Men's Rights Movement vs. Feminism
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Men's Rights Activists vs. Feminists: Which Side of the Battle are You On?
For decades, feminists have spoken out loudly against the biases and discrimination they face in the workplace, in education, and in achieving equal rights in society. They have spoken out to end abuse and to fight against a society that tends to blame the victim for sexual abuse and rape, instead of the rapist. Feminists have fought for the right to control what happens to their bodies, including the right to have an abortion. They believe we live in a patriarchal society and one which has been that way for centuries - if not thousands of years through the history of mankind.
The "Men's Rights Movement" (MRM) takes a different stance, and is in many ways a kind of anti-feminism. Men's rights activists (MRAs) believe we live in a matriarchal society that is constantly working to devalue the work, rights and humanity of men. They believe that men are not given equal rights as compared to women when it comes to custodial cases, divorce and alimony payments. They believe that women today are interested in "feminizing" and in a sense "emasculating" men by challenging the traditional roles of men in society - or, by expecting men to work and be the primary breadwinner in a family while the woman "sits at home and does nothing all day," reaping the benefits of her husband's hard labor.
Do you feel that the men's rights movement is correct in their positions? Or do you believe the MRM is a misguided and dangerous attack on the progress feminism has made in recent decades? Do we need to stop devaluing men in today's society, or are men so privileged they are simply lashing out at any attempts to challenge the patriarchy? Here is your chance to join the debate!
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Defining Terms: Feminism vs. Men's Rights
Know Your Words Before Getting in to the Debate
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Feminism
Wikipedia's definition of feminism begins as follows: "Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights and equal opportunities for women. Its concepts overlap with those of women's rights. Feminism is mainly focused on women's issues, but because feminism seeks gender equality, some feminists argue that men's liberation is therefore a necessary part of feminism, and that men are also harmed by sexism and gender roles. Feminists are 'person[s] whose beliefs and behavior[s] are based on feminism.'"
For more on defining and understanding feminism, see the excellent Feminism 101 Guide at Shakesville. -
Men's Rights and the Men's Rights Movement (MRM, or MRA for "Men's Rights Activist")
Again going to Wikipedia, we see Men's Rights described as follows: "The term men's rights refers to freedoms and rights of boys and men. This term is specifically related to focusing on rights which are protected for girls and women of all ages, yet inadequately protected for boys and men of all ages, and fall within the broader context of human rights. In essence, this term refers to human rights and dignity for men. Men's Rights relates to the role of men in contemporary society. Traditionally, this role has been largely influenced by the physical attributes of the man in his ability to provide protection and sustenance to his partner and offspring. This role, and the rights relating to it, has changed over time due to social, legal and religious influences. Various groups and movements have emerged in an effort to clearly define this role. The Men's Rights Movement (MRM) is concerned with the legal and societal rights of men, primarily in Western cultures. This includes disparity in conviction, sentencing, custody, matrimonial and alimony laws, as well as the alleged discrimination and degradation of males. -
Matriarchy
From Dictionary.com:
1. a family, society, community, or state governed by women.
2. a form of social organization in which the mother is head of the family, and in which descent is reckoned in the female line, the children belonging to the mother's clan; matriarchal system.
Origin: 1880-85; matri- + -archy -
Patriachy
From Dictionary.com:
1. a form of social organization in which the father is the supreme authority in the family, clan, or tribe and descent is reckoned in the male line, with the children belonging to the father's clan or tribe.
2.a society, community, or country based on this social organization.
Origin: 1555-65; < Greek patriarchÃa.
Question: Do we live in a patriarchy or matriarchy?
Who holds all the power in today's society?
What's your opinion? Is today's society, in the Western world, more of a matriarchy or a patriarchy? Who is really in charge, the men or the women?
Do you feel we live in a patriarchal or matriarchal world today?
