I have come to believe in the witness of The Gospel of Judas (hereafter, GoJ) and accept it as authoritative, historically valid and theologically orthodox. That is, in as far as it presents us with a description of some of the beliefs of the Gnostics that lived circa a century and a half after the time that Jesus walked the Earth yet, not as Christian doctrine.
This lens contains the following sections:
Introductory Musings: Parts I-II
Substandard Double Standard: Parts I-III
Pop-Cultura Ex-Cathedra: Parts I-V
Which Came First, Orthodoxy or Heresy?: Parts I-IV
ÆON SOTER—Some Gnosis of Gnosticism: Parts I-III
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas: Parts I-XI
Canonization Controversy: Parts I-VII
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Introductory Musings, Part I
This reaction is that the New Testament has been discredited, challenged or augmented. Some liberal scholar/theologians actually claim that the New Testament has just been enhanced by the discovery of this gospel that the manipulative church censored out of its cannon. A panel of scholars/theologians was asked what will be told to children in Sunday school on the weekend after this revelation. They should be told the simple truth: one, two or three centuries after Jesus resurrected a group known as the Gnostics sought to place their, un-Jewish and un-Christian, beliefs into the mouth of Jesus and the apostles. Of course, none of these Gnostics had walked with, nor talked with, nor heard, nor seen Jesus or His apostles.
The National Geographic Society states, "We all feel comfortable putting this copy in the fourth century," and that the text is, "imbued with the ideas of the Gnostics"
The New York Times states:
"Scholars say the release of the document will set off years of study and debate. The debate is not over whether the manuscript is genuine - on this the scholars agree. Instead, the controversy is over its relevance."
Yes, it is a genuine manuscript, it is a genuine fourth century Coptic copy of an alledged second century Greek text that we do not possess.
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Introductory Musings, Part II
The Gnostics engaged in something very common, they attempted to give their beliefs authority by claiming to base them on an authoritative figure. For instance, the pseudopigrapha (Greek and Jewish writing from circa 200 BC to 200 AD) often claim to be writings by Old Testament characters, the unknown authors wrote under various pseudonyms. The Jewish Mishnah is said to have been given to Moses by God to be passed on in oral form (the Mishnah plus its commentary, the Gemara, combine into the Talmud written circa 400-500 AD). Later, the Kabblahists claimed that their mystical teachings were actually given to Moses to be passed on orally. Roman Catholicism claims that their traditions come from the apostles. Islam claims that its traditions, the Hadith, were passed on from people who saw or heard Muhammad do or say something. These claims are generally devoid of historical proof but are claims based on accentuating authority-long ago in a far, faraway place. The Gnostics likewise practiced such devices, their very name Gnostics comes from the Greek word gnosis-knowledge, they claimed secret knowledge that could only be acquired by initiations into their group-typical mystery religion.Another predictable reaction is that of the exiting nature of anything that is perceived to come anywhere close to challenging the New Testament's authority. Not just its authority as the Word of God but its authenticity as a historical document that accurately tells the events of the times and has been passed on accurately. The Bible has had a long history of being besmirched due to its statements of historical events that were found nowhere else in our knowledge of history. Yet, time and time again subsequent research, history and archaeology have uncovered that the Bible was correct all along. It appears that any document that contradicts the Bible is given cart blanch and is given the status of absolute authority.
This text does not call into question the account of the New Testament anymore than someone who woke up this morning and said, "Hey, I know! Judas was the real Messiah and he was betrayed by Jesus!" Anything goes in the realm of cynical-pseudo-skepticism. The apostle Thomas was a real skeptic (not a mere doubter), he waited for proof while pseudo-skeptics are really cynics who defend their point of view against all evidence to the contrary.
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Substandard Double Standard, Part I
A very significant point to make here is that skeptics will besmirch the New Testament according to a faulty view of what we are to expect from ancient manuscripts. It is simply not appropriate to expect to find a slew of manuscripts that were written as the event they retell took place and that match one another word for word. Thus, the proper questions to ask of ancient manuscripts are: What is the time of the event to the time of the writing? What is the time of the writing to the time of the earliest manuscript we have? How many manuscripts are there? How do they compare to each other? There are other questions, of course, such as who wrote it, why and to whom? Also, are there other sources to report the same event and how do they compare? The basic "5 Ws" of journalism: Who? What? When? Where? and Why?
Understand that skepticism is opportunist, arbitrary and intellectually dishonest (I grant that these statements may require various qualifications). You see, skeptics will, falsely, claim that the New Testament is a work that was written far too late to accurately reflect the events that it claims to record. They also claim that the manuscripts are few and faulty. Skeptics will claim this even while believing that other ancient writings are beyond reproach.
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Substandard Double Standard, Part II
The skeptics will instantly embrace, accept, exalt and proclaim the absolute truth of any text that contradicts the New Testament. They do this by establishing different standards for that which will back up what they already believe. The standards are not those discussed above, the standard for anything that contradicts the New Testament is: if it contradicts the New Testament it must be true. Therefore, they consider the GoJ to be, pardon the pun, gospel truth (although in reality many are happy enough just being able to claim irreconcilable contradiction). They accept the GoJ and any other Gnostic text even though these are the texts that are written well after the event and that are represented in one single, incomplete, manuscript.Work on the text of the GoJ is ongoing and "minor textual changes in the critical edition" are foreseen. Moreover, the text includes numerous notations that inform us as to where, "the reading of the letter is very uncertain," where there are "illegible traces of a letter, or "lacuna," (omissions). There are "correction suggested by the editors of a scribal omission or error," there are claims that "words erroneously added by the scribe of the codex," plus some, "space left blank by the scribe," and by an "ancient corrector."
