Who is Krishnamurti : Jiddu & U.G.
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Jiddu Krishnamurti vs. U.G. Krishnamurti
This is a disambiguation lens. There are two famous Krishnamurti's in the world of Spirituality. They knew each other. They had similar teachings. Both were anti-guru's. U.G. Krishnamurti was so against being a guru that he didn't give many lectures. He stopped when his lectures became popular. Jiddu Krishnamurti chose to abandon the spiritual organisation that was made for him and went his own way, teaching all his life.
Krishnamurti felt we should each find our own Truth
Three reasons I love Krishnamurti
Jiddu and U.G. were both inspiring in similar ways...
- Both Krishnamurtis have my admiration for being different and thinking outside the box.
- They were both extremely good at observing the personality: their own and other people's. Their insights will help people grow for centuries.
- I love Jiddu Krishnamurti's devotion to education. He founded schools in India, England and Australia.
Why are they both called 'Krishnamurti'? Were they related?
Southern Indian names - Brahmins
It was customary in India, during colonial times (and to some extent still), to use the Western abbreviation-system for names, even if the naming system was different. So the first names were abbreviated, even though they weren't the personal name, but the family name.
Of added interest is that Jiddu Krishnamurti was named Krishnamurti because he was the eighth child - named after Krishna who was an eighth child himself. When Krishnamurti was young he was usually called Krishna.
Jiddu Krishnamurti introduced
Jiddu Krishnamurti (May 11, 1895-February 17, 1986), was born in Madanapalle, Andhra Pradesh, India and discovered, in 1909, as a teenager by C.W. Leadbeater on the private beach at the Theosophical headquarters at Adyar in Chennai, India. He was subsequently raised under the tutelage of Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater within the world-wide organization of the Theosophical Society, who believed him to be a vehicle for a prophesied World Teacher.As a young man, he disavowed this destiny and also dissolved the Order established to support it, and eventually spent the rest of his life travelling the world as an individual speaker and educator on the workings of the human mind. At age 90 he addressed the United Nations on the subject of peace and awareness, and was awarded the 1984 UN Peace Medal. He gave his last talk in India a month before his death, in 1986, in Ojai, California.
Source of this biography
A teaser: a Jiddu Krishnamurti quote
One has to know what it means to be alone, what it is to meditate, what it is to die;
and the implications of solitude, of meditation, of death, can be known only by seeking them out.
These implications cannot be taught, they must be learnt.
One can indicate, but learning by what is indicated is not the experiencing of solitude or meditation.
To experience what is solitude and what is meditation, one must be in in a state of inquiry; only a mind that is in a state of inquiry is capable of learning.
But when inquiry is suppressed by previous knowledge, or by the authority and experience of another, then learning becomes mere imitation, and imitation causes a human being to repeat what is learnt without experiencing it.
From the Book, "Life Ahead" by Krishnamurti
U.G. Krishnamurti introduced
Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti (July 9, 1918 - March 22, 2007), better known as U.G. Krishnamurti, or just U.G., was a speaker and philosopher, often known as an "anti-guru" or as "the man who refused to be a guru".I have no message for mankind.
This is how U.G. Krishnamurti often summed up his own proclamations, denying any value others may want to bestow them with. Yet in articulating this statement, he for all intents and purposes put forth an enveloping philosophy - one which prompted others to label him at various times as "anti-guru", "the nihilist of enlightenment", and "a spiritual terrorist".
In U.G.'s definition, "A guru is one who tells you to throw away all the crutches that we have been made to believe are essential for our survival. He would ask you to walk, and he would say that if you fall, you will arise and walk." He refused to be called a guru, vociferously opposed all notions of enlightenment and spirituality, and attacked all aspects of human thought and thinking. To that end he even defied his own utterances, denying them any importance.
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We don't need help on the spiritual path?
Or do we?