It's a patriarchal world - men have all the privilege.
sousababy says:
Patriarchal - evidenced by women still only earning (at best) around 75% for every dollar that a man makes. Women have higher costs of living too (requiring 20 - 25% more for clothing, makeup & toiletries) and single mothers and elderly women have an almost doubled need of their current income (and this is in 2012)!
clairewalsh says:
I agree with Sockil, people do not even see the day to day privilege that men have. I see the opposing viewpoint regarding being forced to join the military as a male, but that is not in every society. For instance, in Israel, everyone has to serve. I believe in the volunteer-based system.
sockii says:
I believe we absolutely live in a patriarchal world. It is so insidious that many times we don't even see how gender bias is ingrained into our minds and how we choose to value men's works over women's, and how much women have to fight for every bit of recognition, freedom and privilege that men take for granted.
It's a matriachal world - women have all the privilege.
doodle says:
There is a reason why the suicide rate is exponentially higher in men than women.
Paul says:
on the face of it,you would think that it's a patriarchal world,and the assumption here is to explain the achievements of men,we need to see them as privileged.
putting this aside and looking at it from the state/government/society/laws and regulation angle;it's a MATRIARCHY.
1.while feminists were demanding (whining for) equality,they didn't actually want equality,while asking the federal government to provide equal funds to female and males in education, especially in sport,ignoring that the deference in the gender leads to a differences in interests and needs,they forgot that the government spends 6 times more on females than males,this lack of self reflection and some sort of dishonesty struck me first when looking into feminism.
2.another,example is women study,while we don't have men's study,this is a clear form of government discrimination.this was rectified by changing the name to gender study,but it's still actually women's study,another feminists lie.
3.quotas,while feminists declared that they are equal and seek equality,they were asking for quotas.this disingenuous behavior is another aspect of this movement and thus a female firefighter will get the job even though that she's not qualified while the qualified male will lose the opportunity to peruse his dream.
4.the criminal law when applied doesn't achieve justice,a female in the UK prepared Napalm (or substance similar to Napalm) and burned her
husband,she was sentence to 3.5 years,if that was a man then for sure a life time in jail,moreover she was awarded by feminists including Cherie Blair;in this day an age where we show compassion toward animals feminists failed to reach a decent level of humanity to condemn such acts.
5.family laws when applied,don't serve justice but injustice.
the presumption of the court is that the best interest of the child is having the mother,while the true assumption is having access to both the father and the mother,again the legislators were not objects but misguided by their bias to the female of the specie and thus equality was ignored for the false assumption and at no point the interest of the father was taken into consideration,given that the court will not release the father from his responsibilities to provide while violating his rights as a human (father).
6.Domestic violence ,all the regulations assumes that the victim is the woman and the perpetrator is the man and thus show a clear discrimination to the point that the police will remove a bleeding man as a suspect of DV while all the evidence points to his innocence, furthermore,the most of the times the police will not answer if the caller (victim) is the man.
6.A.Police statistics are manipulated to hide the fact that there is at least equal violence perpetrated by women,if not more;a case in London Ontario where a women killed her X-boyfriend because he broke up with her the day before the indecent was not counted as DV not even homicide and the stats released by the police station indicated that all homicides involving intimate partners were against women (1 case) while if this case was counted and others that we may not know about then it will be 50%-50%.
I believe that we live in a MATRIARCHY that hates or at least dislikes men and shows that bu biased laws and regulations.
Mary says:
It is unwise for anyone to choose a side as both feminism and the MRM/MRA are both radical movements marked in making their "Side" rule supreme. With that said, Feminism as gone too far in decrying the misdeeds of men. The current laws are bent in favor of women and their "issues." My advice to anyone with a brain would be to look at all gender situations carefully. If it is not ok to make the woman the butt of a joke, then it is not ok to make a man the butt of a joke is a mild example. If a man should not "put a woman in her place" then it is not proper for a woman to "put a man in his place" The MRA/MRM says they seek to make these things more equal, but if we are to learn of our fatal mistakes with feminism then anything seeking the sole benefit of men should be seen with the same suspicious eye as things only benefiting women. There are inequalities towards men that could not exist without feminism. However both moments seek to make things equal that are biologically or biblical (no matter what one's belief is) unable to be compared. Women as a gender have a set of strengths and weaknesses that men compliment and compensate for and men have a set of strengths and weaknesses women compliment and compensate for. When we ignore this truth the whole of society suffers for it. There are exceptions because there always must be, but as a general whole, men and women compliment each other when they are working together instead of against each other.
mcorrison says:
is socki aware that in many european countries, all boys are forced to join the military when they are 18 , or they go to jail?
and that in many of the same countries, women get to retire 5 years younger for full pension?