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Substandard Double Standard, Part III
In fact, let us engage in skepticism:1-The text is said to have been written in the second century and yet the one single manuscript we have is a copy dated to the third century. This text was written long after the time of Jesus and copied even later. Therefore, it cannot possibly be an accurate representation of events.
2-The manuscript is written in Coptic but the original (which does not exist) is said to have been written in Greek. We cannot possibly rely on a Coptic copy of a Greek text. After all, translations from one language to another cannot be an accurate representation of the original event since the original language contained nuances that simply get lost in the translation.
3-It is quite obvious that someone, anyone, could have purposely corrupted the text in order to change the original account and substitute their own particular and peculiar views.
4-It is likewise obvious that copying errors have occurred rendering the copy virtually useless in seeking to ascertain the original text.
5-Surely, what we have is a Gnostic conspiracy to establish a Gnostic cannon while suppressing what they considered apocryphal gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. In their struggle for power they sought to suppress anyone who did not believe in their doctrines.
Pop-Cultura Ex-Cathedra, Part I
Granted that Pop-Culture is what it is-entertainment and trends. One very sad aspect of a pop-culture world-view is when people base their beliefs on pop-culture's latest dogma. Some people see a movie or read a fictional book, such as The Da Vinci Code and think that they have accomplished a scholar's task and have discerned the truth. In fact, Dan Brown made the following statement about The Gospel of Judas (hereafter, GoJ):
"But maybe, just maybe, that missing piece does belong here...and the picture of the puzzle will turn out differently than we originally thought."
Regarding the release date of the GoJ:
"James M. Robinson, America's leading expert on such ancient religious texts from Egypt" and "an emeritus professor at Claremont (Calif.) Graduate University, chief editor of religious documents found in 1945 at Nag Hammadi, Egypt, and an international leader among scholars of Coptic manuscripts%u2026speculated the timing of the release is aimed at capitalizing on interest in the film version of The Da Vinci Code"
I can only imagine that he laments that fact that this text was published after The Da Vinci Code and too late for him to add this stinger to his novel.
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Pop-Cultura Ex-Cathedra, Part II
"Questions about the motives of Judas are not new. They have been explored in many different forms and venues: Martin Scorsese's movie The Last Temptation of Christ (based on the book by Nikos Kazantzakis); Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice's theatrical musical Jesus Christ Superstar; and Taylor Caldwell and Jess Stearn's novel I, Judas all provide alternative explanations for Judas' action."
You may have thought that consulting writings from one, two or three hundred years AD was too far from the events of Jesus' life to be considered in the least bit reliable history. Apparently, we are now going to two thousand years AD to seek reliable eyewitness accounts!?!? Two twentieth century novels and a musical!!!
Worst still, Mr. Hoffman does not even do a thorough job of seeking truth in fiction. Thus, we will play his game and point out that he overlooked the movie Jesus of Nazareth that while it is beloved by many Christians does portray Judas in a very different light than the writings of two thousand years earlier. In this movie Judas agrees to turn Jesus over to the Sanhedrin so that they will see that He is the Messiah. The Sanhedrin agree to give Jesus a hearing but then they disclose to Judas that in reality they agreed to have Jesus turned over to them so that they can arrest Him. In this movie Judas does not betray Jesus but it is the Sanhedrin that betrayed Judas!
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Pop-Cultura Ex-Cathedra, Part III
This is precisely the reason why people come along long after a text is written and attempt to add their two cents. They generally do this after the eyewitnesses are long dead and often assume the names, and authority, of the dead, in order to pass of their forgeries as authentic. Many of these kinds of writings are based on attempt to fill in the gaps such as-what might Jesus have told the disciples when He taught them in private? What, precisely where the scrolls that Paul requested be brought to him? And in this case, why didn't the apostles understand what Jesus told to Judas.
Mr. Hoffman continues his conspiratorial concoction of connections in stating:
"Also, upon returning with the authorities, Judas greets Jesus 'with a kiss.' While some have argued that this gesture was symptomatic of Judas' evil nature, Professor Elaine Pagels of Princeton University, in the documentary Da Vinci's Lost Code, provides another perspective: Greeting another with a kiss during the time of Christ symbolized spiritual rebirth%u2026"
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Pop-Cultura Ex-Cathedra, Part IV
But Mr. Hoffman went further, and I suspect without realizing it, gleaned some truth as he states:
"%u2026thus Judas, by kissing Jesus, may actually have been affirming his belief that the arrest of Jesus would somehow result in the rebirth of Jesus."
According to the New Testament this is simply erroneous but according to the late dated beliefs of the late dated Gnostic texts this is plausible. According to the Gnostics Jesus' death would release Him from the evil of His material body and rebirth Him into the spirit world.
Now, back to the novel ideas as put forth in twentieth century novels as, Mr. Hoffman writes:
"%u2026the tragedy that saddened Mary Magdalene in the closing paragraph of I, Judas. Having seen the resurrected Jesus, Mary now realizes that 'she sorely misjudged the one who kissed Him in the garden. For [Judas] had more faith than the rest, since he believed in [Jesus] unto the death. Would that he had waited but a few more days.'"
Pop-Cultura Ex-Cathedra, Part V
"Today's world has produced an inordinate number of people who exploit religion to promote their hatreds, abuse their power, justify their wars, and exploit and slaughter their fellow human beings. It is they, not Judas, who are selling their souls. It is they, not Judas, who are the most contemptible betrayers of all."
The National Geographic Society states:
"In this version, he is a hero. Unlike the other disciples, he truly understands Christ's message."
They also quote Bart Ehrman as stating:
"Judas is singled out by Jesus as the best of the disciples. The others didn't get it."
Judas has thus been retrieved from the lowly place of ultimate betrayer in which the church put him. Now the truth is finally out, it was the other eleven apostles that were corrupt and this is something to celebrate!?!
