Ponzi -> Lies -> Scam
Bux.to, Isabelmarco, Titancash gang, NorthOwl scamming network, Taketheglobe, hundreds of 15 years old kids using ready scripts and a few more scammers ruined the PTC industry. If you want to lose money, just pick randomly a PTC and buy referrals. Even and the most "trusted" admins have stolen thousands of dollars. Seems that PTC now means Pay To Click, not Paid To Click...
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Released: 1-Jan-2009
Last update: 21-June-2009
Warning: There are no doubts, if you are a PTC owner/*** kisser you'll read things that you will not like at all. Better leave this site. Click here to leave site now.
Released: 1-Jan-2009
Last update: 21-June-2009
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Introduction
Almost all online investment programs have something in common: All are ponzi schemes. Money from new investors will be used to pay senior investors. It is very easy to understand that when the flow of new investors stops, the program collapses. Also after a while a ponzi scheme will require more and more new investors. These programs do not sell products or services: Owners are receiving money from person A and paying a percentage to person B. Actually a ponzi scheme has the philosophy: "Rob Peter (the new investor) to pay Paul (the senior investor)." A ponzi scheme has a simple but smart structure: Some members will receive payments and will spread the word that program "really" pays. Come, join & lose money!
Theoretically PTC stands for "Paid To Click". A PTC is (theoretically again) a program which creates a middle man connection: Advertisers are buying traffic and members are earning money visiting advertisers' websites. Here we can see the first disadvantage of a PTC: Members are forced to visit websites and are clicking only for money, not because are interested. Traffic quality from PTC sites is extremely low. Only if an advertiser wants to boost alexa ranking of his site will buy PTC traffic.
PTC sites have as only target to take advantage of some people's hope of gain. "The more you invest the more you'll earn" can be a good manipulating slogan. Most clickers are underage and it is easy to trick them, since an underage person has almost no experience in real life. If you are an underage person STOP clicking and quit PTC sites right now. And don't forget that you must be at least 18 years old in order to be eligible to create a Alertpay/Paypal account
PTC Sites are nothing more than ponzi schemes. And all ponzi schemes - no exceptions here - have a very painful death, for the investors of course.
We can say that there are two categories of PTC sites:
i) Bux sites: Sites paying more than $0.005/click with 50+% ref bonus. These programs are total scams. Traffic quality is extremely low, since everyone - owners and members - is interested only in referrals. Usually ads (only self sponsored, no one will pay $10+/1000 clicks) in a bux site are other bux sites with the ref link of the owner. Each time you receive payment from a bux another member (yes, someone like you) loses the same amount of money.
ii) Aurora sites: Sites paying $0.001-$0.0025 with 20%-40% ref bonus. Most of them have high payout, sometimes $5+. That's why most members will not be paid, because no one wants to click 6 months for $5 (minus PP/AP fees $4.50). And that's why these programs can survive even and for years. Traffic quality from aurora sites is still low (aurora are using non-friendly advertiser scripts too), forcing owners to use self sponsored ads, although some advertisers will buy traffic. That's because prices are lower, ~$3/1000. Aurora sites are unstable too, but in comparison with bux sites the ratio is 1:1.000.000, meaning that aurora are closer to the acronym PTC.
Theoretically PTC stands for "Paid To Click". A PTC is (theoretically again) a program which creates a middle man connection: Advertisers are buying traffic and members are earning money visiting advertisers' websites. Here we can see the first disadvantage of a PTC: Members are forced to visit websites and are clicking only for money, not because are interested. Traffic quality from PTC sites is extremely low. Only if an advertiser wants to boost alexa ranking of his site will buy PTC traffic.
PTC sites have as only target to take advantage of some people's hope of gain. "The more you invest the more you'll earn" can be a good manipulating slogan. Most clickers are underage and it is easy to trick them, since an underage person has almost no experience in real life. If you are an underage person STOP clicking and quit PTC sites right now. And don't forget that you must be at least 18 years old in order to be eligible to create a Alertpay/Paypal account
PTC Sites are nothing more than ponzi schemes. And all ponzi schemes - no exceptions here - have a very painful death, for the investors of course.
We can say that there are two categories of PTC sites:
i) Bux sites: Sites paying more than $0.005/click with 50+% ref bonus. These programs are total scams. Traffic quality is extremely low, since everyone - owners and members - is interested only in referrals. Usually ads (only self sponsored, no one will pay $10+/1000 clicks) in a bux site are other bux sites with the ref link of the owner. Each time you receive payment from a bux another member (yes, someone like you) loses the same amount of money.
ii) Aurora sites: Sites paying $0.001-$0.0025 with 20%-40% ref bonus. Most of them have high payout, sometimes $5+. That's why most members will not be paid, because no one wants to click 6 months for $5 (minus PP/AP fees $4.50). And that's why these programs can survive even and for years. Traffic quality from aurora sites is still low (aurora are using non-friendly advertiser scripts too), forcing owners to use self sponsored ads, although some advertisers will buy traffic. That's because prices are lower, ~$3/1000. Aurora sites are unstable too, but in comparison with bux sites the ratio is 1:1.000.000, meaning that aurora are closer to the acronym PTC.
Whoops!
But I got paid! My "favorite" bux is not a scam! Right? WRONG! All ponzi schemes will pay at the beginning. But failure is 100% guaranteed, no doubts for that.
Have you lost/earned money until now from PTC sites?
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Chapter 1: Advertisers
Where are they?
Paid To Click, right? Where are the advertisers then? The truth is that almost all PTC sites do not have advertisers. Because no one wants the expensive and low quality traffic a PTC offers. How low is PTC traffic quality? It can be considered and as a waste of server resources!