The Case for Feminism
Common Arguments of the Feminist Movement
Why Feminism Is Still Important - A Short List
What follows is a brief list of some common arguments from the feminist movement today - and how men's rights activists get things wrong. You can vote these statements up and down the list, as well as add your own that might be missing.
Women still don't have equality in the workplace no matter what gains have been made to date.
Women still have to fight for equal pay for equal more...1 point
Women in fiction and media are treated as nothing but sexual objects of desire.
Men are still the great action heroes, out to save more...1 point
Women are afraid to identify as "feminists" today because of anti-feminist propaganda.
When did "feminism" become a negative to more...1 point
"Abstinence-only" education, being incresingly promoted in schools is anti-feminist.
Abstinence-only education is just another way men more...1 point
Health care today is more expensive and harder to get for women than for men.
Women pay 30-40% more in health insurance than men more...1 point
Women who DON'T get full custody of their children, or don't have children at all, are treated as inferior by society.
The MRM says women hold all the cards when it come more...1 point
It is absurb to put forth the idea that straight, white men are somehow today an oppressed minority.
The MRM wants us to believe that men, who have hel more...0 points
We must stop blaming the victim in cases of violence and sexual assault against women.
Women who are raped or otherwise sexually harassed more...0 points
Men want to take away women's reproductive rights.
Women fought for years for safe and legal abortion more...0 points
Men's rights activists are just acting out in anger after bad experiences with women in their lives.
MRA's are often just bitter, angry men who are usi more...0 points
The Case for Feminism - and Against the MRM
Links That Prove Why We Still Need Feminism
These articles, essays and blogs make the case for feminism and what's wrong with the men's rights movement. Do you agree with them? Vote them up the list. Disagree? Vote them down. You can also add more articles if you know of good ones that should be added to make the case for feminism today stronger.
Why Feminism Still Matters
The women's rights movement has transformed every more...1 point
The answer to the gripes of men's rights activists is more feminism - The Good Men Project
When you believe that we live in a female-dominate more...0 points
To men's rights activists: Where's the activism? -Â David Futrelle - The Good Men Project
The movement isn't really about the issues at all- more...0 points
Ladies! Stop assaulting us by dressing like slutty sluts - man boobz
Oh, you foul, filthy women, why must you continue more...0 points
Hugo Schwyzer explains how a handful of men are angry for all the wrong reasons - The Good Men Project
How Men's Rights Activists Get Feminism Wrong0 points
One in Four
Sexual assault statistics0 points
Shakesville: The MRA Mirror
When MRA-types can be bothered to acknowledge rape more...0 points
Old Feminist: When Blogospheres Collide -- Feminism vs. MRA/MGTOW/PUA
If you follow any feminist blogs, you can't have m more...0 points
Oz Conservative: What is wrong with the men's rights movement?
The men's rights movement (MRM) continues to grow more...0 points
Why Anti-Feminism is Illogical, Unnecessary, Evil, and Incredibly Unsexy | Psychology Today
Satoshi Kanazawa is just so cute when he rails aga more...0 points
Feministe - In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set.
Feministe is one of the oldest feminist blogs onli more...0 points
Why Men Rule the World: A Serious Look At Why Feminism Still Matters | Amplify
As much as it pains my feminist heart to say this, more...0 points
The Bechdel Test for Women in Movies | Feminist Frequency
The Bechdel Test is a simple way to gauge the acti more...0 points
Feminism in the News
Some of the Latest Headlines On-Line About Feminism
- US nuns come out swinging against Vatican after 'radical feminist' claims
- By Dan Gilgoff, CNN (CNN) ? The leadership representing most of America's nuns came out swinging Friday against the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church, in the face of charges from the Vatican that the nuns are espousing ?radical feminism? and ...
- Can you make a feminist 'Snow White'?
- But as much as these works have attempted to make the character of Snow White more closely resemble the modern, independent female, there remains an anti-feminist message at the story's core. The Snow White story has always been about the rivalry ...
- Being a feminist in the Caribbean
- What does it mean to be a feminist in the Caribbean in 2012? On the heels of her participation in the gathering of young Caribbean feminists, dubbed Catch A Fyah, Zahra Airall addressed this fundamental question and the way forward for the movement.
