Who is Krishnamurti : Jiddu & U.G.

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Jiddu Krishnamurti vs. U.G. Krishnamurti

This is a disambiguation lens. There are two famous Krishnamurti's in the world of Spirituality. They knew each other. They had similar teachings. Both were anti-guru's. U.G. Krishnamurti was so against being a guru that he didn't give many lectures. He stopped when his lectures became popular. Jiddu Krishnamurti chose to abandon the spiritual organisation that was made for him and went his own way, teaching all his life.

Krishnamurti felt we should each find our own Truth

Both Krishnamurti's stressed finding our own truth within ourselves. Authority is only good for learning about specialized information - not for finding out how to live. That's a job we each have to do ourselves.

Three reasons I love Krishnamurti 

Jiddu and U.G. were both inspiring in similar ways...

  1. Both Krishnamurtis have my admiration for being different and thinking outside the box.

  2. They were both extremely good at observing the personality: their own and other people's. Their insights will help people grow for centuries.

  3. I love Jiddu Krishnamurti's devotion to education. He founded schools in India, England and Australia.

Jiddu Krishnamurti - The Real Revolution: video 

Krishnamurti - The Real Revolution - Part 1 of 2

This 30-minute documentary is the first from an original series of eight made for television in 1966. They were the earliest sound-films of Krishnamurti speaking to audiences.

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Krishnamurti Pictures 

See Jiddu and UG.

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U.G. Krishnamurti

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the Young Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Older Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Jiddu Krishnamurti teaching

Video: Living Without Conflict - Jiddu Krishnamurti 

Living Without Conflict

Jiddu Krishnamurti speaks with a talk show host of the 60's about life, death, misery, conflict.

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Why are they both called 'Krishnamurti'? Were they related? 

Southern Indian names - Brahmins

Krishnamurti is, in both cases, the personal name. The family name of Jiddu Krishnamurti was Jiddu. In the same way the family name of U.G. Krishnamurti was Uppaluri.

It was customary in India, during colonial times (and to some extent still), to use the Western abbreviation-system for names, even if the naming system was different. So the first names were abbreviated, even though they weren't the personal name, but the family name.

Of added interest is that Jiddu Krishnamurti was named Krishnamurti because he was the eighth child - named after Krishna who was an eighth child himself. When Krishnamurti was young he was usually called Krishna.

Video of Jiddu Krishnamurti - It doesn't matter if you die for it 

Krishnamurti - It doesn't matter if you die for it - 1 of 5

Krishnamurti talking with children in 1984.

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Jiddu Krishnamurti introduced 

Jiddu Krishnamurti (May 11, 1895-February 17, 1986), was born in Madanapalle, Andhra Pradesh, India and discovered, in 1909, as a teenager by C.W. Leadbeater on the private beach at the Theosophical headquarters at Adyar in Chennai, India. He was subsequently raised under the tutelage of Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater within the world-wide organization of the Theosophical Society, who believed him to be a vehicle for a prophesied World Teacher.

As a young man, he disavowed this destiny and also dissolved the Order established to support it, and eventually spent the rest of his life travelling the world as an individual speaker and educator on the workings of the human mind. At age 90 he addressed the United Nations on the subject of peace and awareness, and was awarded the 1984 UN Peace Medal. He gave his last talk in India a month before his death, in 1986, in Ojai, California.

Source of this biography

Jiddu Krishnamurti video - England, the 80's 

Jiddu Krishnamurti

Jiddu Krishnamurti in England 1985 www.jkrishnamurti.org

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A teaser: a Jiddu Krishnamurti quote 

For the total development of the human being, solitude as a means of cultivating sensitivity becomes a necessity.
One has to know what it means to be alone, what it is to meditate, what it is to die;
and the implications of solitude, of meditation, of death, can be known only by seeking them out.
These implications cannot be taught, they must be learnt.
One can indicate, but learning by what is indicated is not the experiencing of solitude or meditation.
To experience what is solitude and what is meditation, one must be in in a state of inquiry; only a mind that is in a state of inquiry is capable of learning.
But when inquiry is suppressed by previous knowledge, or by the authority and experience of another, then learning becomes mere imitation, and imitation causes a human being to repeat what is learnt without experiencing it.


From the Book, "Life Ahead" by Krishnamurti

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U.G. Krishnamurti introduced 

Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti (July 9, 1918 - March 22, 2007), better known as U.G. Krishnamurti, or just U.G., was a speaker and philosopher, often known as an "anti-guru" or as "the man who refused to be a guru".

I have no message for mankind.

This is how U.G. Krishnamurti often summed up his own proclamations, denying any value others may want to bestow them with. Yet in articulating this statement, he for all intents and purposes put forth an enveloping philosophy - one which prompted others to label him at various times as "anti-guru", "the nihilist of enlightenment", and "a spiritual terrorist".