Of course, Judas is not always seen in a more favorable light in these pseudo-gospels. For instance, in v. 35 of the 6th century The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour he is said to have been tormented and seized by satan from childhood.
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Which Came First, Orthodoxy or Heresy?, Part I
In the second century Irenæus, the Bishop of Lyones in 180 AD, wrote a work entitled Adversus Hæreses - Against Heresies. Chapter XXXI:1-3 of this text is subtitled Doctrines of the Cainites and states:"...They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas...They also hold, like Carpocrates, that men cannot be saved until they have gone through all kinds of experience. An angel, they maintain, attends them in every one of their sinful and abominable actions, and urges them to venture on audacity and incur pollution...And they maintain that this is 'perfect knowledge,' without shrinking to rush into such actions as it is not lawful even to name...They have now been fully exposed; and simply to exhibit their sentiments, is to obtain a victory over them."
The Cainites claimed to have descended from Cain, made heroes of the Biblical villains, and considered the God of the Bible as an absolutely evil being who was to be defeated by the death of Jesus which would, apparently, bring about the end of the worship of this evil Biblical God.
The title Cainite is such an inflammatory term that it is perhaps only rivaled by Judas Priests (the name of a heavy metal band). Yet, it is understandable why they would refer to themselves as Cainites since they believed that matter, such as physical bodies, is evil while spirit is good. Therefore, Cain's murder of his brother Abel was a righteous act since Cain liberated Abel from the evil of his physical body and freed him into the spirit realm. Thus, we can likewise understand why Judas is their hero for he also liberated Jesus from the evil of his physical body and freed him into the spirit realm.
The Naassenes or Ophites the word "snake" as derived from Hebrew and Greek paid obeisance to the serpent/satan of the Genesis Garden of Eden. Certain kinds of Gnosticism, as that taught by Marcion, signed their own proverbial death warrants by practicing extreme asceticism. Their revulsion of the material/physical world was such that they gave up marriage and childbearing in order to not perpetuate the creation of the inferior God of the Bible. Moreover, the Gnostics sometimes referred to the supreme spirit realm God as Sophia and to the false god of the Bible as Hystera. They believed that Eve had conceived Cain from Sophia and Abel from Hystera. Thus, Cain was demonstrating the supremacy of Sophia over Hystera by killing Abel.
Which Came First, Orthodoxy or Heresy?, Part II
"In this interpretation the Crucifixion, enabled by the betrayal, is necessary not so much for the forgiveness of human sins, but to free Christ's divine self from its mortal cloak."
Marvin Meyer of Chapman University states:
"He will at last get rid of his material, physical flesh, thereby liberating the real Christ, the divine being inside."
The fact that The Gospel of Judas was rejected by the early church proves their care for protecting the original text of scripture, it proves their careful handling of the traditional teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, it shows us why and how the text of the New Testament has been passed on to us with such an astonishing level of reliability. Orthodoxy allows us to identify heresy and heresy strengthens orthodoxy. This is because it is deviance that leads a community to come to terms with what it really believes, why it believes it and the setting up of standards, boundaries or canonicity. Some people seem to think that Christianity has no right to establish and defend its orthodoxy. As if it had no right to maintain its core teachings and respond to and ward off faulty teachings.
It is interesting to note the sorts of things that fascinate some people. On the one hand The New York Times (NYT) quotes Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton who specializes in studies of the Gnostics, as making a point about how we are just now starting to lean about early Christian diversity:
"'These discoveries are exploding the myth of a monolithic religion and demonstrating how diverse - and fascinating - the early Christian movement really was."
Meanwhile, the NGS states:
"Irenaeus had plenty of heresies to contend with."
Which is something that has been known since at least 180 AD when Irenaeus was Bishop of Lyons. Yet, let us not suppose that early Christianity was a shotgun blast that went in a hundred directions at once. Like any other world-view it had its orthodox-majority core as well as its tektites.
Which Came First, Orthodoxy or Heresy?, Part III
Moreover, note that Prof. Elaine Pagels has been thoroughly discredited in many fronts even though she is know for her erudite insights into the very heart of theology, as seen in one particularly elucidating comment,"The people who loved, circulated and wrote down these gospels did not think they were heretics.'"
This seems reasonable enough and is quite accurate-the Gnostic writings are in fact, orthodox. They portray orthodox Gnostic doctrine but not orthodox Christian doctrine. However, we suspect that Pagel had no such lucidity about the matter in mind. In fact, please meet the real Pagel and her methods by reading The Pagels Imposture (cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=43736).
Whatever diversity did exits in early Christianity it was not due to the Gnostic gospels. These were written from 150 to 400 years AD. Furthermore, why were they considered heretical? Due to the very fact that orthodoxy identified them for precisely what they were-late dated forgeries. Also note worthy is the fact that Christians were originally know as the way and not one of the ways. It is also fascinating to note that it seems as if in the view of skeptical/liberals Christians are either blind faithed sheep who mindlessly follow one single set of teachings or else are so varied in their beliefs that they have no unifying doctrines and certainly no right to say who a Christian is and is not.
The NYT referred to Irenaeus as "a hunter of heretics," and the NGS referred to "the outrage of Bishop Irenaeus," and to "Irenaeus's hostility," moreover, referring to him as "the angry bishop," who "attacked," Gnosticism and launched "a scathing attack on the mystical Gnosticism," by means of a "fierce denunciation."
As far as I can tell no one is responding to Irenaeus' arguments nor to his counterarguments against heretics. It seems that he is being besmirched in an ad hominem manner simply for having the audacity to defend his faith and respond to those who were deviating from it. He is being vilified for speaking out against the heroes of liberals and skeptics i.e., anyone and anything that contradicts the Bible and the Judeo-Christian faith as a whole.