- Gendered Toys: A Matter of Balance
- This friend and I have known each other since junior high and high school where, as part of our single-sex education, we were initiated into the rites of feminism by some of the original activists of its ?second wave.? So even though there were 43 ...
Social Justice in the News
Latest Headlines On-Line Related to Social Justice
- 5000 march for social justice in Tel Aviv
- By BEN HARTMAN TA, Haifa and J'lem protests held under the banner, ?All of the country out in the streets - bringing back the hope and justice.? Have the "social justice" protests of last summer come back? It may be too early to say, but on Saturday ...
- Solidarity is key to a reconciled Australia
- To mark the 20th anniversary of the High Court's recognition of native title today, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner, Mick Gooda, argues that changing our narrative on indigenous Australia begins with respect.
- Jewish Social Justice in Post-Apartheid South Africa?
- What would an Orthodox Social Justice movement look like in post-apartheid South Africa? What unique opportunities does the Jewish community have in 2012 to address the racial and economic dynamics that still plague the region?
- A Commitment to Social Justice
- The church also advocates for social justice. ?[Both the Unitarians and Universalists] were very committed to creating what we felt was heaven here on Earth,? said Walker. The church supported the Civil Rights Movement and currently advocates for ...
Sampling of Recent Feminist Blog Posts
What Feminists Are Talking About...Right Now!
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 6:35 pmThe Virtual Pub Is Open from Shakesville
- [Explanations: lol your fat. pathetic anger bread. hey your gay.]TFIF, Shakers!Belly up to the bar,and name your poison!
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 6:21 pm"The damage done by dieting can no longer be total... from Shakesville
- [Content Note: Food restricting; disordered eating.]Sue Thomason:I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open in shock. Good shock. All because I've read the report from the Body Image Inquiry. I knew...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 5:02 pmQuote of the Day from Shakesville
- [Content Note: Violence; misogyny.]"Let's hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators who won't abide the mandates they want to impose on the private sector."?Jay Townsend, Communications Direc...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 4:36 pmBushQuotes! from Shakesville
- Chapter 4, page 47:I spent much of my spare time with my fraternity brothers; they became life-long friends. One now works with me in the Governor's office, others have been business partners, and man...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 3:48 pmThe High Price of Privilege from Shakesville
- [Content Note: This post contains references to rape and sexual abuse, to homophobia and misogyny, and to institutional privilege upholding the same.] $20,000 a priest. That, apparently, is the price...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 3:33 pmTrayvon Martin Updates from Shakesville
- Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. has revoked bond for George Zimmerman and ordered Zimmerman to surrender within 48 hours, as a result of Zimmerman having lied to the court about...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 3:20 pmMy Intertubes! They Are Clogged! from Shakesville
- My internet has been sporadically going out for five or ten minutes at a time, randomly but increasingly frequently, for the past three weeks or so. A very nice dude from Comcast just came out to fix...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 1:43 pmDaily Dose of Cute from Shakesville
- The five furry residents of Shakes Manor, in descending age order:MatildaOliviaSophieDudleyZelda
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 12:23 pmNumber of the Day from Shakesville
- 69,000: The number of jobs added nationally in the US in May, less than half of the 150,000 jobs which were predicted and expected by economists. Whooooops.The official unemployment rate rose back to...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 11:42 amFriday Blogaround from Shakesville
- This blogaround brought to you by eggrolls.Recommended Reading:Jodi: PRENDA Dies in House as GOP Continues to Divert Attention From Real Problems by Instead Attacking WomenMaya: Where Are the Women? 2...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 11:34 amMRAs would rather complain about "male disposabili... from man boobz
- Men?s Rights Activists regularly complain that it is mostly men who serve in the armed forces, and that it is mostly male soldiers who are killed and injured in service to their country in wartime. MR...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 11:30 amTwo-Minute Nostalgia Sublime from Shakesville
- Richard Marx: "Right Here Waiting"
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The Case for Men's Rights
Common Arguments of the Men's Rights Movement
What Are Men's Rights Activists Fighting For?
