't work.
Fighting a loosing battle realy!

Posted April 25, 2008

Hi Lucky Escape, I would be eager to hear what you know because despite what Mike says Kleeneze has got serious problems with growth and has been going backwards for a few years now.
There is always an exception to the rule and good luck to Mike if its him, I have attended Lots of meetings and seen lots of people who have tried very very hard to make a go of it and have now left because they couldnt either make it grow or sustain any growth they had.
Even Patrick Jolly the new owners of Kleenezes MD admits his wife quit the business because she couldnt make it work, I have just found out!!

Posted April 25, 2008

The retail side of Kleeneze does work if u take time to build ur customer base. I joined in 98 and concentrated pt time and then full time on retail. By aug 02 i was in the top 30 retailers in company, nearly 5k sales every 4 weeks. Left the company to take on a franchise which did well. After selling franchise and serious illness am looking to join again. Interested to hear sales and distributor numbers have peaked. I know there have been change of ownership which must have unsettled things. But distributor numbers down means there is less competition, so more opp for serious retailers like myself.
The problem with Kleeneze is it is usually misold to new recruits that is why i gave up sponsoring. If you were totally honest and upfront with the reality very few people would join but the few who did would be quality people which is what you really want.

Posted April 24, 2008

Paul - I've had to wade through a lot on here but to say you were *robbing* people is just rubbish. I have a customer base that includes the very old , the very stylish , the very very intelligent. Whilst one might be able to get a butterfly mop cheaper in a bargain shop they'd rather buy it from me and have me deliver it into their hands. Whilst someone who is prepared to battle high street crowds might find some UPvc cleaner and restorer I can bring it to their door. If folk WANT to buy a set of stick on butterflies then why shouldn't they? If anyone was less than 100% delighted when they get the stuff then they can get a full refund or just not have it - costs me nothing I just send it back , never had a problem with returns. Frankly as a reason for quitting *being sick of robbing people* is a little much .

I will continue to answer honest questions about Kleeneze.I supose now a whole now batch of replies will come with even more lurid tales - funny that!

Posted April 23, 2008

Frankly if some people on here are to be believed - and I have VERY serious doubts about their claims of being Bronze SED's - I wonder two things. If it's SO bad why do they stay? given an SED could be on 3K a month and secondly if it's so bad and people have quit why seek out this place to complain about it? Move on if you aren't happy - it's funny the messages on here were very old till I started posted positive stuff . if it's so bad how can I do 1700gbp in personal retail and my down lines make a minimum 700gbp each in orders , one made 10% last period. Why has a downline who only does a little got a relative who wants to sign up? How come it works for them if according to people with supposed **inside** infomation it doesn't work for. It might be best for those making ever more spurious claims to put up or do the other - I'm prepared to show all my earning /cost/expenses.

Posted April 23, 2008

Andy, I've got plenty of clues but due to confidentiality issues, I can't expose them until I get the green light.

Posted April 22, 2008

We have just been told by our S.E.D. via voicemail to make sure that we all try and drive down to Birmingham to attend the Conference in June because the numbers booked in have dropped dramatically yet again and there is a very good chance they are going to cut down to 2 instead of 3 conferences a year if the numbers keep dropping.

What is going on, do people know something we don't??

Like it has been said many times already no growth in this business at all for quite a long while and we can't understand why, anybody got any clues?

Andy

Posted April 21, 2008

I object to people saying if you are finding Kleeneze hard or not making any money you are LAZY !!!
I have been a Kleeneze agent for a year now and I also work full time, when I finish work at around 6 to 7pm most of the time I don't even go home if my catalogues are due to be dropped. I take them to work in the back of the car and do them on the way home.
Last period I dropped 150 catalogues 6 times and got and got less than £500 in orders, so I didn't make 10% bonus and earned about 100 pounds, I have got 2 people in my team but they didn't do much at all last period.
We attend the Success Seminars at Sheffield and have our faces rubbed in it and basically get called lazy because I am doing low Retail and Rob Forster got Gold in his first period.
If you are doing well thats good If not youre LAZY it would seem.
I cant make people buy from the books can I?
Will keep trying but getin fed up with it to be honest.
My mates think Im mad all for £25 per week!

Posted April 21, 2008

I honestly can't understand why people are so negative about kleeneze! it's fantastic! I have only been doing it for 4 weeks now! But I have already made £400! My sponsor is now helping me to try and get my 1st person under me and my mam, Which will get the ball running! I do work with my mam full time and we are loving every minute of it! We also did Avon at the same time as kleeneze, But we quit! Kleeneze is the only home-based company that actually give you flexibility and good earnings! stay away from better ware or Avon! Anyone want to contact me my email is greggduster@yahoo.co.uk

Posted April 21, 2008

We have took off the blinkers at last, 2 years down the line.
We have sponsored 27 people in that time all but 6 have quit or are not doing anything, we have given them Retail packs when they hit Bonus levels, picked them up for meetings etc, had them around at our home for sizzles and done everything our upline has asked.
When you ask for help you are just quoted people in the team who are doing well. Thats funny because we were once quoted to new team members as high flyers 10% first 4 weeks 13% after another 8 weeks we are now just about 15% having fallen down from nearly Gold twice.
Enough is enough you just seem to build it up for it to fall down again.
"If you build a team you can NEVER NEVER stop sponsoring else it will all slip away"
I was told by a X distributor who turned over 60,000 a month and went on a international conference and showed me the proof and it all slowly went when he had to step back for family reasons.