In an article entitled, "Gospel of Judas Written - Prior to A.D. 180," the NGS stated,
"The Gospel of Judas predates the A.D. 180 publication of St. Irenaeus' Against Heresies...Its existence has long been known, primarily because of surviving anti-heretical works that denounce its tenets."
Which Came First, Orthodoxy or Heresy?, Part IV
Ultimately, it was Gnostics themselves that did themselves in and not the oppression of the mean and nasty orthodox Christians. The message of Christianity is to be openly shared with the world. The message of Gnosticism was a guarded secret reserved for a select few. The secrecy of mystery religions is what brought them to ruin-they literally excluded themselves from growth.
The same can be said for all of the Gnostic writings:
1-They are all virtually devoid of manuscript evidence.
2-They are mostly dated by their quotations in the writings of others.
3-Some do not even exist outside of citations i.e., they are represented by exactly zero manuscripts.
4-The manuscripts we do have are very decrepit fragments peppered with missing text.
ÆON SOTER: Some Gnosis of Gnosticism, Part I
One of Gnosticism's tenets is that spirit is good and matter is evil, which is why they believed that Jesus either could not have been a real life person, in the flesh, but was some sort of ethereal entity or that He had manifested in the flesh but was some spiritual being (the æon soter) that was certainly not the true God of Gnosticism. Since matter, as manifested in our physical bodies, is evil, then for the Gnostic there was a lifestyle choice to be made. They would either neglect, despise and suppress every bodily need and pleasure or they could indulge in every conceivable fleshly excess as mentioned above by Irenaeus.
They hold to an entropy of being whereby the supreme God caused pure spirit beings to emanate (proballei). These, in turn, produced the æons, the immaterial hypostatic ideas (principle, essence, substance). The emanations and æons form the pleroma (the immortal realm, from whence comes the material from the immaterial, due to various causes such as an æon's sin). Thus, Gnosticism seeks repentance (metanoia) by which they mean an end to material existence and a return to pleroma. Note that each successive emanation was further removed from God until one of them was removed so far from the pure spirit of God that it was able to create matter. This creator emanation was both ignorant of, as well as hostile to, the true God. This evil and ignorant emanation's name is Yahweh, the God of the Bible. Since matter was manifest in the context of utter ignorance of the ways of God (pure spirit) it is man's responsibility to seek the hidden knowledge-gnosis.
ÆON SOTER: Some Gnosis of Gnosticism, Part II
"...believed that everyone has a divine connection with God and that such knowledge can be revealed to a select few by divine inspiration...Gnostics regarded Jesus as an enlightened teacher whose message could enable an elite group of humans to find the divine spark within their own inner beings and rediscover the connection and become divine themselves, rising above the imperfection of the material world."
Moreover, they state:
"The Gnostics 'believed that there is an ultimate source of goodness, which they thought of as the divine mind, outside the physical universe. Humans carry a spark of that divine power, but they are cut off by the material world all around them'-a flawed world, as the Gnostics saw it, the work of an inferior creator rather than the ultimate God."
Succinctly stated, Gnosticism sought to change the message of Christianity from go out into all the world and proclaim the gospel to withdraw and keep these teachings hidden. They rejected the concept of judgment, denied the second coming, they claimed that the Apostles were false teachers and that the Bible is not complete since they were constantly uncovering new knowledge.
Gnostics claim to offer gnosis that they keep hidden while Christianity offers epi-gnosis (liken to epi-center) according to Thayer this world refers to precise and correct knowledge used in the New Testament of the knowledge of things ethical and divine. It is found in texts such as:
"Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, according as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who has called us to glory and virtue" (2nd Peter 1:2-3).
What the Gospel of Judas offers is not gnosis about the reality of what happened between Jesus and Judas. Rather, it is gnosis about how people who lived about a century and a half after the time of Jesus, and after the eyewitnesses had passed away, sought to rewrite history in the image of their peculiar beliefs.
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ÆON SOTER: Some Gnosis of Gnosticism, Part III
v. 114, "Simon Peter said to them, 'Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life.' Jesus said, 'Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the domain of Heaven.'"
How many women's rights groups, or civil rights groups, or any liberal groups, or any group of any kind or sort have you heard speaking out against such hate-speech? The correct answer is that only Christians have spoken out against such malicious corruptions of the teachings of Jesus Christ and corruptions of good 'ol fashion common sense. Yet, this is one of the most beloved gospels of The [anti]Jesus Seminar and their anything but the fact ma'am admirers.
Jesus is such an undeniable personage that virtually all world-views have sought to appropriate Jesus for themselves:
1-To the Hindus Jesus was the an Avatar.
2-To the Buddhists Jesus was a Bodhisattva or the Matreya Buddha.
3-To the Reiki practitioners Jesus was a Reiki Master.
4-To the Taoists Jesus revealed the eternal Tao.
5-To ECKANKAR Jesus was an ECK Master.
6-To the Jews Jesus was a prophet or a Rabbi (or a false prophet).
7-To Islam Jesus was a prophet.
8-To atheist and secularists Jesus demonstrated the highest morals.
9-To the Gnostics Jesus was the revealer of the gnosis, the æon soter.
10-And to many more Jesus was much more, yet Jesus is who and what He is-the savior, Lord and God.
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part I
Let us set out to glean certain categories of information from this text:
1-We must consider what this non-biblical source claims about Jesus, and whether it substantiates anything that the biblical text does say.
2-We must consider the controversial aspects of the text, the pseudo-Judas and his actions.
3-We must consider other claims that contradict the text of the New Testament.
4-We must consider what is either esoteric wisdom that is truly the deep and hidden knowledge of revealed mysteries or else it is incoherent babble.
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Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part II
The GoJ affirms that Jesus existed, that He had apostles, that He preformed miraculous works, the He came as savior of humanity, that He had the ability to prophecy, that He was exalted as the son of our god, that He came from an eternal realm, that there is an afterlife, and that Judas received some money.
