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How To Help Yourself Get Some Sleep With Back Pain And Sciatica

 

If you have back pain and sciatica symptoms a good nights sleep or indeed any adequate sleep may well feel like a distant dream....

It is bad enough getting through the days in pain, to only face the nights with pain To me the nights were worse.

When you are suffering any back pain condition it is important to get rest and sleep so your body can heal. 

However for many of us with sciatic pain sleep is hard to come by. Back pain and sleep do not go together very well and insomnia and sleep deprivation can become a part of life.

This aims to give you some things to try which I hope will help you get a restful nights sleep in spite of the back or sciatic pain. I dont know what will work for you I just hope that one of these things or a combination of them may help you.

I have been there with back pain, sciatica and sleepless nights, night after night and would not wish anyone to be experiencing that so do a little research , see what you think and try what you like the sound of.

Disclaimer For : Sleep Tips For Sciatic And Back Pain. 

I am a recovering back pain sufferer and not a medical expert.This lens contains personal opinions that are not intended as medical advice. The contents are not intended to diagnose, treat or give a medical opinion.

The information here is no substitute for medical diagnosis and guidance. Consult a physician in all matters relating to health, particularly concerning any symptoms that may require diagnosis or medical attention. Never disregard medical advice, or delay or change treatment because of something you have read here. For assistance with back pain, or any other medical condition, always consult a qualified healthcare professional. You health is your responsibility.

A Poll About How You Sleep With Sciatic Or Back Pain. 

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Sleep Positions For Back Pain and Sciatica 

Sleep Positions to consider when sleeping with back and sciatic pain.

The way you sleep is really down to how you can get comfortable. However here are a couple of pointers to help.

Many back pain and sciatica sufferers find sleeping on their side with a pillow between the knees helpful.

If you only get sciatica on one side try sleeping on the opposite side to the pain.

Some people with back pain and sciatica will find that sleeping on their back is better. If so try using a small towel under your hips to give you more support. Also a pillow under your knees may feel good.

Sleeping on your stomache seems to be generally advised against by healthcare and back pain websites as it can put pressure on your back and cause too great a curve in the neck and spine.

If you find working the pillows too much of a hassle you may like to think about a full body pillow to help you maintain a good sleep position. I know of someone who has two-one in the front and one at his back...but most people are happy with one!

If you have had back surgery it s very important that you please consult with your surgeon or healthcare provider over the best way for you to sleep particularly just post surgery.

Demonstrating Sleep Positions 

Shows how to sleep on your back and on your side.

Health tip #3: Sleeping positions

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Sciatica Sleep Articles. 

Learn about sleep and sleep and back pain issues.

When you cant get to sleep its amazing how it preoccupies your mind. I researched a few things about sleep and sleep and back pain and here they are to help you.

I do hope you find them useful.
Are "Sweet dreams" possible with pinched sciatic nerve symptoms and back pain? Twelve top sleep tips.
Are you tired of being tired?

It's amazing what a good night's sleep can do. You feel refreshed, invigorated and ready to face the challenges of the day. Well for many of us with experience of a bad back, pinched sciatic nerve symptoms, backache and the anxiety and stress caused by back pain, that feeling is just a distant dream...

...it is important that you, the professionals treating you and your loved ones take it seriously...
Pain and insomnia
Breaking the cycle of chronic pain and insomnia
The Sleep |Foundation-When you cant sleep.
Why do we need sleep?
Spine Universe:Save Your Back With Sleep
This article in Spine Universe covers how to Save your back with sleep.

Did you know that the average person spends approximately one third of their life in bed?
How often do you consider how your mattress may be affecting your back? No other piece of furniture in your house affects your overall health more than your bed. To read more follow the link...

Sleep Deprivation Due To Back Pain? 

Back Pain and Sciatica Can Make Sleep Difficult. What Effect Does It Have?

Well if you have back pain and sciatica you may well recognize some of these symptoms of lack of sleep. I know I do from my days or rather nights of chronic insomnia due to pain...

Irritable with yourself and others.
Loss of memory.
Lack of concentration
Feeling upset over little things.
A groggy , heavy feeling.
Stressed.
Either cannot eat or eat too much.
Diminished immune system so get sick more frequently.
Pain appears worse when tired.