What follows is a brief list of some common arguments from the men's rights movement today - and how feminism get things wrong. You can vote these statements up and down the list, as well as add your own that might be missing.
Feminists reject other women who find fulfillment in traditionally female roles and occupationgs.
In fighting so hard and loudly for an "equal more...0 points
Femisits want to remake men into weak, feminized versions of themselves.
This is misandry; instead of respecting the inhere more...0 points
Feminists want men to deny their natural sexual urges.
Women want the right to dress in skimpy, provocati more...0 points
The media is contributing to a negative image of men.
Sitcoms and other television shows portray men as more...0 points
Young boys are at a disadvantage in today's education system.
Boys are being misdiagnosed with learning disorder more...0 points
Men are falsely accused of sexual assault and abuse on a regular basis.
Men are frequently the victim of false accusations more...0 points
Men are losing their rights as fathers - or to chose not to be fathers.
If a woman gets pregnant, she holds all the rights more...0 points
Fathers' rights need to be protected in cases of divorce.
Women are almost always granted primary custody in more...0 points
Not all jobs are created equal - and some high paying ones are just more suited for men.
Women complain that they don't have equal access t more...0 points
There cannot be "full equality" between men and women because men and women are inherently different.
Feminists want to act as if there are no real diff more...0 points
The Case for Men's Rights - and Against Feminism
Links That Help Prove the Case for Men's Rights
These articles and essays make the case for men's rights and why they are needed today. Agree with them? Vote them up the list. Disagree? Vote them down. You can also add more articles if you know of good ones that should be added to make the case for men's rights stronger.
Where Feminists Have Gone Wrong | Psychology Today
From "none may" to "all/half must&q more...0 points
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Feminism/sexual_liberation-illuminati_subversion.htm
Sexual "Liberation" is Illuminati Subver more...0 points
Men's Rights and Misandry -Â Paul Elam - The Good Men Project
Feminist academics have often worked to promote th more...0 points
The top 10 issues of the Men's Rights Movement - The Good Men Project
Looking at the issues considered the biggest prior more...0 points
The Men's Rights Movement - dispelling some common myths « Exposing Feminism
Feminism purports to concern itself only with equa more...0 points
Feminism - from a former feminists' point of view | 100777.com
It is such an insidious and immense subject that I more...0 points
Resolved: Feminism is evil « A Voice for Men
You can count on me to pretty much consistently ca more...0 points
Why modern feminism is illogical, unnecessary, and evil | Psychology Today
Feminism is the radical notion that women are men.0 points
Feminism the greatest evil: the repudiation of life
Abortion represents more than a moral holocaust.0 points
MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way - Home
Homepage of the MGTOW movement.0 points
Mensactivism.org | Men's Rights News & Info
News from the Men's Rights Movement0 points
Men's Rights Online - Men's Movement, Men's Rights, Gender Issues, Equality, Civil Rights
Men's Rights Online contains statistical informati more...0 points
Men's Rights in the News
Some of the Latest Headlines Related to Men's Rights
- Men's Rights Group Backs GOP Violence Against Women Act To Protect 'True ...
- By Ashley Portero: Subscribe to Ashley's RSS feed Most women's rights and LGBT equality organizations may have joined forces to oppose House Republicans' version of the Violence Against Women Act, but there's at least one group coming to the GOP's ...
- Net widens on family violence
- Women's groups argue the changes tip the balance of family law back towards putting the safety of children first, while men's rights groups fear they will rob children of time with both parents. Under the changes, the Family Court will be required to ...
- A bride for Rivertis
- For it was no feminist who was uttering them, but men of different ages, all members of a growing men's rights movement in Meghalaya. And they echoed what women in the rest of India face every day ? the perils and pitfalls of being the secondary sex.
- Egyptian Elections: Economics and Politics Trump Women's Rights
- In fact, many of them seemed to consider women's rights a non-issue, and several women responded with surprise when asked whether they felt a lack of equality between women and men's rights. Fatima Reda, 20, a pretty veiled girl who is studying to be a ...
Anti-Feminism in the News
Latest Headlines On-Line Related to Anti-Feminism
- Schlafly: 'Liberals Seek To Destroy' American Ozzie And Harriet Families
- by David Badash on May 18, 2012 Conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly is the mother of the anti-feminism movement, and her Eagle Forum conservative interest group is very upset by the news that minority births in the US are now the majority.