"When Jesus appeared on earth, he performed miracles and great wonders for the salvation of humanity."
"He began to speak with them" His disciples "about the mysteries beyond the world and what would
take place at the end."
"They said, 'Master, you are [...] the son of our god.'"
"Judas [said] to him, "I know who you are and where you have come from. You are from the immortal realm of Barbelo. And I am not worthy to utter the name of the one who has sent you."
Barbelo, barbeloth or barthenos is an intermediary realm between the pure spirit of God's realm and the material realm. This realm is often hypostatized as a mother-father figure or the highest Godhead's female aspect.
"When these people, however, have completed the time of the kingdom and the spirit leaves them, their bodies will die but their souls will be alive, and they will be taken up."
"Judas answered them as they wished. And he received some money and handed him over
to them."
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Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part III
The GoJ exalts Judas up, above and beyond any of the other apostles.
Jesus said:
"'[Let] any one of you who is [strong enough] among human beings bring out the perfect human and stand before my face.' They all said, 'We have the strength.' But their spirits did not dare to stand before [him], except for Judas Iscariot. He was able to stand before him, but he could not look him in the eyes, and he turned his face away.'"
Jesus said to Judas:
"you will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me."
I would not think that Jesus is talking about whacking His tailor the man that clothes me, but that this is a metaphor for his physical body, His humanhood.
"Judas [said] to him, 'I know who you are and where you have come from. You are from the immortal realm of Barbelo.'"
This, apparently, simply demonstrates some of Judas' gnosis.
"[...] Their high priests murmured because [he] had gone into the guest room for his prayer. But some scribes were there watching carefully in order to arrest him during the prayer, for they were afraid of the people, since he was regarded by all as a prophet. They approached Judas and said to him, 'What are you doing here? You are Jesus' disciple.' Judas answered them as they wished. And he received some money and handed him over to them."
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part IV
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas 2:3-5, the writer of which does not even claim to be the Apostle Thomas but identifies himself as a philosopher, is a shameful work that has the child Jesus using His divine power, His miracles, in a capricious and malicious manner. The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour likewise retells many of the same malevolent deeds. The GoJ seems to play off of this concept in stating that:
"Often he did not appear to his disciples as himself, but he was found among them as a child."
This actually seems to be nothing more than a faulty Gnostic tradition very, very loosely based on the New Testament witness regarding Jesus' interactions with, and comments about, children.
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part V
Matthew 18:1-6:
"At that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying, Who is the greater in the kingdom of Heaven? And Jesus called a little child to Him and set him in their midst, and said, Truly I say to you, Unless you are converted and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven. Therefore whoever shall humble himself like this little child, this one is the greater in the kingdom of Heaven. And whoever shall receive one such little child in My name receives Me. But whoever shall offend one of these little ones who believes in Me, it would be better for him that an ass's millstone were hung around his neck, and he be sunk in the depth of the sea."
Matthew 19:13-15:
"Then little children were brought to Him, that He should put His hands on them and pray. And the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, Allow the little children to come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of Heaven. And He laid His hands on them, and departed from there."
Mark 10:13-16:
"And they brought children to Him, so that He should touch them. And His disciples rebuked those bringing them. But when Jesus saw, He was much displeased and said to them, Allow the little children to come to Me and do not hinder them. For of such is the kingdom of God. Truly I say to you, Whoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter into it. And taking them up in His arms, He put His hands on them and blessed them."
Luke 18:15-17:
"And they also brought infants to Him, that He might touch them. But when the disciples saw, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them and said, Allow the little children to come to Me, and forbid them not. For of such is the kingdom of God. Truly I say to you, Whoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no way enter into it."
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part VI
"Jesus said to them, 'How do you know me? Truly [I] say to you, no generation of the people that are among you will know me.'"
Simply stated, many knew Him and followed Him.
"[S]eth, who is called Christ" is one of "the five who ruled over the underworld, and first of all over chaos."
Be that as it may, this is not the Biblical Christ.
An "angel, Saklas, also came from the cloud. So Nebro created six angels-as well as
Saklas-to be assistants, and these produced twelve angels in the heavens, with each one
receiving a portion in the heavens"
"Then Saklas said to his angels, 'Let us create a human being after the likeness and after the image.'"
Here we have angels that have the prerogative of creation. This also incorporates an old, and faulty, explanation of why the monotheistic God would use terms such as we and us. In the Jewish and Gnostic concept, it is not because the one true God is a triune being but because God was talking to angels. This is something that the Bible does not state and which is an unviable inference, since Biblically, angels cannot create. Therefore, no let us create nor does the Bible state that we are created in the image of God and angels therefore, no in our image.
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part VII
Now for the moment of truth, where we learn the deep mysteries and receive the light of the gnosis, behold!
"'that generation does not come from [...] which has become [...]. The generation of people among [you] is from the generation of humanity [...] power, which [...the] other powers [...] by [which] you rule.' When [his] disciples heard this, they each were troubled in spirit. They could not say a word."
"Jesus said [to them], 'Stop sac[rificing...] which you have [...] over the altar, since they are over your stars and your angels and have already come to their conclusion there. So let them be [ensnared] before you, and let them go [-about 15 lines missing-] generations [...]. A baker cannot feed all creation [42] under [heaven]. And [...] to them [...] and [...] to us and [...]."