Sleep enables our brains to work at optimum levels for example by using skills like memory, speech, problem solving etc. Without sleep these skills can be impaired to a lesser or greater degree.

The average amount if time a person sleeps is about 8 hours but the time ranges between about 5 to 11 hours. You know your body and how much sleep it needs and that is what you should be getting each night.

If you find yourself adversely affected by lack of sleep it is advised you consult a healthcare professional. You should also be wary of operating dangerous machinery and driving.

Rub On Relief? 

Could a Pain Cream Help You To Get Relief And Sleep?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if you could ease down that pain to get a nights sleep?

Would it be worth trying this "Rub On Relief" under the 30 day money back guarentee to see if it could help you ?
Rub On Relief
Just click on the link above to learn more about Rub On Relief and see what you think.

* Ease stiff, sore joints
* Relieve joint and muscle pain
* Reduce swelling
* Flush away oxidants and toxins
* Cool inflamed tissues
* Soothe joint soreness
* Eliminate free radicals in joints
* Lubricate aging joints
* Increases blood circulation in joints
* Eliminates your worse pains
* Speeds muscle and tissue repair
* Helps spasms
* Fights inflammation
* Unlocks stiff hands
* Fights nighttime pain
* Helps muscle soreness and cramps
* Reduces swelling

It is on a special offer until this Sunday!

Quick List Of "Do's " For Sleeping With Sciatica 

Try these to see if they help you despite the back and sciatic pain.

1. Keep your bedroom a place of peace and relaxation, no work here.
2.No lights or very low light to sleep in is best.
3.Keep the temperature comfortable-not too warm or too cold.
4.Ensure your mattress is comfortable.
5.Find a good sleep position for you.Use pillows to help get comfortable.
6.Try to keep to the same routine before you go to bed eg bath, back exercises read, bed.
7.Try relaxing or meditation music while you are in bed so you can drift off to sleep listening to it.

Stop Press! Back pain and Overweight?Free Teleseminar This Thursday! 

With Back Pain, lack of sleep and lack of exercise and maybe some comfort eating often comes weight issues. I found exercise like I was used to was a no go for me with sciatic and back pain.

I also confess to comfort eating, often during the night when I was wide awake and there was nothing else to do.... my weight went up and up when I had back pain and sciatica. Too much weight is not good for your back but the dilemma is how to lose weight and fat when you have back pain?

So when I was told about this teleseminar happening this Thursday I thought if you are affected by these issues, you may be interested in;

"How To Lose Weight AND Beat Back Pain At The Same Time"
Weight Loss and Back Pain Teleseminar
It is free and it's at:

7pm EST on Thursday, March 6th.

Reserve your spot now by clicking on the link.

Fitness expert Kyle Battis will be interviewing fitness trainer and back pain expert, Jesse Cannone.(From The Healthy Back Institute)

You'll learn how to lose weight while also reducing, or even totally getting rid of back or neck pain.

There are 100 lines reserved only and due to weight loss and back pain being such an issue for so many people, it will fill up fast.

Reserve Your Spot Now Here!

Its Free except for your phone charges (if any).

Tele-seminars are like a normal seminar except you can stay in the comfort of your own home.

You call in on your telephone and listen in. You'll receive the call in details and instructions when you register.

Clearly this is time limited so click on the link for more details now!

Soothing Music For Sleep and Healing. 

Using music to help you relax and sleep.

Video on how to get sleep. 

Helpful hints on getting to sleep.

How to get a good nights sleep
Short video by videojug and the Sleep Council on how to get a good nights sleep.

Just one thing. I would not recommend turning the bed if you have back pains. Get someone else to do it or get a bed that doesnt need turning.

Back Pain Relief Guides 

Informative and educative guides on Back Pain , Sciatica and Herniated discs.

I strongly believe in gaining as much information as possible to help you with your back issues.

These guides are free, you just need to give your e mail adress and they will be sent to your inbox.

They are written by the Healthy Back Institute who are committed to helping people get rid of back pain and sciatica.
Back pain/Sciatica/Herniated disc guides.
Sciatica/Back Pain/Herniated disc Guides

The Healthy Back Institute have now three Back Pain advisories for you to choose from...or you could choose all three!