- Red on the soles of his shoes
- His vertiginous, red-soled shoes stand accused of anti-feminism. This he dismisses, leaping into dangerous territory with both well-shod feet. ?Madonna is a feminist and has been doing more for the cause than all the grumpy feminists, who are giving ...
- Feature: Pacific Sun endorsements!
- And we need to beware of conservative women in this climate of increasing anti-feminism. But that really is coming from the anti-feminist backlash from men, intimidating far too many women into wanting to distance themselves even from their own rights.
- Forget Spanx - lipo patients' post-op 'faja' girdles are the style set's ...
- The faja, which takes its name from the Spanish word for wrap, was widely rejected by clothing retailers in the Seventies as it was considered too extreme as well as a symbol for anti-feminism at the time. Up until recently, it had been predominantly ...
Recent Blog Postings from the Men's Rights Movement
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 3:52 pmHow did Feminism Grow so Powerful? from The Spearhead
- Wednesday's post about how people (and women in particular) are wasting time, often while pursuing futile goals, has brought up some discussion of the origins of feminism in recent comments. There's s...
- Jun 1, 2012 @ 11:00 amComment of the Week: Scented Candles from The Spearhead
- Whenever someone writes something that gets some feminist rage going and attracts sputtering trolls, I know it must have made an impact. So, when some nasty comments started dropping into the moderati...
- May 31, 2012 @ 6:22 pmOn Child Support and Abortion from Mensactivism.org
- Article here. Excerpt: 'However, in Roe vs. Wade, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) ruled that the rights of the individual living mother outweighed the rights of the unborn child, and...
- May 31, 2012 @ 6:19 pmFemale sex offenders protected by the criminal jus... from Mensactivism.org
- Article here. Excerpt: 'Los Angeles, CA (May 30, 2012) Female sex offenders receive lighter sentences for the same crimes than males says a study recently published in Feminist Criminology, a SAGE jo...
- May 31, 2012 @ 2:25 pmHouse defeats bill to ban gender-based abortions from Mensactivism.org
- Article here. It appears these lawmakers are more outraged about the prospect of aborting a girl. I would like to think anyone who considers themselves pro-life would be equally concerned about both...
- May 31, 2012 @ 1:22 pmObama Honors Top Socialist/Feminist with Medal of... from Mensactivism.org
- Article here. Excerpt: 'President Barack Obama sparked more controversy after awarding the U.S. government?s highest civilian honor, the Medal of Freedom, to divisive labor activist Dolores Huerta, a...
- May 31, 2012 @ 6:29 amSenile Doctor Wants to Award $50,000 to Women Who... from The Spearhead
- Evan Evans, a retired OB/GYN from Utah, has proposed a bill that he thinks will obviate abortion. His idea is to force all unmarried fathers to fork over $50,000 to their babymommas. Leaving aside the...
- May 31, 2012 @ 1:21 amDept of State: "African Women Entrepreneurship Pro... from Mensactivism.org
- Link here. Excerpt: 'The African Women Entrepreneurship Program is an outreach, education, and engagement initiative that works with African women entrepreneurs to promote business growth; increase tr...
- May 30, 2012 @ 9:51 pmUK: Plans for women's quotas on company boards dro... from Mensactivism.org
- Article here. Excerpt: 'The move to drop the ?golden skirt? policy is a sign of ministers? commitment to strip red tape from companies to get the economy moving. Ministers said they were ?standing up...
- May 30, 2012 @ 9:49 pmMale-dominated boards will fall behind rivals, say... from Mensactivism.org
- Article here. Excerpt: 'Without women in senior posts, companies will lose touch with their customers and risk making ?flawed decisions? as a result of ?groupthink? by men, a report from the Departmen...
- May 30, 2012 @ 9:05 pmStudy: Women seek 'providers' from Mensactivism.org
- Article here. There isn't much new in terms of ideas in this article. I think it's been known for quite a long time. The main reason I am posting this is to point out the graphics that go along wit...
- May 30, 2012 @ 9:01 pmSAVE: June is False Allegations Awareness Month -... from Mensactivism.org
- June is False Allegations Awareness Month. Help us bring awareness to False Allegations of Abuse during the month of June. Here are some ideas to get you started. Like posting this link: http://www.sa...