When you are clicking:
Do you watch the ad? Do you use escape button or stop, to prevent an ad to load, for faster surfing? Do you surf in multiple sites at the same time?
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It is not difficult to guess the answers in these questions, we have just found some good reasons which are explaining why most advertisers will not buy traffic from PTC sites.The average cost is $10/1000 clicks (bux sites). But this quality of traffic worths for less than $1/1000 clicks. Advertisers are not members of charity foundations and are looking for real humans only, humans who will be interested in (= buy) their products/services. Advertisers are NOT looking for robots or autoclicking software. It is common sense that, robots and autoclickers do not buy products/services, humans only can do that.
And yes, PTC sites are full of robots and autoclickers. Autoclickers also are doing a lot of damage and at PPC programs. But google is google and at least delivers interested visitors (plus the thousands coders who are working there), while a PTC can be a 15 year old kid with visitors who are not interested at all.
Although it is difficult to prove it with a screenshot (but you can do the same thing), here is an example: An ad at "taketheglobe.com" was about a video at youtube. Of course you know that youtube has a viewer counter.
Total views of this video: ~240.000
Total clicks of this ad at taketheglobe: ~290.000 (!)
Website received in the best case only the 80% of the total clicks!
How many users really watched this video: Good question!
An advertiser can't be sure even if he'll receive all the hits he bought. Only a few sites can "disable" Esc/Stop and at least advertisers will receive all hits.
Actually owners don't care at all. The last thing an owner will deal with, is the advertisers and therefore the ads. Most important is the script which controls the fake refs (bots).
And don't tell me that you didn't notice that: Most ads in a PTC are other PTC sites with a ref link!!. Also the majority of PTC sites are charging less than paying. Example: $10/1000 clicks, while site is paying $15/1000 clicks (user click + ref click). Even if a PTC has tons of advertisers will still lose money.
Almost all (99.9%) PTC sites do not have advertisers. Owners have to place self sponsored ads.
Taketheglobe.com used a different model: In order to attract advertisers, owner was selling ads only $25/100.000 clicks (a very good price for PTC hits), but was paying to his members $750/100.000 clicks! Because price was very low many advertisers bought traffic. That's how taketheglobe has 100+ ads. Admin of taketheglobe is accusing bux.to - bots and long payment delays, what else? - but he did exactly the same thing with his site: Bots and long payment delays!! Where is TTG now? RIP...
And yes, PTC sites are full of robots and autoclickers. Autoclickers also are doing a lot of damage and at PPC programs. But google is google and at least delivers interested visitors (plus the thousands coders who are working there), while a PTC can be a 15 year old kid with visitors who are not interested at all.
Although it is difficult to prove it with a screenshot (but you can do the same thing), here is an example: An ad at "taketheglobe.com" was about a video at youtube. Of course you know that youtube has a viewer counter.
Total views of this video: ~240.000
Total clicks of this ad at taketheglobe: ~290.000 (!)
Website received in the best case only the 80% of the total clicks!
How many users really watched this video: Good question!
An advertiser can't be sure even if he'll receive all the hits he bought. Only a few sites can "disable" Esc/Stop and at least advertisers will receive all hits.
Actually owners don't care at all. The last thing an owner will deal with, is the advertisers and therefore the ads. Most important is the script which controls the fake refs (bots).
And don't tell me that you didn't notice that: Most ads in a PTC are other PTC sites with a ref link!!. Also the majority of PTC sites are charging less than paying. Example: $10/1000 clicks, while site is paying $15/1000 clicks (user click + ref click). Even if a PTC has tons of advertisers will still lose money.
Almost all (99.9%) PTC sites do not have advertisers. Owners have to place self sponsored ads.
Taketheglobe.com used a different model: In order to attract advertisers, owner was selling ads only $25/100.000 clicks (a very good price for PTC hits), but was paying to his members $750/100.000 clicks! Because price was very low many advertisers bought traffic. That's how taketheglobe has 100+ ads. Admin of taketheglobe is accusing bux.to - bots and long payment delays, what else? - but he did exactly the same thing with his site: Bots and long payment delays!! Where is TTG now? RIP...
Chapter 2: Referrals
Bots, bots and bots
PTC Industry turned to a total scam mostly because of referrals. "Tell your friends and earn more" is the slogan. Yeah, right...
Ref bonus is 50-100% in most sites and it is very high of course. Ref bonus shouldn't be more than 30%, average 5-10%. Yes 5% ref bonus. It is very low, but very sustainable. Don't forget, we are talking about Paid To CLICK, not Paid To REFER.
A site which pays $0.01 per click, in total pays to its members $15-20/1000 clicks. Already we explained why advertisers will not pay more than $1/1000 for PTC traffic. Self sponsored ads is the only way and...
How owner earns money then?
Simple answer, very simple: Bots and premium memberships. I really wonder why a PTC has a "premium" membership option. Higher rates and more self sponsored ads are the benefits of premium membership. But why? Can you tell me a good reason?
Don't expect profit of course. In case #1 it is obvious that member will not have profit. In case #2 the result is a huge debt for site. Only a few lucky (and probably *** kissing) members will be paid, before site dies.
Why bots will not give you profit?
Bots don't click ads usually, because there is no reason to click: Almost all ads are... self-sponsored! Also owners, if are not fool enough, will not cheat the few advertisers they may have. Average price is $1/bot and usually this is the only income owner has from a bot. Since bots don't click on ads, there are no extra earnings from advertisers (if any). Income for site from bots is only the $1 members are paying per bot. If a bot is very active site will have loss. That's why in most cases bots will stop before the $1 limit, user will lose money not site.