"Adamas was in the first luminous cloud that no angel has ever seen among all those called 'God.' He [49] [...] that [...] the image [...] and after the likeness of [this] angel. He made the incorruptible [generation] of Seth appear [...] the twelve [...] the twentyfour [...]. He made seventy-two luminaries appear in the incorruptible generation, in accordance with the will of the Spirit. The seventy-two luminaries themselves made three hundred sixty luminaries appear in the incorruptible generation, in accordance with the will of the Spirit, that their number should be five for each. 'The twelve aeons of the twelve luminaries constitute their father, with six heavens for each aeon, so that there are seventy-two heavens for the seventy-two luminaries, and for each [50] [of them five] firmaments, [for a total of] three hundred sixty [firmaments...]. They were given authority and a [great] host of angels [without number], for glory and adoration, [and after that also] virgin spirits, for glory and [adoration] of all the aeons and the heavens and their irmaments."
"The multitude of those immortals is called the cosmos-that is, perdition-by the Father and the seventy-two luminaries who are with the Self-Generated and his seventytwo aeons. In him the first human appeared with his incorruptible powers. And the aeon that appeared with his generation, the aeon in whom are the cloud of knowledge and the angel, is called [51] El. [...] aeon [...] after that [...]"
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part VIII
They will fornicate in my name and slay their children? I warned you about their debauchery!
"Judas lifted up his eyes and saw the luminous cloud, and he entered it. Those standing on the ground heard a voice coming from the cloud, saying, [58] [...] great generation [...] ... image [...] [-about five lines missing-]."
Jesus came to His disciples and found them:
"gathered together and seated and offering a prayer of thanksgiving over the bread, [he] laughed. The disciples said to [him], 'Master, why are you laughing at [our] prayer of thanksgiving? We have done what is right.' He answered and said to them, 'I am not laughing at you. are not doing this because of your own will but because it is through this that your god [will be] praised.'"
The National Geographic Society (hereafter, NGS) quotes Andrew Cockburn as claiming that in instances such as this Jesus refers to "'your god,' meaning the disastrous god who created the world."
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part IX
"'the priests...sacrifice their own children, others their wives, in praise [and] humility with each other; some sleep with men; some are involved in [slaughter]; some commit a multitude of sins and deeds of lawlessness. And the men who stand [before] the altar invoke your [name], [39] and in all the deeds of their deficiency, the sacrifices are brought to completion [...].' After they said this, they were quiet, for they were troubled."
Amongst such horrendous acts is a mention of priests who sleep with men. Apparently, since this text helps skeptics and liberals besmirch Christianity, this homophobia is a forgivable sin.
The text then has Jesus stating:
"Why are you troubled? Truly I say to you, all the priests who stand before that altar invoke my name."
Then Jesus refers to them as, they who have:
"planted trees without fruit, in my name, in a shameful manner."
The NGS quotes Andrew Cockburn as claiming that in instances such as this Jesus refers to "the mainstream church."
Now Jesus interprets the vision and applies the priests to the apostles themselves and explains:
"The cattle you have seen brought for sacrifice are the many people you lead astray."
Jesus then refers to the "minister of error," and again, the NGS quotes Andrew Cockburn as claiming that in instances such as this Jesus refers to "the mainstream church."
Judas had a vision in which:
"the twelve disciples were stoning me and [45] persecuting [me severely]. And I also came to the place where [...] after you. I saw [a house...], and my eyes could not [comprehend] its size."
Jesus interprets the vision for him and appears to explain that Judas' has a reserved spot in the house. The House turns out to be a place where:
"No person of mortal birth is worthy to enter the house you have seen, for that place is reserved for the holy," who will "abide there always, in the eternal realm with the holy angels."
I grant that since I refer to aspects of the GoJ as babble some may claim that I am merely betraying my own ignorance. But my point in referring to these texts as such is not mere floccinaucity. Rather, the point is that the meaning is largely lost to us, to even the most erudite with regards to Gnosticism.
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part X
1-We simply do not have much information about what the Gnostics believed.
2-By keeping their beliefs as secrets they are responsible for our lack of information about them.
3-Many of their writings have been destroyed by time (or their wicked oppressors) and some may be waiting for us to find them.
4-Ironically, a lot of what we do know about Gnosticism is due to the early and orthodox church's citations of their beliefs. Thus, the very people incorrectly blamed for stamping out Gnosticism are the same people whom we can thank for preserving their teachings.
The apostle Paul stated, "...I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery..." (Romans 11:25). The Gnostics stated, "Mystery it remains (at least to the uninitiated)."
Why do you suppose that the text of the GoJ is peppered with ellipses points and bracketed editor's comments to the effect of how ever many lines missing here? Primarily, it is because of the fragile nature of the manuscripts, which lends to the damage of the material upon which it is written. Yet, there is a lot more to be said which is that it is moreover, because of the shocking lack of manuscript evidence. When we compare the GoJ to the New Testament we have a scale of 1 to 24,000. It is this overabundance of manuscripts that allow us to compare manuscripts that may be damaged, have misspelled words, contain different names for locations (since, for instance the names of cities change), or even variant readings and yet be able to produce a very accurate text due to the collaboration and corroboration of these various manuscripts. In the case of the GoJ and virtually all and any other Gnostic gospels such as The Gospel of Phillip we have one single manuscript and so if it is damaged and lines are missing they are simply missing until, if ever, more manuscripts are found.
Now you understand why virtually all references to, and discussions of, the GoJ focus on one thing-namely that the New Testament better watch out because there in a new contender for our allegiance that is just as factual and just as reliable. No one seems to want to tackle the rest of the text because the rest of the text is peppered with missing info and, even worse, contains much info that would quickly discredit any attempt to accredit this cacophonous concoction of conspiratorial confusion.
Examining the Text of The Gospel of Judas, Part XI
1-Since the New Testament gospels do not claim that Jesus did not conspire with Judas, though Jesus knew what Judas was up to, this poses a powerful challenge to the GoJ. A challenge by a much, much, much more well attested text.
2-Skeptics must deal with the fact that we now have yet another text that shows just how early Jesus was known to be the Son of God.