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YOUR TURN! Which side of the debate are you on?
Feminists or Men's Rights Activists: Who gets it right?
Now's your chance to sound off. Tell me what you think. Do we need more feminism today, or is it time for the men to be heard and to get their rights back?
Which side of the debate gets it right: the Men's Rights Movement, or the Feminists?
The Men's Rights Movement
Chris says:
Feminists have never really wanted equality. While most of us grew up with the notion that feminism meant being for true equality between all people, I think it has been clearly obvious during the internet age that this was a big lie from the start.
When feminists routinely and actively promote laws that benefit and protect 51% of the population they clearly expose themselves to be an anti-male hate group.
From child custody, sexual harassment, false rape claims, alimony, car insurance, health care, marriage, dating, affirmative action, domestic violence, child abuse, and the proverbial "glass ceiling" to wage gap myth amongst many other categories it all favors women over men to a high level.
Just take a look at our culture. Lat year Sharon Osbourne (National television, CBS "The Talk") laughed profusely at a man having his genitals mutilated because his wife didn't like the fact that he wanted a divorce. The audience laughed right along with her. Did CBS do anything??? Nope not a thing.
Now imagine the women replaced with men. The topic: a woman being raped. Can you imagine the hell they would receive? Fired immediately and the show would have been pulled from the air.
Just 1 example of how "It's sexist only when men do it." Feminism created that culture and someone needs to end it.
Ed says:
I am with the MRA's. Feminist have failed to embrace true equality due to their insatiable appetite for victim hood. They not only desire a monopoly it, but present that monopoly as the starting point for every debate. The great irony is the white women of the movement who go around attacking white males as if they some how magically segregated themselves outside of the culture they are so critical of by virtue of their genitalia. The notion of the oppressed white women should be considered equal to the white oppressed man.
In reality there are individuals being victimized by established social conventions in every segment of humanity. Until we learn to appreciate the suffering of everyone we will have to do the tedious work of swinging the pendulum back and forth until everyone has been recognized as a human being capable of experiencing injustice and pain. True humanism will come one day, but feminism alone won't get us there.
Feminists
sousababy says:
Since I had to pick a side, I choose 'Feminists' however you are correct to identify that many of us do not like this word because of the negative connotations associated with it. I prefer to call myself a humanitarian - since we are all members of the human race. Feminism is really about equality . . just wish the word didn't get peoples' backs up.
sockii says:
I am a feminist. I believe that while much has been accomplished to improve the position and status of women in today's society, there is still so much more yet to be done. Of course there are extremists in every movement which can give that group a "bad name", feminists and MRAs both. But as a whole I believe strongly in the feminist movement and that it is necessary to help protect women's rights to equal opportunity, fair pay, reproductive rights, autonomy and health. We cannot take a step backward by somehow denying that the patriarchy still exists as it has for so much of mankind's history.
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Robert
Apr 9, 2012 @ 1:17 pm | delete
- When was teh last time you saw a man having access to affordable housing ?
Nothing is wrong with Feminism women should have rights but men are human also and the Mens Rights Movement isnt going to stop growing because women are upset men are losing their rights and
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sousababy
Mar 30, 2012 @ 10:45 am | delete
- Dearest sockii,
I decided to feature this on my lens: http://www.squidoo.com/womens-day
You included such a comprehensive listing of resources to educate folks. Sure hope it all meets with your approval - let me know (my Bio page, if you wish).
Sincerely,
Rose
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sockii
Mar 30, 2012 @ 10:20 pm | delete
- Totally fine with me - thanks! Glad you found the page worthy of linking to!
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sousababy
Mar 30, 2012 @ 10:30 am | delete
- Extremely well presented Sockii - deserves a google +1.
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sousababy
Mar 30, 2012 @ 10:30 am | delete
- Tell you the truth, in my careers . . I have found men to be more 'open' to my ambitions than women. When I studied prosthetics (making artificial limbs) and was purchasing my tools, women would say, 'Oh those aren't for you, are they?' Or they'd laugh when I told them I could weld. Odd, I know . . . some feminists happen to be male.
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