Posted April 20, 2008

I think Kleeneze should be re-named "THE POUND SHOP"
Most of the stuff they sell can be found in the local pound shop for just that.

Some of the things that get returned are utter rubish
Their new range of brooms have crimped handles and just fall apart... more than half of the under unit lights are faulty...Flipping clocks that fall apart...door beads that do the same...windproof umbrellas that arent...the list is endless!

I can't look my customers in the face, hence the reason we quit...got sick of robbing people, especially the elderly!!

Posted April 20, 2008

We are Gold distributors and have about 20 in our team, only about 12 working at the moment and a couple of new ones to get started.
I am a bit concerned about how things are going as we are finding it more and more difficult to now get people to start and then stay!!
We have been agents over 3 years now and in that time the number of Gold agents or above has stayed about the same?? approx 600
when we go to the conferences there is always 100 to 150 NEW GOLD DISTRIBUTORS a year so that means that the same number of GOLDs quit EVERY YEAR....I can understand why as it is more and more difficult to stay at Gold never mind move up the pay plan.
We support our team as much as we can, one of the good sides to the business is that a lot of them have become good friends but for some reason unfortunately the numbers are dropping year on year.
Very Very sorry to see this downward trend as we have enjoyed Kleeneze so much in the past, but worry about its future!

Posted April 20, 2008

joined kleeneze 2 months ago and made it clear to my sponsor that I couldn t afford ANYMORE than the starter pack and guess what....there s charges coming out from everywhere!
I m feeling extremely p####d off right now!

Posted April 20, 2008

I thnk that it's a dinosaur, outdated means of distribution and vastly overpriced, particularly in the current economic climate, people can buy much cheaper on the high street. If you have a good downline at the moment, good luck to you. I wouldn't like to be in the position of having to constantly trying to plug the holes of those who leave! Wasted profit that could be going into MY pocket and less disillusioned distrihbutors. It breaks my heart to see the desperate methods used by current distributors to recruit - one bloke I know even rang somebody on Christmas Day !And he's a VERY high up with a supposedly huge income!

Posted April 20, 2008

I am thinking about joining Kleenze and someone has been round to my house to talk about it.

I am 18 and fed up of the crap jobs I can get with the arrogant managers who think they are king of the world.

I was interested because he made it seem like I can earn as much or as little I like depending on how much I work.

I want to earn £200 per month anymore is a bonus because thats what I earn doing 10 hours work now.

With these comments on the site i think I might leave it...

Posted April 20, 2008

Leeds Lass - it will get much much easier, we used to spend ages but now we can collect in and turn around very quickly. One of my downlines got very quick after just a week - they got really well organised, I was suprised. If you do a Google search for keeneze and Forums there is a forum for distributors that can give you loads of help and advice. As to you sponsor - they can't , why would they as you are earning bonus money for them . If they aren't helping you go over them to the next level - it's in their best interest to help you all the time. I wish you were on my time! You can't move over before you ask!

Ema K - well done - it does get easier and more lucrative as time goes on.

Posted April 20, 2008

I spent a few years with Am**y and made great losses. I was very sceptical about this Kleeneze business. My upline contacted me when I was selling Am***y kit on ebay. I spent weeks asking questions before I joined. MLM is not money for nothing. Anyone who thinks that is stupid. Kleeneze is a retail business with a MLM opportunity attached to it. I have always made money with kleeneze since I joined. When I started in July 2007 my average hourly rate was £1.12 an hour. Sod all but now 8 months later it is £11.81 an hour this period and I only have two people in my team. If you want a big income without working for it then I don't know what to do. Kleeneze is a viable business opportunity for people who are prepared to work hard and keep it up. i spend about 12 hours a week on my business.

Posted April 19, 2008

Please could someone tell me (maybe Mike?) if it is possible to be struck off or dropped by your sponsor. Thanks.

Posted April 19, 2008

I found this site a bit late as I'd already signed up. Very nearly packed it in several times during my first month. (which has just finished) I only carried on because of my 165 pound investment and having spent my commission on replacement catalogues. I'm beginning to enjoy the job now as I'm aware that the hours quoted (8-12hrs/week) and the hours needed (I don't wish to calculate, but I'm often up at 1am still re-bagging catalogues!) are very different. I have a partner in full-time work and 4 children, the youngest at nursery, and I do struggle to get my housework done. I admire those who work full-time and succeed at Kleeneze... I must be a slacker. I wished to address a question placed by Carolina Butler about how people get into debt with Kleeneze. The only way I can see is by spending the takings, rather than paying 79% of them to Kleeneze. In other words stealing. If you are bad with money or dishonest, this is not for you.

Posted April 19, 2008

Why should it matter to me what is happening at the very stratospheric heights of the business? I'm doing well as are my downlines - if M&S make a loss should everyone leave? I fail to see why you can't accept that it works here at street level for me and others? Do you only buy of companies that make profit?