Some retards (read below) do not have problem if their refs are bots! Bots are very active at the beginning. But after a few days, bots are "dying", sometimes all of them at the same day!
Owners have everyday available lots of 500 ref packs for sale. PTC sites with millions - according to their stats - of members, in their forums have only a few thousands registered members (bots don't talk obviously). Best example is bux.to: 12+ million members in main site and... ~65.000 in forums! (stats taken on August-2008)
Some admins admitted that only the 10-20% of their members are unreferred. Most members are registering following a ref link (downline builder, ref deals/exchanges/from a blog etc). How is it possible then, for a site with a few thousands members for example to have everyday plenty of 500 ref packs available?
Have a look at these screenshots (will open in a new tab):
Bots Pic 1 (admin of crewbux)
Bots Pic 2 (taketheglobe index - bot scripts)
Bots Pic 3 (timebux index - bot scripts)
Bots Pic 4 (reliableclix - lol, very reliable - hacked admin panel)
Bots Pic 5 (07bux - was using same script with bux.to - hacked admin panel)
Bots Pic 6 (taketheglobe - hacked admin panel)
How can I understand if a site sells bots?
Almost all PTC sites with "buy/rent refs option" are selling bots. Some sites may not sell bots, but are using other ponzi tricks such as multiple upline & split clicks. For example if a ref clicks 4 ads/day, 2 ads will be given to upline no1 and 2 to upline no2 etc.
If you want to buy referrals better burn your money. At least, fire will warm you!
Since most PTC sites are running with self sponsored ads, bots are unavoidable. To make it more clear: All PTC sites with "buy/rent refs option" are selling bots or are using other ponzi tricks.
Even and one of the biggest PTC sites, neobux.com sells rents bots. A smart bot script and smarter administrative team guarantee that most users will not understand that their refs are bots. The fact that ref names are masked is one important clue: Neobux admin does not want users to know the real names of their rented refs, because some of them may try to google the names and see if are real humans. Most standard members do not have profit from rented refs and some golden members are complaining too. Also many members (golden + std) do not know - their fault of course - that clicking all ads is necessary to receive ref clicks. Renting, recycling, golden upgrade packs (diamond, ultimate etc) will bring much more money than just selling refs and simple premium memberships. But most members will view just the 4 self sponsored ads/day... Officially of course the word "bots" is unknown for neobux, but for a strange reason well known scammers - bot sellers, are being tolerated (supported?) and investing there stolen "ptc" money!
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Ref bonus is 50-100% in most sites and it is very high of course. Ref bonus shouldn't be more than 30%, average 5-10%. Yes 5% ref bonus. It is very low, but very sustainable. Don't forget, we are talking about Paid To CLICK, not Paid To REFER.
A site which pays $0.01 per click, in total pays to its members $15-20/1000 clicks. Already we explained why advertisers will not pay more than $1/1000 for PTC traffic. Self sponsored ads is the only way and...
How owner earns money then?
Simple answer, very simple: Bots and premium memberships. I really wonder why a PTC has a "premium" membership option. Higher rates and more self sponsored ads are the benefits of premium membership. But why? Can you tell me a good reason?
Bot referrals = Fake referrals = Robots which will give you a few clicks and then stop OR Robots which will be very active and will give to member virtual profit and to site huge debts.
Don't expect profit of course. In case #1 it is obvious that member will not have profit. In case #2 the result is a huge debt for site. Only a few lucky (and probably *** kissing) members will be paid, before site dies.
Why bots will not give you profit?
Bots don't click ads usually, because there is no reason to click: Almost all ads are... self-sponsored! Also owners, if are not fool enough, will not cheat the few advertisers they may have. Average price is $1/bot and usually this is the only income owner has from a bot. Since bots don't click on ads, there are no extra earnings from advertisers (if any). Income for site from bots is only the $1 members are paying per bot. If a bot is very active site will have loss. That's why in most cases bots will stop before the $1 limit, user will lose money not site.
Some retards (read below) do not have problem if their refs are bots! Bots are very active at the beginning. But after a few days, bots are "dying", sometimes all of them at the same day!
Owners have everyday available lots of 500 ref packs for sale. PTC sites with millions - according to their stats - of members, in their forums have only a few thousands registered members (bots don't talk obviously). Best example is bux.to: 12+ million members in main site and... ~65.000 in forums! (stats taken on August-2008)
Some admins admitted that only the 10-20% of their members are unreferred. Most members are registering following a ref link (downline builder, ref deals/exchanges/from a blog etc). How is it possible then, for a site with a few thousands members for example to have everyday plenty of 500 ref packs available?
Have a look at these screenshots (will open in a new tab):
Bots Pic 1 (admin of crewbux)
Bots Pic 2 (taketheglobe index - bot scripts)
Bots Pic 3 (timebux index - bot scripts)
Bots Pic 4 (reliableclix - lol, very reliable - hacked admin panel)
Bots Pic 5 (07bux - was using same script with bux.to - hacked admin panel)
Bots Pic 6 (taketheglobe - hacked admin panel)
How can I understand if a site sells bots?
Almost all PTC sites with "buy/rent refs option" are selling bots. Some sites may not sell bots, but are using other ponzi tricks such as multiple upline & split clicks. For example if a ref clicks 4 ads/day, 2 ads will be given to upline no1 and 2 to upline no2 etc.
If you want to buy referrals better burn your money. At least, fire will warm you!
Since most PTC sites are running with self sponsored ads, bots are unavoidable. To make it more clear: All PTC sites with "buy/rent refs option" are selling bots or are using other ponzi tricks.