How do you sit on the paradox of a spiritual teacher who teaches that we don't need a spiritual teacher - we just need to look inside ourselves and learn from everything....
Doe we need help on the spiritual path?
Fetching blurbs now... please stand byYes, absolutely.
nevermind says:
Depends on what is meant by help. J.K. never denied the possibility of communication. U.G. used to say that "no communication is possible, and none is necessary", but still continued to talk. Both also denied the whole idea of a path.
The basic idea seems to be that any demand for help is an escape from discontent. J.K. says: "That timeless state can come only when there is a tremendous discontent (...) that has no outlet, that has no escape, that is no longer seeking fulfillment."
U.G. simply says: "That hunger must burn itself out."
Posted January 19, 2012
abc says:
no
Posted January 12, 2012
JaguarJulie says:
I've got to say that as I get older I need ALL the HELP I can get!
Posted July 25, 2009
spirituality says:
We do need help on the spiritual path. Sure - at the end of it, we don't... Spiritual maturity means standing on your own two feet. BUT most of us simply do need help to find our way in life. I feel both Krishnamurti's, however insightful they were, went too far in stressing independence.
Posted March 22, 2008
No, we can do it all ourselves.
Ayn Sof says:
No, but we need help with everything else, like getting this damn applet to work.
Posted January 13, 2011
Ein Sof says:
We need help only until the point at which we realize we don't need help and have never needed help.
Posted January 13, 2011
radha says:
Nope, it is an individual journey, only the self need to understand. No matter what the great minds say, it is the mind that needs to realise to go on towards the journey!
Posted November 27, 2010
Pete S says:
I don't know anything. It's not a "cool" I don't know.
It is an empty I don't know.
Posted April 22, 2008
So - which do you prefer - Jiddu or U.G.?
Jiddu Krishnamurti: spiritual teacher all his life, yet an anti-guru.
U.G. Krishnamurti: lived a withdrawn life, married, had kids. Refused to lecture after gaining popularity.
What do you think of Krishnamurti? either one...
Share your stories, sightings, thoughts, rants, raves...
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nevermind
Jan 19, 2012 @ 2:36 pm | delete
- One thing that amazes me in both Krishanmurtis is that they never got tired of repeating the same things millions of times. If you read the unedited transcripts of Krishnamurti's last talks, the amount of repetition is striking. With U.G., the repetition almost makes it seem like he's insane! And yet, people often felt some kind of freshness in their speech, even after decades of listening.
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onthespot
Mar 16, 2011 @ 9:04 pm | delete
- At the core of it, U G's teaching is a copy of Jiddu's. Smart U G practiced it and kept contradicting everything so that his point of view (to negate all points of views) appeals to those logically inclined. And lo there is ample evidence it clicked.
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tango
Dec 29, 2010 @ 12:28 pm | delete
- Osho: the other day I was reading a lecture of U. G. Krishnamurti. He says he went to see Ramana Maharshi. He was not attracted - because he was chopping vegetables. Yes, Ramana Maharshi was that kind of man, very ordinary. Chopping vegetables! U. G. Krishnamurti must have gone to see somebody extraordinary sitting on a golden throne or something. Ramana Maharshi just sitting on the floor and chopping vegetables? preparing vegetables for the kitchen! He was very much frustrated. Then another day he went and saw him reading jokes. Finished for ever! This man knows nothing. This man is very ordinary. He left the ashram; it was not worth it. But I would like to say to you: this man, Ramana Maharshi, is one of the greatest Buddhas ever born to the world. That was his Buddhahood in action! U. G. Krishnamurti must have been in search of a pretender. He could not see the ordinariness and the beauty of it and the grace of it. And this same man, U. G. Krishnamurti, lived with Swami Sivanand of Rishikesh for seven years - and that chap was just stupid - and practised yoga with him. And after seven years he recognized that he has nothing; but after seven years, he took seven years. That simply shows that he also has a mighty dull mind. Seven years to see that Sivanand has nothing. Seven seconds are more than enough! And with Ramana Maharshi, seven seconds were enough - because he saw him chopping vegetables or reading jokes, looking at cartoons. That's how the ordinary mind, the egoistic mind functions. The ego is always searching for something bigger, some bigger ego. And the true sage has no ego; he is an ordinary man. He is utterly ordinary - that is his extraordinariness! I would like to say to U. G. Krishnamurti: he should have looked in the eyes of Ramana Maharshi. He looked only at the hands which were chopping vegetables. He should have looked into his eyes - with what love he was chopping the vegetables. He should have looked into his eyes to see what love he was. He was the Real Man. There is only one indication and that is love. But to understand love you have to be a little silent, a little loving, a little open. If you are full of prejudices about how the enlightened man should be, then you will go on missing. You should not have any prejudices. Just look into the eyes of a real man, and suddenly something will start stirring in your heart too. Tears will come to your eyes, your energy will have a great delight, your heart will throb with new vigour. Your soul will spread its wings.