As to 24/48 hr - whats the point? I see the Amtrac man with his full vanload , to try and get 24 hr would be for what reason? Again it's boils down to this - it works for me and my new downlines, I'm making good money , it's easy . It needs careful administration and isn't for everyone as I have been at pains to point out . Gareth - well done , who knows in the future you want to try it again - I'll sign you up!!

Posted April 19, 2008

Lucky & Goldwing - It's highly unlikely my whole downline would take time off all at the same time, I'm still recruiting and will do so all the time to make sure I have a large enough "spread". My ealier business used to fluctuate with customers closing for holidays etc so it's to be expected. 200 catalogues shouldn't take more than 1.5 hours max, never took more than that when I started try 500 for real time consuming. It's pretty obvious that the whole business is catalogue based - the DVD is I suppose for those who *already* know the ins and outs of it. I have to say from personal experience my customers young and internet savvy among them find this service superb. Far from being out of date it saves many wasted hours walking the streets , parking etc looking for some little knick knack etc. I've just put out a 500GBP order this morning and customers were delighted to recieve their goods.

Posted April 19, 2008

Mike You say
few businesses use 24 hr delivery - it doesn't work with toadys busy roads.
My friend works for Amtrack and he tells me they don't do 48hr delivery for Kleeneze, its 24hr, its just Kleeneze delay sending them out, ask for a super 200 plus kit and that manages to get to you in 24hrs....just pure cost cutting with the orders, not busy roads at all.

Posted April 18, 2008

Mike, " Just beacuse some 200 million pound turnover is down 1% " Down 1%???I wish !
Show me ANYBODYS business turnover that has grown since 2005/06 to now and I might sleep better at night!
G Scott Down £700,000 Per month ( over 25% Down)
B Park Down £720,000 Per month ( over 25% down)
C M Paul Down 450,000 per month ( over 35% down)
I could go on but you get the picture I think, these are just some of the BIG established agents.
Kleeneze forecast £250 million turnover by now, its below £100 million and going backwards not climbing.
All figures off their website or EWBs.

Posted April 18, 2008

I was a distributor once, And although the business is hard[especially at first], the personal growth and part-time income was very good. It pains me to see the critical comments concerning Kleeneze when without it a few years ago I would have lost my house. The customer base was reliable and profitable, the support was exeptional, and I was sad to have to give it up due to work commitments.
Tony briffa,Keith Phillips,and Paul Hallewell were always a positive help.
I have respect for the team I had.

Posted April 18, 2008

If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. The introductory DVD is useless to anyone with an IQ over 90. It took some perseverance to elicit the fact that catalogues must be retrieved and recycled, which takes the effort involved in a 200 catalogue drop way beyond the 2-3 hours which was represented to me, by a factor of around ten. How can more than about £3/hr be achieved? A little internet research shows Kleeneze's recent losses in doorstep marketing, and their moves into internet sales, which must point the way in which the company is going. All this faffing around knocking on doors and handling cash isn't what customers want any more, and isn't a viable retail model for the 21st century. People want to order from an internet site, pay with a debit card, and a few days later a bloke in a Transit drops off a parcel.

The marketing is seductive, but a little analysis will reveal the reality. Many people are all too ready to believe what they want to hear

Posted April 18, 2008

The meetings are optional but cost for me 3GBP - a pint of beer, nothing is obligatory, the big NIA confrences are free for new people but I got tons of free stuff worth a fortune.At £15 they are cheap as chips for a day out! MLM messaging isn't needed unless you are going all out to recruit - a legitemate business expense. It's a bit childish to assume there are no costs involved - find me a home business that runs so cheaply?

Sorry about the typos - *toady* for Today ade *fe* instead of Few , I should read through!

Posted April 18, 2008

You pay to own your own franchise business, cheap at 160Gbp, catalogue losses diminish as you establish your round, I lose very few. A downline was very near to 10% so I gave him a Box (which is what my upline did for me , a new box just before or at 10%) then when he go to 10% Kleeneze gave a box too. new distributors should budget for a box every 4 weeks till they are established. Snappies are 2GBP for 100 , I can get them cheaper from local bag supplier and pass these on to my downline. order forms come in packs of 150 with the books, I've never needed to buy any - if I used that many I would be loaded!. Deliveries - keep all the orders till 250 is reached, this has never been a problem for me or anyone I know. 7.50 for internet use and a yearly memebership (free for new people at the end of their first year) is a business expense and should be costed for.

Posted April 18, 2008

Mike, I appreciate your comments and from what you say, you seem to be running your business with integrity when recruiting new people. I wish you well for your future. From my own perspective though, I feel Kleeneze is an unsustainable business model for the long term. The company I'm with now has less than 2% churn for distributors and even if they do leave, your income doesn't suffer. For instance, if your entire downline took a month off, what would happen to your income? It would drop? If my downline took a month off, my income isn't affected because my customers continue to use the services daily, unconciously.