Even and one of the biggest PTC sites, neobux.com sells rents bots. A smart bot script and smarter administrative team guarantee that most users will not understand that their refs are bots. The fact that ref names are masked is one important clue: Neobux admin does not want users to know the real names of their rented refs, because some of them may try to google the names and see if are real humans. Most standard members do not have profit from rented refs and some golden members are complaining too. Also many members (golden + std) do not know - their fault of course - that clicking all ads is necessary to receive ref clicks. Renting, recycling, golden upgrade packs (diamond, ultimate etc) will bring much more money than just selling refs and simple premium memberships. But most members will view just the 4 self sponsored ads/day... Officially of course the word "bots" is unknown for neobux, but for a strange reason well known scammers - bot sellers, are being tolerated (supported?) and investing there stolen "ptc" money!
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Are you happy with their activity? Did you have earnings (in your Alertpay account)? Once again it is anonymous, feel free to vote
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Chapter 3: Payment delays
Pay instantly, get paid in 6+ months.
One of the biggest scammers, founder of incentria, clicksia, earn3, extra10 and buxout proved, with the waiting line feature, that long payment delays mean lack of funds. A "bux" site cannot pay more than 10-15 standard members everyday (average 3-5). FYI 60 business days are ~85 calendar days, almost 3 months. Usually within 90 days are being paid less than 500 members, while site can have for example thousands members!
Another scammer, owner of taketheglobe.com, with the same waiting line feature verified this statement.
Long payment delays mean that a site is trying to find money from bot/premium sales. Remember that advertisers are... absent! When site has problems (ponzi schemes will not last forever) payment delays are getting even longer, even and more than 60 business days. Poor reasons will be invented, such as "we have to double-check accounts, many users are cheating", "admin had an accident/is on holidays etc and will be back next week/month" and many more... And of course site has problems because members stopped investing, so simple! Finally site dies and owner can start a new one, using the same recipe.
Instant payments?
The truth is that instant payments are too risky. Only neobux.com seems to be safe from hacking attempts, because a team of programmers is working on site's security. I am sure that all members do not have problems with non instant payments, but with max delay 3 days. Remember, when you are investing you are paying them INSTANTLY. But most of them (if have such intentions) will pay you after months!
PTC sites which need to pay more than 3 days are unstable and will die soon or will turn to "bux.to" schemes.
Another scammer, owner of taketheglobe.com, with the same waiting line feature verified this statement.
Long payment delays mean that a site is trying to find money from bot/premium sales. Remember that advertisers are... absent! When site has problems (ponzi schemes will not last forever) payment delays are getting even longer, even and more than 60 business days. Poor reasons will be invented, such as "we have to double-check accounts, many users are cheating", "admin had an accident/is on holidays etc and will be back next week/month" and many more... And of course site has problems because members stopped investing, so simple! Finally site dies and owner can start a new one, using the same recipe.
Instant payments?
The truth is that instant payments are too risky. Only neobux.com seems to be safe from hacking attempts, because a team of programmers is working on site's security. I am sure that all members do not have problems with non instant payments, but with max delay 3 days. Remember, when you are investing you are paying them INSTANTLY. But most of them (if have such intentions) will pay you after months!
PTC sites which need to pay more than 3 days are unstable and will die soon or will turn to "bux.to" schemes.
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Chapter 4: PTC Scripts
rephrased, a house without doors and windows!
A script is the necessary software which is required by a (PTC) program in order to run. In this case ads, referrals (bots), balance, instant payments (if supported) etc will be controlled by the functions a script has.
Many programmmers created various PTC Scripts. These scripts are something like a PC game: Release, software is "on stores", legal sales (10%) & and illegal distribution, piracy (90%). Some programmers are thinking how to scam and that's why placed hidden backdoors to these scripts. Using these hidden backdoors, they could easily gain access to the admin panel and empty AP/PP account. Distrubutors of illegal copies can place of course extra backdoors.
Most PTC sites are not safe and against autoclicking attempts: Autoclicking software is updated often, in contrast with the majority of PTC sites, in which script is not updated because owners don't care/don't have money/don't know. All PTC scripts are not advertiser-friendly. There are tricks, which can help a member to avoid viewing an ad.
Most famous scripts
YourOwnBux, YOB: YOB was the most pirated script for the year 2008. This script made PTC ownership very easy. Download a warez copy of YOB, upload it and you are ready to scam! So simple. YOB creators placed hidden backdoors and as a result, sites using YOB are very vulnerable and can be hacked within seconds. Distributors of illegal copies placed their own backdoors.
bux_to_clone: Looks like bux.to. Same with YOB, backdoors can be found here too.
Securebux: Creator is a well known scammer, also creator of Gen2/3. Same with bux_to_clone and YOB.
Gen2/Gen3: Gen2 is open source (=free). Expect hundreds of new scams which will attempt to steal your money, during 2009. Gen2/3 supports instant payments, that's why candidate owners will prefer it. There are not doubts that creator, a known scammer, placed well hidden backdoors and can hack very easy Gen2/3 based sites. Distributors will place their own backdoors.
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Many programmmers created various PTC Scripts. These scripts are something like a PC game: Release, software is "on stores", legal sales (10%) & and illegal distribution, piracy (90%). Some programmers are thinking how to scam and that's why placed hidden backdoors to these scripts. Using these hidden backdoors, they could easily gain access to the admin panel and empty AP/PP account. Distrubutors of illegal copies can place of course extra backdoors.