Back Pain Relief Guide

Get the latest, cutting-edge information about back pain, what causes it and how to get lasting relief. Millions of people suffer from back pain unnecessarily - don't continue to be one of them.
Sciatica Gone in Just Days

Most cases of sciatica can be wiped out in just days and often with just a handful of simple exercises and stretches... but you have to know which exact ones YOU need to do. Learn about the 4 primary causes of sciatica, how to find out which is causing your pain and which treatments will work for your specific situation.

Herniated Disc Healing Miracles

Diagnosed with a herniated disc? Been told by your doctor that surgery is the only option? Then you'll definitely want to read this guide because you'll learn about the real cause of herniated discs and how to heal them and get lasting relief without dangerous medications or risky surgery.

What Is Memory Foam ? How Can It Help With Back Pain? 

A possible helpful sleep aid if you have back pain.

I am a big fan of memory foam. I never took much notice of it until I got back pain. We had a perfectly good and fairly new mattress but once I was in pain I just could not get comfortable on it.

We really didnt want to go out and buy yet another mattress so we decided to try a memory foam mattress topper which fits on top of the mattress under your sheet.

We ordered it and it came tightly packaged. We got a real shock when we opened it because it was a lot smaller than the bed and we thought they had sent the wrong size!!

However our fears were allayed when we actually read the instructions which told us to lay it out flat for 24 hours in a warm room..then it expanded and all was well :)

So what is memory foam?
It is made from polyurethane, sometimes referred to as visco elastic. Good quality memory foam of high density reacts to body heat and moulds itself to the shape of your body , cradling and supporting your body.

The technology was developed by NASA, though not used in the space program , rather for medical needs. You will find it used in mattresses, pads,wheelchair seats, cervcial pillows etc.

Memory Foam Mattress Toppers and Back Pain. 

Memory foam for a great nights sleep. Helped me get comfortable to sleep despite back pain.

Of the things I tried to give me respite from uncomfortable sleep and being unable to get to sleep and stay asleep the investment I made in a memory foam mattress topper was well worth it. It took me about a week to get used to it but then it was bliss for my aching body. It sort of cradled me and seemed to take a lot of pressure off my back and hips. It cannot cure any underlying back issues but it sure helped me to get some good quality sleep!

There is no way I would be without memory foam now and I am just looking around for a travel set for when I am away from home.

Below is a selection of memory foam mattress toppers.
Memory Foam Mattress Topper w/ Bonus Mattress Pad

Memory Foam Mattress Topper w/ Bonus Mattress Pad

Price: $279.99

Give yourself the most restful night's sleep possible with the Visco-elastic memory foam mattress topper. This state-of-the-art mattress conforms to y... more »

Memory Foam 1.5 -inch Mattress Topper

Memory Foam 1.5 -inch Mattress Topper

Price: $189.99

Sleep in luxurious comfort with this state-of-the-art Memory Foam Mattress Pad. The Memory Foam mattress pad is made of NASA developed foam. The 10... more »

Memory Foam  2-inch  Mattress Topper (All Sizes)

Memory Foam 2-inch Mattress Topper (All Sizes)

Price: $279.99

This Memory Foam 2-inch mattress topper is just what you need to get a good night's sleep. Sleeping on a traditional spring mattress creates body... more »

Serta&reg Memory Foam 3-inch Mattress Topper (All Sizes)

Serta&reg Memory Foam 3-inch Mattress Topper (All Sizes)

Price: $329.99

Sleeping on a traditional spring mattress creates body pressure points that become the source of discomfort, causing tossing and turning. Memory foam... more »

Serta&reg Deluxe 2-inch Memory Foam Mattress Topper (All Sizes)

Serta&reg Deluxe 2-inch Memory Foam Mattress Topper (All Sizes)

Price: $279.99

Sleep in supreme luxury with our Serta. Memory Foam 2-inch Mattress Topper.This exquisite topper is made from NASA developed Visco Elastic memory foam... more »

Memory Foam 3-inch Mattress Topper with Bonus Contour Pillows

Memory Foam 3-inch Mattress Topper with Bonus Contour Pillows

Price: $529.99

Sleeping on a traditional spring mattress creates pressure points that become the source of discomfort, causing tossing and turning. Memory Foam has a... more »

Memory Foam 2-inch Mattress Topper with Bonus Contour Pillows

Memory Foam 2-inch Mattress Topper with Bonus Contour Pillows

Price: $479.99

Available in four thicknesses: 1-inch, 2-inch, 3-inch, and 4-inch Set includes one mattress topper and two contour pillows Gel-like feel Temperatu... more »

What To Consider About Memory Foam With A Bad Back. 