Posted April 18, 2008

Start Kleeneze:
Pay for the Kit
Pay for Catalogues you loose
Pay for snappy bags you go through very fast
Pay for order forms
Pay for deliveries if below £250...£5
pay for deliveries if below £100...£10 Like most new agents have to.
Pay for the Internet site so you can place orders
Pay for your yearly membership
Pay for new Catalogues as they get updated
Pay for Specialogues as they change every few months
Pay to go to the meetings
Pay to go to the opportunity presentations
Pay to go to the NIA conferences
Pay to be on the voicemail
Silly me I thought I joined to MAKE MONEY

Posted April 17, 2008

Simon - fe businesses use 24 hr delivery - it doesn't work with toadys busy roads. The move to Accrington and the new factories etc must have cost money. As to the top peoples turnover - thats nothing to do with me, where do you get the figures? same with the conferences - who cares? if you are a disributor and don't like it leave it's as simple as that. Just beacuse some 200 million pound turnover is down 1% or somesuch is irrelevant to my or the people working with me. I earn good money - it's dead easy, my downlines ALL have fulltime jobs , shifts AND kids yet they manage. If I get a foriegn holiday then fine , if not I'll just enjoy the earnings - I owned my own buiness for 10 years and never saw my take home pay rise like this.Oh and the catalogoes are £30 a box with three books included - seems OK to me just got some new ones the first I've needed for 6 weeks so few are my losses. Frankly I'm not sure what everyone wants here - it doesn't work for everyone but it works for me

Posted April 17, 2008

Lucky escape - you use these statistics yet they aren't borne out by the actual reality I'm living day by day. I'm happy with Keeneze, as are the 5 I recruited one of them has emailed me tonight about a friend of hers who is interested.Now you say you were talking to a bloke who has been in Kleeneze for 20yrs, given that my SED upline (featured in the last main book advertising the KLeeneze experience) has done it for just 7 yrs and is making a fortune - why isn't your friend? why has my SED a room full of people who are his downlines on a Tuesday night? Something is not quite right here - why am I happy and my 5 downlines happy, why has my downline emailed me to present to a friend? I've never needed to show anyone anything other than what Kleeneze actually is - a useful extra income open to everyone?

Posted April 17, 2008

Mike
A few questions....why does this "state of the art factory" now take 48hrs to deliver when the old place at Bristol took 24hrs (doing things on the cheap maybe)?
Growth...why is there only 50% of the numbers now attend the NIA conferences compared to 3 or 4 years ago when I started ?
Why has the big earners turnovers nearly halfed in the same time I.E Chris Mason Paul down nearly £1 million per month....Bob Webb about the same & Rob Forster down about £400,000 per month?
Less and less people managing to go on the Euro & Inter Conferences, even though the qualification is easier and numbers boosted by SEDs going for their TURNOVERS STAYING STILL.....or not droping too much?
and lastly why has the catalogues gone up in price and yet less in the pack....i.e. no K plus?

Posted April 16, 2008

If, out of every 100 people who join, 97 subsequently leave (it may be even higher, I wouldn't be surprised), doesn't that set alarm bells ringing? Talking to a bloke the other day, who has been in Kleeneze for 20 years,(he has other business interests as well) His downline was, at its peak 25. Now he's down to just 2 and can't recruit new people who want to stay. He's seriously looking for something else. Most people today are acutely time starved and haven't got the energy left to traipse round the streets for hours after work/picking up kids/feeding family/commuting etc. Maybe if Kleeneze had a re-think about their distribution methods that are more in line with life in 21st century Britain rather than post-war Britain, they might find something that works better for all concerned.

Posted April 16, 2008

No Lucky Escape - I reckon it's over expectation, I've got 5 on my team now and I made it very clear that whilst after a few years massive earning are possible in the first months a more reasonable £200 per month is what people should expect. Then when some get £280 they are delighted, I can then suggest perhaps replacement books or extras etc. It is hard work and certainly not for everyone, I make it VERY clear what is involved when I recruit, it's no use getting someone involved who frankly isn't totally aware of whats involved.Buying them rounds books , stampers, extra bags, ream of paper for labels etc - all cost me money before they even earn a penny. Before I even go to see anyone after sending a brochure , upgrading to DVD , I make it clear what is involved. I send a fact sheet with facts, figures and costs with the DVD so if they want to proceed and I go to see them everyone is fully aware of the reality of the situation.

Posted April 16, 2008

Gary - toward the end of last year Kleeneze moved it's whole operation from Bristol to Accrington . New state of the art warehousing, new computer systems , new staff - that all came off the top line. Here on the *front line* it seems to be OK - if some bloke wants to order a patio brush and cleaner he will (and does)

Posted April 15, 2008

Some facts needed here again, It's £160 for the starter kit which is the chance to own your own business - it isn't a job, it's a home business. There are no guarantees of income - it plainly states this on the forms you sign at the beginning. There IS a charge for the startup business kit - this is made clear in the information pack, you have a get out clause or cool off period for 14 days . It's all in the information pack. As to signing up others - their earnings are ONLY calculated with yours and bonuses paid on those calculations - this is not a pyramid , that has been illegal since 1973. At the end of the month then the bonuses are calculated - BUT the people MUST be putting in orders. No bonuses just for being signed up. It's very simple indeed - in NO WAY am I out of pocket because of bonuses paid to my upline. The fact that someone has a bad back before they started is irrelevant . Lets keep the comments realistic and factual. Kleeneze isn't for everyone but it works for many

Posted April 15, 2008

I agree, Gary. Added to the fact that around 97% of distributors pack it in! I wonder whay that is eh?? hmmmmm................. And, please!!! don't any current reps tell me that Kleeneze works it's people that don't!!!!!!!! 97% drop out rate, doesn't that tell you something?? I actually think it's very insulting to imply or accuse that ALL those ex-reps didn't work hard enough. They left because mainly it's extremely hard graft for very, very little return. I'd say they were the ones that had their heads screwed on the right way.