Most PTC sites are not safe and against autoclicking attempts: Autoclicking software is updated often, in contrast with the majority of PTC sites, in which script is not updated because owners don't care/don't have money/don't know. All PTC scripts are not advertiser-friendly. There are tricks, which can help a member to avoid viewing an ad.
Most famous scripts
YourOwnBux, YOB: YOB was the most pirated script for the year 2008. This script made PTC ownership very easy. Download a warez copy of YOB, upload it and you are ready to scam! So simple. YOB creators placed hidden backdoors and as a result, sites using YOB are very vulnerable and can be hacked within seconds. Distributors of illegal copies placed their own backdoors.
bux_to_clone: Looks like bux.to. Same with YOB, backdoors can be found here too.
Securebux: Creator is a well known scammer, also creator of Gen2/3. Same with bux_to_clone and YOB.
Gen2/Gen3: Gen2 is open source (=free). Expect hundreds of new scams which will attempt to steal your money, during 2009. Gen2/3 supports instant payments, that's why candidate owners will prefer it. There are not doubts that creator, a known scammer, placed well hidden backdoors and can hack very easy Gen2/3 based sites. Distributors will place their own backdoors.
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Chapter 5: Who is Who
or how can a "trusted" admin be 15 years old!
5.1 Admins
In most cases of bux sites we have to deal with rude persons, without marketing knowledge or knowledge of how GPT programs must work and possibly underage. Most of them don't know/want to modify a script! The 99.99% bux site admins are big big big scammers. The recipe is simple: Warez or Gen2 script -> a free and good looking template (optional) -> cheap (or free) host & domain -> ready to scam. No need for initial capital or business plans... In rare cases we'll meet an admin who does not know even to add two or more numbers. As a result site has more referrals available for sale than its total members!
Running a real PTC is not easy, that's why most admins will choose the ponzi solution.
Rudeness and threats are on daily basis. Pay them instantly, don't talk, kiss their *** and you may get paid after some months. If you are lucky and meanwhile your favorite trusted admin will not run away with your money. And yes, most admins believe that all members are retards (some of them really are):
"No, we do not sell bots."
But we have a magic secret, that's why we have tons of 500 ref packs available everyday!
"We have access to millions/we are very strong. Click here to donate."
PTC, a charity foundation: please donate admin is so close to buy a playstation/motorbike/car/house. PTC donators are the definition of a retard. Tons of examples: Donate Pic 1, Donate Pic 2, Donate Pic 3, Donate Pic 4 LOL, Donate Pic 5
"New trusted [site], from trusted admin"
The word trust means nothing when we are talking about PTC sites. The last "trusted" admin died with extra10.com and earn3.com
"You are not allowed to violate our TOS - we are."
Terms like: "You are not an employee of [site] and you are not an independent contractor for [site]. We simply create a middle-man connection from the advertiser to the consumer." and at the same time admin requires personal info such as id, phone number, utility bills etc!
Underage admins will scam soon, because alertpay and paypal does business only with adults, obviously. Sometimes kiddies are creating an alertpay/paypal account using mom's or dad's personal data. But when mommy or daddy discovers what her/his naughty boy/girl did, account suddenly "freezes" and also internet connection stops. Also mommy is pissed because your "trusted" admin wasn't doing his/her homework!
Aurora admins because are running more stable programs, usually do not behave like bux admins. But this does not mean that an aurora admin can't be an as***le.
5.2 Retards
5.2.1 *** kissers
These members are paid per lick and not per click: *** kissers usually are mods or administrators in forums of bux sites. Actually their head is "buried" in admin's ***. Benefits: Faster payments, free referrals/bots even and a monthly wage. Sometimes are acting like they are owners and threating members. Acting like idiots and trying to defend a scam in PTC forums is another duty of *** kissers(Click for Example 1 or Example 2). Finally, slandering members (Example) who are posting the truth and facts about their favorite site is included too. That's why all members hate *** kissers. Don't worry it is easy to spot them: They alwayz spam forums with useless *** kissing posts. And stay far away, *** kissers are mentally disturbed, because are being exposed in several "dangerous" gases.
5.2.2 Big investors
Big investors, are the suckers who bought hundreds even and thousands of bots and believed that big payments are waiting for them! Some of them may receive some payments. With the hot instant cash they pay, they are "feeding" their favorite ponzi scheme (call me PTC here), helping other, "small", members to receive payments. Crewbux and thinkbux had a top 10 of retards. #1 bought more than 25.000 referrals and lost more than $20.000 (Crewbux top10). #7 & #8 are also big retards: almost $0 payments, both lost more than $30.000.
Although big investors have been warned several times that bots will not give them profit, they insist on investing. "We prefer bots, because are more active than real humans", "Thank you admin for selling us bots, you are the best", "We don't care if our refs are bots or humans as long as they click". Actually these guys deserve to lose money.
In many cases big investors (when they realize that chances to receive payment are low) will kiss admin's *** as many times it is necessary. Click for an example
5.3 Cheaters
Kiddies and pathetic "adults" following the same tested recipe: Buy referrals, receive payments and then open a dispute in payment processor. That's why paypal blocked almost all PTC sites. Another recipe is "ref deal cheating". Make an offer (be my ref, I'll pay you $x/100 clicks, or exchange sites) and of course don't pay/click. Cheating in downline builders is also a "good" recipe. However these guys are stealing only a few bucks, while "trusted" admins thousands of dollars.
5.4 "Whining for a penny" members
No, these members are not cheaters or *** kissers. But people who believed that crappy PTC sites will pay them. Active clickers, were clicking for weeks in order to reach minimum payout, but before they ask for payment, "suddenly" site turned to scam. Result: Whines in forums for a few bucks. Soon these members will realize that PTC is "too good to be true".