Take care of your back by checking out memory foam

There are now many companies selling memory foam products. Do your research. Quality varies. It is important you read about the detail of each product, check out the density, firmness and temperature sensitivity. If you can ask questions of the retailer.

Some have the same support across the whole mattress, some have graduated support with more support across the hips. Quality can vary between makes so you need to check as much as you can.

No matter what your sleep position it should mould to your body and as you move it will return to normal and readjust itself.

It needs to be sensitive to your body heat, try to check this out before buying. Ask questions.

You can test out memory foam yourself by placing your hand on it and then lifting your hand away. Within seconds it returns to normal again.

It can be warmer than sleeping on an ordinary mattress. I have to say I havent noticed too much difference myself and for me I prefer warmth as it helps my back. You can always reduce the layers or quilt tog if necessary. However some may find it too warm.

Some people say there is a peculiar smell to memory foam. I would say in my experience it was only there for the day we had it out for airing and not really that noticeable,then it totally disappeared, again it is individual to you.

It is fair to say memory foam does not suit everyone, that goes for most things. I love it! My mum has arthritis and having tried it out is now going to buy one for herself.

I have shown a selection here, I have not clearly tried them all. You must decide what is right for you.

If you have back pain,sciatica, arthritis or just feel the need for a more comfortable sleep it may be worth you looking into further.

Memory Foam Pillows For Your Spine 

Lovely restful pillows to sink into. Support for your neck and spine.

Once I got the memory foam mattress topper I then had to have the pillows! They really helped me get my neck and head into the correct position, not too high or low and had the same technology which enabled my head to sink into them ...but supported.

No more bashing pillows in the middle of the night or scrunching it up to try to make it more comfortable...
Memory Foam Neck Pillows (Set of 2)

Memory Foam Neck Pillows (Set of 2)

Price: $39.99

Made from NASA developed memory foam, these uniquely shaped neck pillows conform to your neck shape and body temperature. 3-lb. density foam Set... more »

Micro-Memory Foam Pillow

Micro-Memory Foam Pillow

Price: $59.99

Sleep in quiet comfort with this state-of-the-art Micro Memory Foam pillow.The Micro Memory Foam pillow is made of NASA developed foam of 100-percent... more »

Crowned Classic Memory Foam Pillow - Standard (Set of Two)

Crowned Classic Memory Foam Pillow - Standard (Set of Two)

Price: $179.99

This traditionally shaped Memory Foam pillow has a slightly crowned surface and has been designed to fit in a standard size pillow case. Combines t... more »

Memory Plus Pillow

Memory Plus Pillow

Price: $53.96

This layered memory foam pillow promotes proper sleeping posture. The improved memory foam top conforms to your head giving a soothing customized fit.... more »

Oversized Memory Foam Contour Pillows (Set of Two)

Oversized Memory Foam Contour Pillows (Set of Two)

Price: $199.99

This oversized Memory Foam contour pillow (cervical support pillow) is 4 inches longer for improved bed top appearance and function. Provides a s... more »

Premium Comfort Memory Foam Pillow

Premium Comfort Memory Foam Pillow

Price: $129.99

Your pillow has never provided comfort like this before. This luxurious memory foam pillow truly forms to you and your life. Highest quality memory... more »

Contoured Memory Foam Pillow

Contoured Memory Foam Pillow

Price: $69.99

Originally developed for NASA, this high-tech memory foam pillow conforms to your unique head position to provide custom support. Therapeutically c... more »

Sleep Tips For You And Your Spine 

A Few Donts About Sleep And Back Pain

1. Have a warm bath or shower then do any back pain exercises you need to then go to bed. Dont go to bed too close after having a bath, your body needs to cool down a little before you get into bed. About 30-60 minutes is good.