Posted April 15, 2008

I don't understand how the pro kleeneze people can say that the time is right to join when Kleeneze themselves say that the chance of profit this year is 'substantially below market expectations' added to the fact that THEY MADE A BUSINESS LOSS OF 9.2 MLLION POUNDS only one year aggo I think due in part to Farepack losing money which is owned by KLEENEZE still the new shopping channel EEZEE TV should help them out as a company BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POOR REPS????

Posted April 14, 2008

home and then writing them down on their own order forms - why doesnt that suprise me...

And then to top it off, i noticed the ultimate one then - the ''uplines'' who are so helpfull are devious as anything - me and my friend signed in two people to our team, thinking it would cut down work load - funny we dont see any of the increased income for them, but our ''upline'' does...

Kleeneze's explanation?: It takes a few months before it shows on our accounts...

Sorry, Kleeneze = massive sham... I hate pyramid schemes and only tolerate this for my friend - but seriously, anyone with a right mind should avoid this like the plague... and i mean seriously... the plague is better than Kleeneze...

Posted April 12, 2008

Been working on this with my best mate for about 2 months... she is really optimistic of this working out... im not...

See, first off, the whole things a pyramid scheme, which is a massive failure right there, and topping that off, most of what they do is illegal from the get-go as well...

By law, they arent allowed to promise yew a guranteed income from this (which they do), they arent allowed to charge yew for a starter kit without refunding yew unless you make back ur cash within the first 28 days (which they fail to do), and finally they arent allowed to keep personal details on customers (which i also know they do)...

Also, my best friend does this to supplement her income coz she is on benifits, and i help out carrying everything coz she has a bad back...

Ironically, every area we go, we find four to five different Kleeneze distrubutors doing that area - ironic? i dont think so...

Is it also suprising that they are taking the order forms from each others catalogues

Posted April 12, 2008

Well i have just gone into my second week as a Kleeneze distributor and i am quite pleased with how its going. I have earnt about £100 for about 10 hours work ( if that), where would you get that in a regular. That is more an hour than my part time job. Not bad going, if i do say so myself.

Posted April 11, 2008

wakey wakey ppl,how many other jobs do you have to pay 200quid to get started,i was thinking about joining,untill i actually spoke to a rep,then i began to think,why on earth,would someone be happy sitting at home,wondering how many orders out of the 100 catalouges,put out ,would they get in,and do ppl really need kleeneze products so often,why dont the company just pay wages then im sure looking at the stars in their eyes,figures,the company would go far,instead of paying out that money they could just have a mail order catalouge,??????????

Posted April 08, 2008

hi after reading your comments on kleeneze i am having serious doubts. i am on benefits so was looking for something to boost my income till a found a part time job. i have just gave my details to a recruiter know i don't know what to do. yes,it sounds like hard work to build up a team to make these vast amounts of money,and sum people it didn't work out. am confused on what to do!!

Posted April 07, 2008

Great website. I joined Kleeneze last April, I was out of work, in debt and needed some sort of income. Right from the start I was hitting the 10% bonus, great! Lots of walking so I was getting fit and losing weight, wonderful. Met lots of nice people as customers. So I was happy. But wait a minute, why was my financial state getting worse, well my catalogue losses were way above 10% ("We threw it away", "My daughters taken it to her house 100 miles away", "Can't find it", etc, etc.), my fuel costs were astronomic (Deliver, collect, go back again and again, deliver products). My upline was enthusiastic - he had 15-20 sponsorship appointments every week and would be lucky to get 1 person on board and it was unusual if that person lasted 2 weeks. My upline travelled 500 miles a week sponsoring alone. If can't would for him with his boundless enthusiasm - it can't work for me.

Posted April 06, 2008

What a fantastic site this is. You guys are certainly giving my kleeneze business a real helping hand. Sorting out the wheat from the chaff so to speak. My figures and my customers certainly go agaist all the negative comments. I work with around 100 - 150 catalogues a week and regularly get orders on average of ?500 per week with the bonuses this gives me a Part Time income of ?700 per month just on the retail for working 10 hours a week. Which is a far cry from my professional job as a community nurse where I get paid ?900 for working 22 hours a week. Oh and we get fantastic support from all our upline & cross line who are now our friends. Come on why not try it for yourself instead of listening to other peoples misfortunes.

Posted April 06, 2008

Fortunately I never had big expectations of Kleeneze. I thought it would be hard work for small hourly return and it was. I can't be bothered with the motivational stuff. After more than 2 years I know that the only catalogues I will lose are old ones and that any distributors who come onto my patch won't last long. It's hard work for them and they soon find I'm not going away. Disappointments? I'm disappointed to find I didn't work as hard as I expected. But I still could.