5.5 Rest members
Me and you. Unfortunately, we discoverd PTC sites and tried to earn some money. Some of us invested and lost money. Others earned. At least we have learned how to deal with online investing programs (yep, stay far away!). Personally I wish I hadn't discovered PTC sites, although I did not lose money. Remember: Almost all Online Investment Programs = Ponzi Schemes
In most cases of bux sites we have to deal with rude persons, without marketing knowledge or knowledge of how GPT programs must work and possibly underage. Most of them don't know/want to modify a script! The 99.99% bux site admins are big big big scammers. The recipe is simple: Warez or Gen2 script -> a free and good looking template (optional) -> cheap (or free) host & domain -> ready to scam. No need for initial capital or business plans... In rare cases we'll meet an admin who does not know even to add two or more numbers. As a result site has more referrals available for sale than its total members!
Running a real PTC is not easy, that's why most admins will choose the ponzi solution.
Rudeness and threats are on daily basis. Pay them instantly, don't talk, kiss their *** and you may get paid after some months. If you are lucky and meanwhile your favorite trusted admin will not run away with your money. And yes, most admins believe that all members are retards (some of them really are):
"No, we do not sell bots."
But we have a magic secret, that's why we have tons of 500 ref packs available everyday!
"We have access to millions/we are very strong. Click here to donate."
PTC, a charity foundation: please donate admin is so close to buy a playstation/motorbike/car/house. PTC donators are the definition of a retard. Tons of examples: Donate Pic 1, Donate Pic 2, Donate Pic 3, Donate Pic 4 LOL, Donate Pic 5
"New trusted [site], from trusted admin"
The word trust means nothing when we are talking about PTC sites. The last "trusted" admin died with extra10.com and earn3.com
"You are not allowed to violate our TOS - we are."
Terms like: "You are not an employee of [site] and you are not an independent contractor for [site]. We simply create a middle-man connection from the advertiser to the consumer." and at the same time admin requires personal info such as id, phone number, utility bills etc!
Underage admins will scam soon, because alertpay and paypal does business only with adults, obviously. Sometimes kiddies are creating an alertpay/paypal account using mom's or dad's personal data. But when mommy or daddy discovers what her/his naughty boy/girl did, account suddenly "freezes" and also internet connection stops. Also mommy is pissed because your "trusted" admin wasn't doing his/her homework!
Aurora admins because are running more stable programs, usually do not behave like bux admins. But this does not mean that an aurora admin can't be an as***le.
5.2 Retards
5.2.1 *** kissers
These members are paid per lick and not per click: *** kissers usually are mods or administrators in forums of bux sites. Actually their head is "buried" in admin's ***. Benefits: Faster payments, free referrals/bots even and a monthly wage. Sometimes are acting like they are owners and threating members. Acting like idiots and trying to defend a scam in PTC forums is another duty of *** kissers(Click for Example 1 or Example 2). Finally, slandering members (Example) who are posting the truth and facts about their favorite site is included too. That's why all members hate *** kissers. Don't worry it is easy to spot them: They alwayz spam forums with useless *** kissing posts. And stay far away, *** kissers are mentally disturbed, because are being exposed in several "dangerous" gases.
5.2.2 Big investors
Big investors, are the suckers who bought hundreds even and thousands of bots and believed that big payments are waiting for them! Some of them may receive some payments. With the hot instant cash they pay, they are "feeding" their favorite ponzi scheme (call me PTC here), helping other, "small", members to receive payments. Crewbux and thinkbux had a top 10 of retards. #1 bought more than 25.000 referrals and lost more than $20.000 (Crewbux top10). #7 & #8 are also big retards: almost $0 payments, both lost more than $30.000.
Although big investors have been warned several times that bots will not give them profit, they insist on investing. "We prefer bots, because are more active than real humans", "Thank you admin for selling us bots, you are the best", "We don't care if our refs are bots or humans as long as they click". Actually these guys deserve to lose money.
In many cases big investors (when they realize that chances to receive payment are low) will kiss admin's *** as many times it is necessary. Click for an example
5.3 Cheaters
Kiddies and pathetic "adults" following the same tested recipe: Buy referrals, receive payments and then open a dispute in payment processor. That's why paypal blocked almost all PTC sites. Another recipe is "ref deal cheating". Make an offer (be my ref, I'll pay you $x/100 clicks, or exchange sites) and of course don't pay/click. Cheating in downline builders is also a "good" recipe. However these guys are stealing only a few bucks, while "trusted" admins thousands of dollars.
5.4 "Whining for a penny" members
No, these members are not cheaters or *** kissers. But people who believed that crappy PTC sites will pay them. Active clickers, were clicking for weeks in order to reach minimum payout, but before they ask for payment, "suddenly" site turned to scam. Result: Whines in forums for a few bucks. Soon these members will realize that PTC is "too good to be true".
5.5 Rest members
Me and you. Unfortunately, we discoverd PTC sites and tried to earn some money. Some of us invested and lost money. Others earned. At least we have learned how to deal with online investing programs (yep, stay far away!). Personally I wish I hadn't discovered PTC sites, although I did not lose money. Remember: Almost all Online Investment Programs = Ponzi Schemes
Chapter 6: The ideal PTC
It is not a "bux" of course
The ideal PTC of course does not has nothing in common with bux sites. But what a real PTC should have?
Only real advertisers
And zero self sponsored ads period.
Fast payments (& very low payout)
Real advertisers mean a PTC which is not ponzi scheme. Payments can be very fast because owner has already money and will not have to wait funds from investors. With low and fast payouts, users will "see" very fast money in their AP/PP account and will not have to click for 6 months in order to earn $5.