3-Skeptics must deal with the fact that we now have yet another text that shows just how early Jesus was known to have performed miracles.
4-Skeptics must deal with the fact that we now have yet another text that shows just how early Jesus was known to have the ability to prophesy.
5- Skeptics must deal with the fact that we now have yet another text that shows just how early Jesus was referred to as the savior of humanity.
6- Skeptics must deal with the fact that we now have yet another text that shows just how early Jesus was said to have come from an eternal realm.
7- Skeptics must deal with the fact that we now have yet another text that shows just how early Christians believed in the afterlife.
8-Since the overwhelming majority of the GoJ contains incoherent babble (and much of it is simply missing) we must turn to much earlier sources, much more well attested sources, much more clearly written sources, much more well preserved sources. In other words, we must turn to the text of the New Testament.
Canonization Controversy, Part I
"The canon was largely set at the Synod of Rome in 382 when the dominant Christian leaders of the time established the authority of the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...Scripture, like history, was codified by the winners, by those who emerged with the greatest numbers at the end of three centuries of Christianity, said Michael White, director of the Institute for the Study of Antiquity and Christian Origins at the University of Texas-Austin%u2026'In the ancient world, Christianity was even more diverse than it was today,' Ehrman said. Not until later centuries did the standard devotional texts known as the New Testament become the bedrock of the Christian faith. Dozens of alternative gospels and creeds lost out in the process."
The National Geographic Society makes the following claim:
"St. Athanasius of Alexandria, Egypt, lived from about 293 to 373...In 367 he decreed to all Egyptian Christians that the only texts they should regard as sacred were 27 Jewish and Christian books specifically listed by him. The works on that list comprise the New Testament as we know it today."
We should wonder just what they meant by the term decreed? Was he the top of the hierarchy whose proclamations were imposed upon Christendom? Or was his decree based upon common knowledge and the norm of mainstream Christianity?
Canonization Controversy, Part II
1-The church's orthodoxy came to be, not due to reliance upon the facts of the events as they occurred, but due to the whims of an oppressive majority of hierarchical authoritarians.
2-Christianity had, and has, no right to establish a canon, no right to decide what was/is orthodox or heretical.
3-The cannon chosen by the church just happened to be all of the wrong texts.
4-It was the persecuted minority that held the truth (even though they came around one to three hundred years later).
In other words, the a priory commitment is that Christianity is a false faith and so anyone who opposed it or augmented it, virtually beyond recognition, must be right. This is true even though orthodox, traditional, early document based Christianity teaches love of one's neighbors and enemies and forgiveness for friend and foe alike. On the other hand, Gnosticism teaches many things that modern skeptical/liberal find un-politically correct such as hatred of the flesh and male chauvinism. Gnostic salvation is reserved for the initiates, it is a secretive society that selfishly guards against outsiders gaining salvation. Moreover, as far as I can tell, no skeptical/liberal has charged that the Gnostics were attempting to oppress the rest of Christendom and attempted to manipulate the canon simply in order to advance their own particular, and peculiar, theology.
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Canonization Controversy, Part III
There is a manuscript known as The Muratorian Fragment that is date to circa 170-200 AD. This fragment is very relevant to the issue of canonization, especially in the light of charges of late dated canonization by the winner.
The very beginning of the Muratorian Fragment is missing but we can draw a very viable inference from the fact that the text states that "the third book of the Gospel is that according to Luke." It appears that the order of the gospels was as it still is today. This is because while Matthew and Mark are not mentioned, we infer that they were in the missing piece of the text, Luke is referred to as the third and John's is mentioned as "The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples."
Luke is said to have compiled "the acts of all the apostles," "For 'most excellent Theophilus.'"'
John is said to have written "Epistles," "Apocalypse," (aka Revelation) and "Jude."
There are references to "the Epistles of Paul," that are listed as being written to the Corinthians (two of them), to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, to the Colossians, to the Galatians, to the Thessalonians (two of them), to the Romans, to Philemon, to Titus, and to Timothy (two of them).
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Canonization Controversy, Part IV
"[an epistle] to the Laodiceans, [and] another to the Alexandrians, [both] forged in Paul's name to [further] the heresy of Marcion." It is thought that Marcion manipulated the text of Ephesians and claimed that it was a letter from Paul to the Laodiceans. But why was Macrion able to choose which New Testament texts to place into his canon? Because those texts where already in existence, known and circulated.
There were also "several others which cannot be received into the catholic Church." The text states, "Moreover, the epistle of are counted (or, used) in the catholic [Church]; and [the book of] Wisdom, written by the friends of Solomon in his honour." Some believe that rather than friends the text here originally read Philo (the Alexandrian) since the Greek for Philo is Philonos and the very similar philon means friends and it is thought that Philo is the author of the apocryphal Wisdom of Solomon.
We also learn that at that time the church, "receive only the apocalypses of John and Peter, though some of us are not willing that the latter be read in church. But Hermas wrote the Shepherd very recently," thus, "it cannot be read publicly to the people in church." One reason why they may be important but not read in church neither "among the Prophets, whose number is complete, or among the Apostles, for it is after [their] time."
Lastly, other Gnostic texts are mentioned and rejected, "we accept nothing whatever of Arsinous or Valentinus or Miltiades, who also composed a new book of psalms for Marcion, together with Basilides, the Asian founder of the Cataphrygians."
Thus, in this fragment that comes from 182-212 years before "the dominant Christian leaders," "largely set at the Synod of Rome in 382." The New Testament is made up of 27 books (or books and letters) and the fragment mentions 21. We can safely infer 2 others (Mathew and Mark) which brings us to 23.