Posted March 31, 2008

Not only that but I have also been introduced to an education that I would have missed. Self development, The Law of Attraction, etc!

Although this is not directly linked to Kleeneze I thank Kleeneze for introducing me to this as other wise I would never have considered it.

Its hard to explain to someone whos has not tried it what it is like. All I can say is that throughout life we are taylored that we cant achieve our dreams and then we fumble through.

Since applying goal setting and dreaming I have achieved things in a short space of time that are fantastic and I am much happier as I am achieving them and driving towards bigger dreams.

Kleeneze is such a vehical that you can do this rather than being stuck in a job with no prospects. It is not the only vehical and I take my hat off to anyone who has done well for themselves but it is one that you can get started for the smallest of investments and no qualifications and it does work!

I wish everyone the joy I have!

Posted March 28, 2008

I have only been in Kleeneze for nearly 2 years and it has changed my life.

You can make money from day 1 and you can achieve a royalty income.

My figures have increased each month along with my teams so even if the company has had a dip I can only comment on my increase.

I do spend a bit of time on it but my time is precious so would you rather spend it in front of the TV building nothing?

Now is the best time to join, the opportunity has never been so good. Home shopping is on the increase, network marketing as an industry is on the increase across the globe, we have acsess to people in Holland and Germany which was not available previously. The opportunity is better than ever.

Not only that as I say it has changed my life and its not all about the extra money I have been able to get to use towards little luxuries I would of missed either. I have been able to meet the most fantastic of motivational and positive people that are willing to help you better yourself.

Posted March 28, 2008

I did kleeneze about 7 years ago. It didn't work out for me then as i didn't have any support from my upline. I made a bit a bit of money, I didn't loose vast amounts of money. So what people are spending there money on i don't know. I have just very recently re-joind kleeneze, i've looked at the website and it looks good. The products nowadays are a lot more affordable and such a wide range of products too. My new upline are a lot more supportive even though i haven't got my kit yet. I think if you are prepared to put the work in you will get results. And for those who say about the loss of brochures, that is to be expected. I've done enough of this thing before not to go in with my eyes shut, you have to realistic..............

Posted March 28, 2008

CINDY - Kleeneze doesn't operate in France, you can't personally promote Kleeneze from France. Could you explain what you are actually on about please? Is this misinformation? Please lets stick to facts.

Posted March 28, 2008

So glad I read this first! I live in France and was going to promote Kleeneze over here...No chance now!

Posted March 27, 2008

Been doing Kleeneze for nearly 12 months.Kleeneze is structured to reward high achievers with higher % bonuses for those who put through more orders. So if you put through just a couple of hundred quids worth of orders, expect that to be eaten up by your costs,especially in the first 6 months when you don't have a base of regular customers. Put through a few thousand pounds worth of orders (am now doing over a grand myself a month and rising) and the higher level of bonus will absorb your costs. Don't believe the bitter, twisted people on here who tell you it's not possible..."It rained", "People were out when we went round", "we lost some catalogues". Well boo-hoo for you..my heart bleeds. There is a guy I am aware of in the business who gets up at 5am everyday and retails before going to work and then again every evening until 10PM. He does up to£10k a month in PERSONAL retail sales - no team members required. Kleeneze works, people don't.You may not like it, but the truth hurts eh?

Posted March 26, 2008

I've always said here that it isn't for everyone, yet I will say again that any re investment must be from the profits you make from Kleeneze. You must cut the cloth according. Sponsoring isn't impossible it has worked for me, retaining is up to the people you sign up - if it isn't for them then they won't stay.

Posted March 25, 2008

2 years I stuck it, lost a lot of money (and weight!) Before anyone trots out that lame old cliche 'Kleeneze works, it's people that don't', 30-40 hours per week on top of my day job, I'd call that working b***y hard!! Sponsoring and retaining was pretty impossible, too much work for too little (or negative) return.

Posted March 24, 2008

Don't Want It - So I suppose for that little ray of sunshine you'd like to help us all out by posting your address so everyone can avoid your house.

And posting stuff through your door is perfectly legal and won't land anyone in hot water at all .

Posted March 24, 2008

If you are a distributor in my Area Dont come to me I Throw ALL unwanted illegal mail in the bin. I am also a member of MPS and posting unwarranted mail can get you in hot water

Posted March 24, 2008

This needs some clarification, ExKleeneze as a bronze SED would be on near %uFFFD4K a month, having built up his own team that could have contained upto 40 people probably many more. To get there he must have recruited 100's, many folk find it isn't for them or their lives change and they leave. He knew all this just like I do and I've only just started, as Bronze if he did any catalogues he'd be doing customers only and would lose few if any books.4K is from royalty bonuses and not from Catalogues, his main concern would be team building and support like organising meetings etc.At 40K a year he'd have more than enough for this and knew what was expected years before having recruited people for years to get to gold. I'm not sure about the legitimacy of ExKleeneze at all and feel that the truth is the first casualty as always. Kleeneze isn't for everyone and I make sure everyone is fully aware of what they have to do - and it works, for me and the people I have recruited.Ask me anything!