Sustainable rates
Sustainable means low <$0.004/click. More advertisers will be attracted. These rates will be effective only in case a real script is used.
Ref bonus up to 20-30%, no ref/premium pack sales
Part of sustainable rates, ref bonus is low. Ref click must not be the most important thing at a PTC site, but advertisers. And because we know that ref packs are bot packs actually, site must not offer such options. It is Paid To CLICK, not Paid To REFER/UPGRADE/INVEST
A real PTC script
The most important thing after advertisers: A script which will protect advertisers and ensure that all members will view their ads. Users who are using ESC button and IFrame blockers will not be credited. The same rule applies with users who are surfing at multiple sites at the same time. Autoclickers and exploits, finally, will have as a result a ban only. Script will also include and some advertising filters (demographic etc). If a PTC in future can have a script like this, traffic quality will be better and therefore advertisers won't have problem to pay more than $1/1000 clicks.
Some PTC sites (wordlinx, linkgrand) have real advertisers and sustainable rates, but scripts are not advertiser friendly. These programs are very slow earners, because of high payout. The ideal PTC does not exist. On the other hand, ideal ponzi scheme can be considered a bux, although the money amount which is involved is low. Scammers will have somehow to "gain" experience for biggest tricks...
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Only real advertisers
And zero self sponsored ads period.
Fast payments (& very low payout)
Real advertisers mean a PTC which is not ponzi scheme. Payments can be very fast because owner has already money and will not have to wait funds from investors. With low and fast payouts, users will "see" very fast money in their AP/PP account and will not have to click for 6 months in order to earn $5.
Sustainable rates
Sustainable means low <$0.004/click. More advertisers will be attracted. These rates will be effective only in case a real script is used.
Ref bonus up to 20-30%, no ref/premium pack sales
Part of sustainable rates, ref bonus is low. Ref click must not be the most important thing at a PTC site, but advertisers. And because we know that ref packs are bot packs actually, site must not offer such options. It is Paid To CLICK, not Paid To REFER/UPGRADE/INVEST
A real PTC script
The most important thing after advertisers: A script which will protect advertisers and ensure that all members will view their ads. Users who are using ESC button and IFrame blockers will not be credited. The same rule applies with users who are surfing at multiple sites at the same time. Autoclickers and exploits, finally, will have as a result a ban only. Script will also include and some advertising filters (demographic etc). If a PTC in future can have a script like this, traffic quality will be better and therefore advertisers won't have problem to pay more than $1/1000 clicks.
Some PTC sites (wordlinx, linkgrand) have real advertisers and sustainable rates, but scripts are not advertiser friendly. These programs are very slow earners, because of high payout. The ideal PTC does not exist. On the other hand, ideal ponzi scheme can be considered a bux, although the money amount which is involved is low. Scammers will have somehow to "gain" experience for biggest tricks...
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Chapter 7: PTC life cycle
Bux sites = A few months
Mostly this is the life cycle of bux sites. Bux sites average will survive from one week to 3 months. Max bux sites will survive for a year, unless they turn to bux.to schemes (also depends on the number of fools).
Person A says: Hello, I am A. Here is my site [link]. Fast payment (~3 days), low payout ($1-$3), many ads (7+), all self sponsored of course.
Person A is very helpful and active in all forums.
Two to four weeks later...
Person A: Payout now increased ($5-7), standard members will be paid within 15 business days. Bot factory have just "opened".
Person A is still helpful and active in forums.
Two to four weeks later...
Person A: Payout now increased ($10), standard members will be paid within 30 business days. Site now sells only bots. Some limitations may be announced.
Person A is not so helpful and active in forums.
Person A: Sorry it is not my fault (but members' fault who didn't invest their life savings, or site was "hacked"), I cannot run this site anymore. Health problems, busy in "real" life, college, exams, family member died etc is a reason which will be given. Site is for sale or gone.
Members cannot contact Person A...
Person A changed his name to Person B.
Person B says: Hello I am B. Here is my site [link].............
This is the life cycle of a bux site in most cases. This scenario of course cannot cover all cases. Many bux sites opened and closed at the same day, while other "dead" sites were up for months even if all members stopped investing!
Person A says: Hello, I am A. Here is my site [link]. Fast payment (~3 days), low payout ($1-$3), many ads (7+), all self sponsored of course.
Person A is very helpful and active in all forums.
Two to four weeks later...
Person A: Payout now increased ($5-7), standard members will be paid within 15 business days. Bot factory have just "opened".
Person A is still helpful and active in forums.
Two to four weeks later...
Person A: Payout now increased ($10), standard members will be paid within 30 business days. Site now sells only bots. Some limitations may be announced.
Person A is not so helpful and active in forums.
Person A: Sorry it is not my fault (but members' fault who didn't invest their life savings, or site was "hacked"), I cannot run this site anymore. Health problems, busy in "real" life, college, exams, family member died etc is a reason which will be given. Site is for sale or gone.
Members cannot contact Person A...
Person A changed his name to Person B.
Person B says: Hello I am B. Here is my site [link].............
This is the life cycle of a bux site in most cases. This scenario of course cannot cover all cases. Many bux sites opened and closed at the same day, while other "dead" sites were up for months even if all members stopped investing!
Chapter 8: Scamming models
Plenty of choices to lose money
Bots and long payment delays, by bux.to
This is the first and most used scamming model, introduced by bux.to. Referrals which somehow will stop to click at the same day and 1 year payment delays. If you dare to protest (where is my payment, I am waiting for months?) first *** kissers (= forum moderators) will attack and then ban you (=forget payment).