In U.G.'s definition, "A guru is one who tells you to throw away all the crutches that we have been made to believe are essential for our survival. He would ask you to walk, and he would say that if you fall, you will arise and walk." He refused to be called a guru, vociferously opposed all notions of enlightenment and spirituality, and attacked all aspects of human thought and thinking. To that end he even defied his own utterances, denying them any importance.

From wikipedia

U.G. Krishnamurti video - unique footage 

U.G. Krishnamurti

The great debunker of any belief system talks with Luc Sala in Amsterdam about "The black hole of (any) belief", from disease to divinity. UG died 22 march 2007. A critical interview.

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U. G. Krishnamurti - Parting Message 

U. G. Krishnamurti - Parting Message

UG's parting message to his friends was: "I will Rot like a Garden Slug". That his life has no value of significance to anyone. More Info see Essential UG. http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/ug_video/eoe/

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Another teaser: a U.G. Krishnamurti quote 

Anger as such is something you don't know. You are all the time controlling, suppressing, living with or choicelessly aware--you are all the time doing something with what is not there any more. It is already gone. It is the thinking that results in hitting somebody--your child, for example--and not the anger. You are attributing it to something that is not there any longer. That has set in motion this nonsensical movement of thought. So it is not the anger but the frustration that is your problem. You are not dealing with desire. Desire is life. If you destroy desire you are destroying life. It is there--not must be there--whether you like it or not. Have you freed yourself from desire? Don't say `good desires', `bad desires', `spiritual desires' and `material desires'. They are all the same. What you are going to do with the desires is all that you are interested in."

http://www.julius.it/ugkrishnamurti/docs/UG_Quotes.asp

UG Krishnamurti- There Is No Death For The Body 

UG Krishnamurti- There Is No Death For The Body

UG very vehemently asserts that there is not death for the body. This conversation took place during last month of his life in Italy. More info. see "Essential UG". http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/ug_video/eoe/

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We don't need help on the spiritual path? 

Or do we?

How do you sit on the paradox of a spiritual teacher who teaches that we don't need a spiritual teacher - we just need to look inside ourselves and learn from everything....

Doe we need help on the spiritual path?

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Yes, absolutely.

spirituality says:

We do need help on the spiritual path. Sure - at the end of it, we don't... Spiritual maturity means standing on your own two feet. BUT most of us simply do need help to find our way in life. I feel both Krishnamurti's, however insightful they were, went too far in stressing independence.

No, we can do it all ourselves.

Pete S says:

I don't know anything. It's not a "cool" I don't know.

It is an empty I don't know.

 
 
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So - which do you prefer - Jiddu or U.G.? 

Jiddu Krishnamurti: spiritual teacher all his life, yet an anti-guru.
U.G. Krishnamurti: lived a withdrawn life, married, had kids. Refused to lecture after gaining popularity.

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What do you think of Krishnamurti? either one... 

Share your stories, sightings, thoughts, rants, raves...

ShawnMichel wrote...

Truth is a pathless land. So treating these two as though they are bringers of truth is necessarily in error.

That said, I believe both had something insightful to say to us all.

ReplyPosted September 20, 2008

Lensmaster

Jesus wrote

Both of them were hit by something behond our imagination, something that we can not speak about nor understand within our limited perspective. They were not the only ones, it is just evolution. They both became a truly human being.

Reply Posted August 15, 2008

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Peeved wrote

What an inapproriate comparison. JK was a spiritual giant and truly original. UG was an imposter whose only ability was to argue and argue endlessly. A lot of garbage from a man who supposedly had no teaching to offer. The hurt on hearing the truth about him from Ramana Maharshi and JK seems to have hurt UG very deeply until the very end of his life.

Reply Posted July 23, 2008

Lensmaster

krishna wrote

ug is is unique and lead his life,almost in a way he was talking about (not preaching!).Cannot think of any other person ,religious or otherwise so far in my life!

Reply Posted July 09, 2008

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Pete S. wrote

I don't know. . .really.

Reply Posted April 22, 2008

Lensmaster

Y V Chawla wrote

The human mind is programmed.
whatever you say or I say or any body says is coming from the programmed mind. There is no way this programming can be undone.
To see this, to understand this is the end of the game.
There is no 'how to' do it. It will still be within the programmed structure.
Mind is helpless in solving the mystery.
Seeing one's helplessness puts one with the mystery.
Y V chawla
http://www.fundamentalexpressions.com

Reply Posted April 16, 2008

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David N wrote

The two most important thinkers ever!

Reply Posted October 25, 2007

So, what do you think of these anti-guru's? 

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