Posted March 24, 2008

I agree with the majority on here. We worked hard for years managed to qualify for a European Conference, got up to Bronze to find our monthly pay dropped because of the way the plan worked. spent thousands each year attending all conferences and team meetings at least once a week over 150 miles away. All to be slagged off by our upline accusing us of not working. More people drop out than start, we were told by high up upline not to tell people the truth on the real costs, they just sit on their backsides reaping in the money while everyone else works, they never do catalogues and other than their 1st year in the busines never have. The best thing we ever did was leave kleeneze we have our life back to do what we want instead of speding hours chasing catalogues and customers for money. If you put the same effort into a conventional job/business you stand much better chance of received a regular honest income. I know so many people who quit kleenze & used to do well but not now

Posted March 21, 2008

Following on from the last post concerning Kleeneze Cheques.1) Some of the top earners have VAT included in "the cheque" so that is NOT their full earnings.2) If you look at all the "cheques" being displayed on various web sites they all seem to be about 4 years old.3) In any event they are NOT a true indication of earnings as they are income before business expenses.
Another valid point would be that all the people who say Kleeneze is great fail to mention the 95% of people who DON'T make money. A couple of years ago approx. 20,000 people joined Kleeneze in a one year period but what they also fail to tell you is that 20,000 also quit. Please don't insult everyones intelligence by suggesting that ALL of those people were lazy or "quitters". If your so called Kleeneze duplicatable system is so duplicatable why aren't more people duplicating?

Kleeneze is on the way out and if you guys in Kleeneze can't see that you want to start thinking for yourselves instead of the top earners.

Posted March 18, 2008

i was conned by kleeneze with their posh 1000 quid cars and stuff with the promise of making big money by getting loads on your team-the guy who interviewed me initially was a bob park based in newcastle who apparently had 5000 under him making about 1500 a week.i can tell u from personal experience that u usually get around 60 % of your catalogues back,30% in some areas,you constantly chasing not-at-homes for payment for goods and kleeneze keep sending broken goods out and cant be returned till the follo9wing week.each week u work for kleeneze u make less money and eventually u get in debt toi them and they advertise it as an extra income of 50-500 a week-to kleeneze not yourself-you're just the dogsbody who makes them the money

Posted March 14, 2008

Kleeneze is hard work for the returns and I feel that some allowance should be made to offset the cost of petrol which is crippling. If not then they could allow us to ask the client to pay a few pence toward the cost of delivery.
My gripe with the new company is, its a shambles.After collection of catalogues we find we have done quite well only to discover that many of the ordered items are not available, and this from the newly published catalogues. We then find we cannot make the figure required to to get free delivery.
As for the comments from some idiots who are doing well and start bad mouthing those who have failed I usually find it is those who are uneducated who are the most vociferous. Their bad grammar and speaks for itself. never mind dhe spelling. They should get a life. Better still get a spell checker and a thesaurus

Posted March 13, 2008

I was going to sign up tonight - another lucky escape, thx! x

Posted March 13, 2008

i was going to be part of this glad i haven't now.

Posted March 11, 2008

A reality check is needed noone is suggesting KLeeneze can give a fulltime wage from day 1. As to working abroad noone is saying that is equal to it get a fulltime job first then do this in your spare time as I and all the people I know do.I work shifts and so does my wife yet we do OK - I'm hoping to cut down the overtime I do with the money I get from Kleeneze. It's telling that the most vociferous comments come from those who it hasn't worked for - whycan't they accept it doesn't work for everyone. It certainly works for me and the three I sponsored, they are doing better than I did in their first month and will certainly get back all the £160 investment they made - after that all monies they make are their own. All understand about book losses and excess time it can take if not carefully controlled. But they are fired up and achieving more than they could have hoped. it isn't a scam, what people need is proper advice without obligation I could give an email add. if anyone needs it.

Posted March 11, 2008

This is'nt moaners corner. This is where all the people who have got a bit of sense come to. I was working and was told that i could do this along side my other job, RUBBISH. 4 years on and i have a real job. working abroad for £280 a day. Far more than i could ever earn in Kleeneze.

Posted March 09, 2008

Me and my girlfriend were sucked into the scam a few years ago aswell. I'm glad i've found this site, I thought it was only us that were easily lead. I was working long hours as a long distance wagon driver, and my girlfriend was working part time. I used to go to the meetings on wednesday(i started work at 3:00 in the morning)night at 21:00. we were told that this was minimum hours and minimum effort on our part, an easy way to make money. RUBBISH. Don't do it. save yourselves, pass the word around and then no one you know get's ripped off aswell.

Posted March 09, 2008

OH I SEE WE HAVE FOUND THE MOANERS CORNERS, IN EVERY WORK PLACE THERE IS A MOANERS CORNER AND THIS IS IT.
MOANING ABOUT THE WAGES, THE STAFF, THE HOURS, THE COMPANY ETC.
WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS, YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE OR EVEN A J.O.B.
KLEENEZE IS NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME I THINK HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MOANERS CORNER THINK THEY GOT INTO KLEENEZE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD GET RICH FOR NOT WORKING AT IT.
KLEENEZE IS A 2 TO 5 YEAR PLAN NOT A 2 TO 5 MONTH.
THE THING WITH KLEENEZE IS ITS TO CHEAP TO GET STARTED. AND TO MANY NO HOPERS CAN EASILY GET STARTED BECAUSE THERE IS NO INTERVIEW.
THAT'S BEGINS WHEN YOU START THE WORK.
YOUR NOT WORKERS YOUR SHIRKERS.