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Fergus
Feb 20, 2011 @ 9:40 pm | delete
- Have I recently looked into the eyes of the person sitting next to you in the bus just as he/she would have been Ramana Maharshi? How is that person any different from Ramana Maharshi? This is what you should ask yourself. Here, you judge U.G., but there is nothing in U.G. that means anything to you.
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Samuel
May 27, 2011 @ 1:31 pm | delete
- Osho was a liar, as UG well said, 'the biggest pimp ever', and such a commentary is false, of course. UG in fact appreciated when he saw that Ramana was chopping vegetables and doing all those so-called 'ordinary' things, and what made him furious was that the guy told him "I have it ('enlightenment'), but can you take it?", that was an insult to UG who was pondering: 'what is it that the bastard have that I don't? Why the hell he thinks he is something extraordinary, different from any other being?", then UG left and never listen to any of those bastards any more. Got it? Osho was a liar, a pimp, a filthy bastard, why the hell can you fall for his trap? Well, that's it.
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Hollandale
Oct 16, 2010 @ 7:00 pm | delete
- Jiddu, seems unbiased, a student of his own teachings. When I listen, I search myself, and I see truth. That's all that is important. I have no need.
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Skelter
Sep 26, 2010 @ 7:35 pm | delete
- don't have a glue*
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Skelter
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- UG was honest, really lived his own message, for real. Jiddu was a phony and this is the reason why UG stopped being related to him and the whole spiritual rubbish and thus had what he called "calamity" (we wait for something blissful, amazing, but it's pain and shatter you in pieces because it's the discovering by yourself, for yourself, that there's no self to realize, this is the opposite of what spiritual people wait for). If people read and listen to the things UG tell about Jiddu, denouncing him, they'll see that there's nothing to Jiddu and the whole gang at all, to use UG's own terms. All of them - from the past, living in the present and yet to be born, without an exception - are phony, they conned themselves and conned us all. Jiddu not even stopped being a guru even after supposedly have dismantled his organization (what was another lie), he never was honest, not even with himself. Jiddu used to sleep with the wife of his own best friend, forced her to have many abortions in order to cover up his true face, and many other things totally opposed to what he preached a lot everywhere. UG was honest and the only true one ever. UG was a true anti-guru, Jiddu was never a true guru, much less an anti-guru. Jiddu was a phony bastard. People like that Peeved bellow don't gave a glue about what they're saying, those brainwashed douchebags.
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ShawnMichel
Sep 20, 2008 @ 10:38 pm | delete
- Truth is a pathless land. So treating these two as though they are bringers of truth is necessarily in error.
That said, I believe both had something insightful to say to us all.
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Jesus
Aug 15, 2008 @ 2:14 pm | delete
- Both of them were hit by something behond our imagination, something that we can not speak about nor understand within our limited perspective. They were not the only ones, it is just evolution. They both became a truly human being.
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