Famous scams used it: bux.to, taketheglobe.com, isabelmarco.com and many more...
Pay to get paid, by crewbux.com
Although dailyclicks announced first that std members will NOT be paid, credit goes to crewbux.com: Do you want to receive payment? Invest first the 50+% of your next cashout. Non-investors will be deleted.
Famous scams used it: crewbux.com, thinkbux.com, isabelmarco.com, dailyclicks.biz
"Instant" payments by earn.nu
Instant payments script will be ready soon. Estimated time of release is February-31! Premium members will be paid instantly only, when script will be ready. Six months later: Script will be ready soon, be patient (and keep investing of course) we are working on it.
Famous scams used it: earn.nu, crewbux.com, extra10.com, earn3.com, thinkbux.com
Run a dozen sites, by bux3
No need for business plan or initial capital. Just open 5, 10 or more programs. Simply, when it is time to pay, change TOS (= payment limitations etc) and after that abandon ship! Below ~40 programs are listed - all scams - by 4 different owners, only!
Famous scams used it: bux3, gptnetworks, titancash, northowl network
"Hit and run", by 15 year old kiddies
With ready script packages 13-16 yr old kiddies scammed many members. If a kiddie knows php, scamming is bigger and more painful.
Famous scams used it: Most "Hit and run" scams will survive for a few weeks only. Therefore their reputation is low.
Reset balances/referrals or even better delete all members, by 07bux.net
Easy and simple: Delete all payment requests, reset balances to zero, remove all referrals. Even better is to delete the entire database and make a new "fresh" start! "Nothing happened" according to scammers, just a fresh new start for us, with your money. Register and invest again!
Famous scams used it: 07bux.net, thinkbux.com
Other models
Click for credits
Payouts are based on the income that the site makes each month
Multi upline - we will not sell bots
"Activate" your account
Direct ref limitation - Better buy our bots!
(mouse over for more info)
And who knows? Many more scamming models to come...
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This is the first and most used scamming model, introduced by bux.to. Referrals which somehow will stop to click at the same day and 1 year payment delays. If you dare to protest (where is my payment, I am waiting for months?) first *** kissers (= forum moderators) will attack and then ban you (=forget payment).
Famous scams used it: bux.to, taketheglobe.com, isabelmarco.com and many more...
Pay to get paid, by crewbux.com
Although dailyclicks announced first that std members will NOT be paid, credit goes to crewbux.com: Do you want to receive payment? Invest first the 50+% of your next cashout. Non-investors will be deleted.
Famous scams used it: crewbux.com, thinkbux.com, isabelmarco.com, dailyclicks.biz
"Instant" payments by earn.nu
Instant payments script will be ready soon. Estimated time of release is February-31! Premium members will be paid instantly only, when script will be ready. Six months later: Script will be ready soon, be patient (and keep investing of course) we are working on it.
Famous scams used it: earn.nu, crewbux.com, extra10.com, earn3.com, thinkbux.com
Run a dozen sites, by bux3
No need for business plan or initial capital. Just open 5, 10 or more programs. Simply, when it is time to pay, change TOS (= payment limitations etc) and after that abandon ship! Below ~40 programs are listed - all scams - by 4 different owners, only!
Famous scams used it: bux3, gptnetworks, titancash, northowl network
"Hit and run", by 15 year old kiddies
With ready script packages 13-16 yr old kiddies scammed many members. If a kiddie knows php, scamming is bigger and more painful.
Famous scams used it: Most "Hit and run" scams will survive for a few weeks only. Therefore their reputation is low.
Reset balances/referrals or even better delete all members, by 07bux.net
Easy and simple: Delete all payment requests, reset balances to zero, remove all referrals. Even better is to delete the entire database and make a new "fresh" start! "Nothing happened" according to scammers, just a fresh new start for us, with your money. Register and invest again!
Famous scams used it: 07bux.net, thinkbux.com
Other models
Click for credits
Payouts are based on the income that the site makes each month
Multi upline - we will not sell bots
"Activate" your account
Direct ref limitation - Better buy our bots!
(mouse over for more info)
And who knows? Many more scamming models to come...
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Signupandmakemoney wrote
Very good read, It's true, I've seen so many Bux sites come and go. They all look the same to, It was so obvious that they were all using the same scripts.
Posted June 23, 2009
hanasays wrote...
Incredible resource. Thorough and well written. Many people could benefit from reading this. I'm currently poking around a few PTC sites (trying to see if they actually pay out, not actually hoping for any money) and, for the most part, all of this is quite true. I am not fond of PTC sites. Perhaps there are a very, very few that may be legit (hope springs eternal, I suppose) but nobody is going to make a worthwhile amount of money off of them. Thank you for writing this.
Posted June 19, 2009
LaraineRose wrote...
Thanks. Just confirms what I thought. Too good to be true. 5*s
Posted June 12, 2009
RufusQuail wrote...
When I saw another high-ranking lens on this topic, I was puzzled that there was no explanation of how the scheme works. There has to be a catch, I thought. Luckily this lens is here to set the record straight. Thanks 5*
Posted June 08, 2009
Appendix
What is a Ponzi scheme, by wikipedia
A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors rather than from any actual profit earned. The Ponzi scheme usually offers returns that other investments cannot guarantee in order to entice new investors, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors in order to keep the scheme going.
The system is destined to collapse because the earnings, if any, are less than the payments. Usually, the scheme is interrupted by legal authorities before it collapses because a Ponzi scheme is suspected or because the promoter is sell...
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