Posted March 09, 2008

As I said I'd come back and give some positive feedback. I'm doing very well indeed and by putting some leaflets through doors we've recruited 3 new people . I've given them lots of support - rounds books, stampers, loads of extra bags , packs of copier paper etc etc. All three had said they wanted about £200 a month and had limited time to spend doing this - two of them will reach the 10% level this month and the other will next month easily. All have got what they wanted and more easily getting back their initial joing fee of £160. I'm supplying them with a new box of catalogues to rplace losses and Kleeneze will give them a box free as a reward for 10%.

It's not for everyone for sure but the three I found are from opposite ends of social scales and backgrounds. All exceeded the £1 for their first drop and one got £300 for a drop of 200 books (no order larger than £25) . It isn't for everyone but don't dismiss it because a few couldn't get it to work - everyone is different.

Posted March 09, 2008

i have just recently applied for kleeneze.i have an interviewer coming to my house in a couple of weeks.after reading the comments i think im going to cancel my appointment.it sounds to me like i could lose money before i make any and i cannot afford to lose!thats why i thought about kleeneze just earn some extra money and pay off some cards!im definetely reconsidering!!

Posted March 03, 2008

I joined Keeneze a few weeks ago but am going to leave. I'm not lazy, I've been working v hard but feel I was misled by my upline. He didn't mention that once I'd paid for my books I'd lose almost three quarters in the first week even after going back twice, or that I'd have to get orders for over £250 or have to pay £20 p&p. I was sold it as a quick way to earn pocket money, not a business that will take at least a year to build up. I only wanted to do it temporarily anyway so if my upline had warned me about that I would have known it wasn't right for me. I'm not prepared to pay out more money when I've only earned about £20 already. If you're recruiting, please just be honest with people about the hard work and time it takes and the fact that you'll need to pay out quite a bit before you get anything back - then you'll get less dropouts.

Posted March 03, 2008

I think it's disgusting the way failed distributors are putting people of just because they couldn't make it work for them. I've been a distributor for 6 weeks, I have sponsored 2 people and get full support from my upline. Sponsoring by word of mouth costs nothing, our upline has told us NOT to place newspaper ads until we are earning more, Not to spend money on advertising until we can afford it, ONLY to spend money on keeping our catalogue stocks up, until we have a sound customer base. If you went into this business with your eyes shut and spent more than you earned then thats your mistake. I think I can make it in this business, if no, then all I will have lost is a bit of my time, as I have already earned more than the cost of the startup and catalogues. do you feel good about the fact that someone could have changed their lives for the better had they joined instead of reading you resentfull dross? Who are you to dampen my enthusiasm? It'slike the looery, IT COULD BE YOU.

Posted March 03, 2008

took a while to find this site and thank god i did,was thinking about doing this to earn some much needed extra money but the paying out for the catalogues i found to be very concerning, if you earn as much as they say you do then why should you have to shell out in the first place.

Posted February 24, 2008

Im sick to death of applying for jobs on line only to find that its another klean easy scam!

I did this a year ago, worked hard at it and lost 80.00GBP and hours of time.

Its not worth it in the UK

Posted February 24, 2008

My son and his girlfriend took on kleeneze after promises of how easy it was for few hours per week to earn £100's each week, hmmm well after about 6 months of paying out for catelogues stationary,petrol for hours n hours work, endless nights of roping in myself/ other members to help bag up catelogues and help deliver/collect them for hours on end. They worked really hard with postitive attitude despite my by doubts, they did endless trips back to homes to try n either collect catalogues or deliver items ordered, they were left with odd items each month undelivered / not paid for and out of pocket, catalogues had to be replenished often, other kleeneze distributors often stole their round they thought they were building up, which meant going further afield. They finaly gave up after 6months of dammed hard work and long hours that exceeded the stated few hours each week and out of pocket by £100's of pounds.
Kleeneze - what a rip of

Posted February 21, 2008

You don't have to be a mastermind to realise that the 'few' positive Kleeneze remarks are from the 'few' people at the top of this 'Pyramid Scheme', who are still looking for naive & vunerable people to earn money from them. The 'many' negative remarks are from us real people, who are referred to by these 'Pyramid Sharks' as 'lazy' & 'we don't put the effort in'. Oh we've put the effort in alright but we've been sold a dummy from you, for Kleeneze to be a legitimate way for us to make a modest living. FACT: IT WILL NOT WORK FOR OVER 99% OF PEOPLE - HARDWORKERS OR SLACKERS.

Posted February 20, 2008

Somebody was trying to recruit me into Kleeneze not a hope in hells chance now I've done my home work!!!!

Posted February 18, 2008

ok, this doesnt sound good, should have seen this a few weeks ago...
Anyway paid m