Canonization Controversy, Part V
Clement of Rome (who wrote ca. 96 AD) was very emphatic about apostolic authority, "The apostles received the gospel for us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus the Christ was sent forth from God. So then Christ is from God, and the apostles from Christ. Both, therefore, came of the will of God in good order." He clearly cited 1st Corinthians and Hebrews and demonstrates knowledge of other canonical texts.
Ignatius of Antioch (d. c. 117 AD) held that the apostle's teachings are to be found in their gospels he did "not wish to command you as Peter and Paul; they were apostles."
The Epistle of Barnabas (ca. 130 AD) also dealt with issue surrounding the unity between the Old Testament and apostolic writings and cites from Matthew's gospel with the scriptural qualification, "it is written."
Justin Martyr, (ca. 150 AD) refers to the "memoirs of the Apostles" when alluding to Mark, Matthew, Luke (and possibly John and Revelation).
Polycarp (d. 155 AD) furthered the understanding of unity between the Old Testament and the apostles. In his letter to Philipi (ca. 107 AD) he referred to "the apostles who brought us the Gospel, and the prophets who foretold the coming of the Lord (the Messiah)."
Tatian wrote Diatessaron (between 160-175 AD) and only used the four gospels. It seems safe to assume that his teacher St. Justin's (1st part of the 2nd c.) also accepted these only.
Irenaeus (130-202 ad) quotes all of our present NT works except Philemon, 2 Peter, 3 John, and Jude. He wrote, "It is not possible that the Gospel be either more or fewer than they are...the Gospel is quadriform" (Adv. Hær., III, xi, 8).
The author of the Gnostic Gospel of Truth, written in Rome ca. 140, used practically the same books as our present New Testament.
Canonization Controversy, Part VI
Tertullian (160-220 AD) cited 23 New Testament books except 2nd Peter, James, and 2nd and 3rd John. He also wrote, "Of the apostles, therefore, John and Matthew first instill faith into us; whilst of apostolic men, Luke and Mark renew it afterwards" (Against Marcion).
Origen (185-250 AD) wrote the following in Homilies on Luke, I, "The Church has four Gospels." This is 149 years before the Synod. Origen accepts the four Gospels, the 13 epistles of Paul, 2nd Timothy, one of Peter's letters (and states, "possibly a second, but this is disputed"), one of John's letters (and states, "and, as it may be, a second and third - but not all consider these to be genuine"), James (stating that it may not be authentic), Jude and Revelation. He quotes some apocryphal texts but always qualifying them by stating, "If anyone receives it."
Clement of Alexandria (180-211 AD) quotes from the four gospels as well as the rest of the New Testament except for Philemon, James, 2nd Peter, and 2nd and 3rd John. (Strom., I, xxi)
Cyprian of Carthage (who converted to Christianity ca. 246 AD) cited 20 New Testament books except Philemon, Hebrews, James, 2nd Peter, 2nd and 3rd John, and Jude.
Eusebius (260-340 AD), "And here, among the first, must be placed the holy quaternion of the Gospels" (Hist. Eccl., III, xxv). He makes reference to all 27 New Testament books but states that 2nd Peter, 2nd and 3rd John, Jude and Hebrews are "disputed, but familiar to the people of the church."
Four gospels, Acts, Paul's letters, Hebrews, 1st Peter, 1st John, "perhaps Revelation" believes that the following should be included: James, Jude, 2nd Peter, 2nd and 3rd John.
Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373 AD) lists the New Testament books precisely as we have them today in his 39th Festal Letter of Athanasius (367AD).
In 303 AD the Roman Emperor, Diocletian sought to destroy the Christian scriptures. This means that there was such a thing as Christian scriptures, that they could be sought and found (i.e. they were recognizable).
The Synods at Rome in 382, at Hippo in 393 and Carthage in 397 recognized the 27 books New Testament books.
In 394 AD Jerome listed the Old and New Testament books just as we have them today in a letter to Paulinus the bishop of Nola.
Canonization Controversy, Part VII
"Although the fringes of the emerging canon remained unsettled for generations, a high degree of unanimity concerning the greater part of the New Testament was attained among the very diverse and scattered congregations of believers not only throughout the Mediterranean world, but also over an area extending from Britain to Mesopotamia."
Let us note that the canon is not based on preferred doctrine but on direct and early proof of apostolic teachings and doings. Furthermore, it is safe to say that, at least 200 years prior the 382 AD date claimed above, the texts that were accepted as apostolic and scripture were (at the very least) the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John), Luke's book of Acts, Paul's thirteen letters, 1st Peter and 1st John. There were some doubts about Hebrews, although some accepted it as one of Paul's letters. James was accepted in the Eastern Church before the West. 2nd Peter was an uncertainty for some time. 2nd and 3rd John may have been attached to 1st John and simply known as John's epistle (since 2nd and 3rd John are very brief texts). Jude was accepted in the Muratorian Fragment, Clement, Tertullian and Origen but not generally accepted for some time. Finally, Revelation also found some acceptance and some doubts for some time.
All 27 New Testament books were written, circulated, utilized and highly regarded even while very few of them were in dispute. In fact, scripture existed before a canon existed.
The Gnostics had concocted their own religion and their own theology. There is no reason to suppose that the early church, or that of 382, would regard their very late dated forgeries as worthy of canonization. By 382 the New Testament was a collection that was virtually completely collected already. The claim of oppressive authoritarian canonization becomes null and void in light of the facts of history.
We therefore end as we begun-the GoJ is authoritative in that it is piece of Gnosticism's puzzle. It is historically valid in as much as through it we learn something about ca. 200 AD. It is theologically orthodox for certain Gnostic sects. It presents us with nothing that can augment, nor challenge, the New Testament. It tells us nothing about the historical Jesus or Judas. It is an interesting piece of history and is no more nor less than what it is-a text about certain beliefs, held by a certain group, at a certain time.
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