Recession or Depression
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Recession or Depression
Are we in a Recession or Depression? If you are asking me whether we are in a growing economy or a recession, I can answer without hesitation, we are indeed in a recession since Dec 2007 as given by NBER which I rely more than on USA govt data and on the technical interpretation that a recession is two consecutive periods of negative growth. NBER tends to look more into other factors and are hence more accurate.
So my answer is obvious, we are in a Recession a deep deep Recession.
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Do you think that the Economy will recover this year 2009?
Do you think that the Economy will recover this year 2009?

Yes, the economy has bottom out and should begin a path of growth!
No, the economy seems bottomless, we are heading for more recession!
10jknowles says:
I hope so but I highly doubt it
kiwisoutback says:
Nope... here we are in 2010... no recovery in sight. I think it's going to be a couple years.
Joseph71 says:
No improvement for past 2 years actually.
BFuniv.com says:
We are enjoying a nice bounce from the bottom. 100 to 50 is a 50% loss, 50 to 30 is "only" 40% loss, is that proof of improvement? 30 to 60 is a 100% gain - do you feel whole? Those who said it was impossible to see the depression coming claim to see its end. Those who got us into the mess with interest rate manipulation and excess money creation claim to be able to get us out of their mess by greater application of the same tools.
In the last depression after the crash of 29, there was a bounce to '32 then things got real bad. This one may be worse, because the government is manipulating and looting to a greater extent. I hope I'm wrong; but a bottom is at least three to five years away - real growth only possible in a decade.
There is a significant chance that major change beyond mere economics is at hand. Protect yourselves.
NicolasJ84 says:
It is not just me! Experts all around the world argue crisis will not recover in this and either next year. We should start on the online currency trading, seems like great profit source
Depression?
Are we in a Depression?
Yes indeed we are in a Deep Deep shit of a Recession. But are we in a Depression? I would like to call Bull S* for whoever is proposing that we are in a Depression. Far Far from it. The 1930s Depression will not appear in a 21st Century Economy. We did a lot of wrong things but we have learnt far more from the Great Depression and from what had occurred in the past to be in another Great Depression.So why is everyone so worried? I guess this is a question a lot of you are asking. This is a deep Recession, we had not had a deep recession for the last 20 years or more. Not many of us had experienced such a deep recession. The recessions we had so far are minor compared to this one. Therefore, everyone is more or less afraid, afraid of the unknown.
But there is nothing to be afraid about. What goes down must come up and vice versa. It is part and parcel of the economical cycle which we had delayed for too long and therefore when it really come this time round it will be far more severe and thats about it. Do not be over pessimistic. Do not be a spendthift either. Do not believe that the world is ending. Often pessimism is self fulfilling. Never let pessimism get the better of you. Live as you had lived before, be cautious on your spending. Another 2 years and the recession will be gone and it will be gone and long forgotten 5 years down the road.
Unemployment Figures in Dec 2008
Unemployment, a leading indicator of economic health shows the worse performance since World War II. The unemployment figures hit 7.2% and is just the tip of the iceberg. Given that the drop was steepest in December and show no signs of abating, 2009 is going to be an extremely tough year with some analysts predicting an unemployment figure of up to 10%. The labor market has deteriorated sharply near the end of the year which brings fear that it will continue into the New Year with losses in virtually all segments of the USA Economy. In contrast the unemployment rate during the Great Depression hit 15% and worsen to 25% in 1933 and was about the figure till 1942. The current recession is still mild compared to the Great Depression but the problem is, we are still not looking at any bottoming of the recession, how bad it will be, remains to be seen. Second Round of Rescue for the Banks
Jan 2009 does not augurs well for the economy. With Bank of America, USA biggest bank needing an extra $20 billion in bailout funds. The U.S. government agreed to invest $20 billion in Bank of America, and to protect the bank against up to $118 billion in potential losses from bank assets related to risky mortgage loans. Where does this money come from? The tax payers! So given such gloomy news, Wall Street rejoice with a little upside. Reason being money transfer is being made from the population at large to Wall Street and Main Street again.This does not seem to be an end. Bailout seems to be needed on a continual basis for the banks as more and more banks reported losses that are more severe than feared. The record bailout previously does not seemed to have done its job with more bailouts needed in the horizon. My question is "How much can the US Govt come out with?" The government does not have infinite cash and bottomless pockets. Someone has to pay for all these bailouts and the someone is the average tax payer.
Retrenchments in 2009

The start of the year see a furry of retrenchment activities. Even Microsoft such a profitable and cash rich company has to bow to the unthinkable, what other choices do lesser companies have? A look at the news doesn't really bring out much cheer.
Caterpillar cuts 5,000 more jobs as U.S. economists say recession will worsen
Home Depot cuts 7,000 jobs, telecom company Sprint Nextel axes 8,000
Philips axes 6,000 jobs worldwide after quarterly losses of %u20AC1.5 billion
Indian-owned Corus cuts 3,500 jobs, including 2,500 of 24,000 UK employees
The list continues, far too many even to list them down. Unemployment is not just an economical problem but a social one as well. Looks like this year we are going to get lots of troubles from both the social and economic fronts.
GDP Down 3.8%

USA GDP was down a staggering 3.8% in the last quarter of 2008. It is the worse showing since 1982 but is well above the economists average estimate of 5.5%. But I must say do not bother about what those economists say. The average of a bunch of idiots is still an idiotic average. Their predictions is as accurate as you or me throwing a dice. What will be worrying is that is this a bottom or is this a start of the bottoming process? I would guess that it is still a start as Consumer Confidence Index was a record breaking 37.7 not seen since the index was started in 1967. Given that consumer accounts for 2/3 of the USA GDP, a loss of confidence in their part means less spending by consumers and hence the next quarter will even say far worse results as consumer confidence can be taken as more or less an accurate market sentiments and leading indicator. While the statistics show other leading indicators having some improvements, I really do not care about it. It was the result of massive fund injection and given such massive fund injection, those pathetic figures show that we have much more to fear. Recession or Depression? I still vote Recession but a deep deep one.
A Small Depression is Likely

I guess the Obama administration just blew it. Let me explain, the mortgage market is a $14 trillion market in itself. What was proposed as a stimulus is just 5% and to be divided into so many other segments. What can this tiny drip do is to enhance confidence in consumers, not to solve the problems. But what the administration did was far too ambitious. It bounced back and what we see is a total loss of confidence as indicated in the 6 year lows for the Dow Jones and with more to come.
You want to bail out every industry that has a strong lobby, you need an infinite wallet, this isn't there. You need consumers' confidence, but CEOs' confidence, they can rot in hell for that matter. The Great Depression is popularly analysed as being caused by the credit crunch. This isn't true. What is the main issue is the loss of confidence. Banks earn money if they loan out, the more the merrier, the only way they refuse to do so will be because they are not confident enough to do so. Instead of addressing fundamental confidence issue, we see pumping of more and more money into banks. Whats the use? The banks will just keep the money instead of lending out? Credit crunch? Even if you give them infinite money, they won't start lending, not until some reasonable level of consumer confidence is restored. The economy of USA has matured far beyond 1930s. A Great Depression is not likely, A Small Depression is on the horizon.
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