2. Dont drink too much too close to bedtime or you will be pacing to the bathroom all night!

3.Dont drink alcohol if you have sleep difficulties, it may well send you to sleep but you will not get the quality of sleep and you may wake up during the night.

4. Avoid disturbing or exciting films just before sleep.

Memory Foam on eBay 

Memory foam mattress toppers, pillows, mattresses....

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Need a little help with getting to sleep and staying asleep? Do you have back or sciatic pain? 

Do you like the sound of a natural sleep aid?

Now all those sleep tips may work great for you , however you may find it is not enough and if you need a little more help getting and staying asleep and you like the sound of a natural sleep aid check out Sleepzyme.

After months of poor sleep night after night when I had back pain and sciatica I was very tempted by sleeping pills but I also knew about the potential risks and I really didn't want to go there so I just did what I could to help myself.

Over time I suffered badly through lack of sleep and got very sick with a lowered immune system and let me tell you it was no fun and took me a long time to get over.....

How I wish I had known about Sleepzyme!! A sleep aid that uses natural ingredients. I could really have used this help. Follow the link to learn all about it.
Sleepzyme-the natural way to aid sleep.
It's important to note that not all natural sleep aids are created equally. What you don't want is a lot of filler and a tiny amount of active ingredients for your hard earned cash.

So finding a natural sleep aid that actually works is quite a challenge. So many people with back pain and sciatica have a dreadful time with poor sleep the guys at the Healthy Back Institute have been looking for a good product to help their customers specifically with sleeping for quite a while. However to quote them;

"There was so much junk out there that finally we just gave up!"

"It's true; we were so disappointed with the results from all the sleep aids we tested that we decided to create our own formula."

Here's what they say.....

The Most Powerful, Natural Sleep Aid...

With help from some of the worlds leading experts in natural medicine, The healthy Back Institute has created a natural sleep aid that includes the most effective combination of sleep aid ingredients.

It's called SleepzymeTM and here's why it works so well·

First, unlike most natural sleep aids that only have one or two ingredients that help to improve sleep, our formula includes seven!

But more importantly, Sleepzyme includes a special blend of enzymes that are designed specifically to breakdown the ingredients so your body can utilize more of them and faster.

And, each of the ingredients in this formula have been proven to be safe and effective at improving sleep. In fact, people throughout the world have been using them for thousands of years.

But our research has found that together they work synergistically to provide even better results. And unlike prescription and over-the-counter sleep aids, Sleepzyme works without the dangerous and harmful side effects and is NOT addictive.

Sleepy Sayings.. 

People pondering on the world of sleep....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

People who say they sleep like a baby usually don't have one.
Leo J. Burke

If you can't sleep, then get up and do something instead of lying there worrying. It's the worry that gets you, not the lack of sleep.
Dale Carnegie

Sleep is like the unicorn,it is rumored to exist, but I doubt I will see any
Anon

A flock of sheep that leisurely pass by
One after one; the sound of rain, and bees
Murmuring; the fall of rivers, winds and seas,
Smooth fields, white sheets of water, and pure sky -
I've thought of all by turns, and still I lie
Sleepless...
William Wordsworth, "To Sleep"

Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone.
Anthony Burgess

Oh Sleep! it is a gentle thing, beloved from pole to pole, to Mary Queen the praise be given! She sent the gentle sleep from Heaven, that slid into my soul.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge

The best bridge between despair and hope is a good night's sleep.
Anonymous

Feeling sleepy yet?

Consulting Your Doctor With Concerns About Your Lack Of Sleep. 

When Back Pain And Insomnia Need Help From Your Doctor.

If your lack of sleep is causing you problems you should consult a medical professional.
The Sleep Council -sleep advice
Advice from the Sleep Council on when to consult your doctor or healthcare professional. Some signs and symptoms of sleep disorders which may need medical attention.

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Tired Max

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Lose The Back Pain 

"Lose The Back Pain System" to help get rid of the back pain.

This is all about helping you to achieve some quality of sleep in spite of the fact you have back pain. However, you need to tackle the back pain and/or sciatica itself as well...

"Lose the Back Pain" is produced by The Healthy Back Institute.

If you have not yet tried it and are looking around for a back pain solution do consider.

It is very important that you treat the symptoms and the cause of your back pain and sciatica symptoms. What ever you do you wll not find long term relief just treating the symptoms or masking the pain.

So please consider all the sleep tips here and also consider ways to tackle the root cause of your symptoms, "lose the back pain" may work for you. Just follow the link to gain more information. You wont know if you don't try...
Lose the Back Pain System
If you would like to try a great stretching and strengthening system to help rid yourself of the back pain and sciatica follow the link to learn more. Also includes excellant advice on pain relief strategies.

Stop Press! Free Trial of Lose The back Pain System :) 

Try out Lose the Back Pain

I just got an e mail from The Healthy Back Institute which said they are releasing a free trial of the Lose the back pain system so people can try it out to see if they like it.

They have had such great reviews of this package and they know how much it helps many people they want you to have a period of time try it out first without paying a penny ...or a dime :)

This is a great opportunity for you to check it out if you have been putting it off or if you are unsure. If you have been reading my blog or back pain squidoos you know that I have used it to get rid of my own back pain.
Free trial Lose The Back Pain
However as you might expect this free promotion of Lose the Back Pain is only going to be available for a limited time.

Grab yours now by clicking the link above...

When you are transferred to the page just scroll down a little bit to see the free trial.

Love You To Visit My Blog :) 

LIFE WITH MY PET BACK BLOG
My Blog about back pain and sciatica. Me blogging about back issues. I also draw on others experience and experts/articles in the field from time to time. I try to include things here that helped me, gave me information, insight or inspiration. It is my passion to help people who have back pain to get information and inspiration and to be in control. I would love for you to drop by and say Hi :)

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Back Pain Mistakes 

Which Back Pain Mistakes Could You Be Making?

Wouldn't you like to know what mistakes you are making that are keeping you in pain?

Several years ago, The Healthy Back Institute put together an audio CD discussing the seven most commom mistakes that people make that are keeping them in pain and holding them back from fully enjoying their lives. For the last few years, they sold this CD for $29.

However, now they have decided to give away this audio for FREE!!

Click the link below to learn more...
7 Back Pain Mistakes
If you suffer from back pain, you need to listen to this audio as it will tell you if you are making any of these back pain mistakes.

Click on the Link "7 Back PAin Mistakes " Above to see which mistakes you might be making.

My Other Back Pain Related Lenses 

Feel Free to visit these too for more on Back Pain and Sciatica Relief.

Sleepy Sentiments :) 

Love to hear your comments, back pain and sleep tips.

Love to hear from you if you like this lens, if it has helped you at all, or if you have any sleep tips you would like to share for back pain sufferers to use. Please leave your comments, bookmark us on social sites and if you think we deserved it some stars(we love that!)

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Sincerley wishing you Sweet Dreams zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Nimsy

Great lens. I wouldn't give up my memory foam pillow for anything! Do drop by my sleep tips lens...

Posted July 17, 2008

scarfeet

my back ache cause me a lot of trouble in my sleep your lens is quite informative and seems like these tips might help. thanks for sharing. 5 stars for you

Posted July 14, 2008

richgerman

voted 5 stars for this! very informative lens and this could be a great help for us a lens masters here! it somehow acquired us a new knowledge and i hope everyone could read this topic... nice...keep on posting!

do you also use the law of attraction in your life?

Posted July 12, 2008

poddys

Very nice lens. 5***** Fortunately having lost 20lbs I have been almost totally free of back pain. Before I used to get a lot of trapped nerves, and slipped a disk 20 years ago. Definitely if you are overweight it puts a lot of strain on your back.

Posted July 04, 2008

romyraut

Those sleep positions sound great will try and experience..

Posted June 29, 2008

daviddorf

I have started Yoga recently for my back..
Your lens was informative, Thanks

Posted June 29, 2008

marywhitewhite

I just visited a doctor for Sciatica, Thanks for this lens..

Posted June 29, 2008

Hhank

I suffer from Back Pain, it is really pathetic to have one. Your lens was quite informative.

Posted June 29, 2008

 
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