Was There a Real Sweeney Todd?
The Story of Sweeney Todd
For Those Who Don't Already Know It

The legendary Sweeney Todd as you know him made his very first appearance in a Victorian penny dreadful series first published from 1846-1847 entitled The String of Pearls. Since that time, he has also appeared repeatedly in many other works of fiction. However, the most popular adaptation of Sweeney's story is Stephen Sondheim's 1979 theater musical Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street. The recent musical film directed by Tim Burton and starring Johnny Depp is, of course, based on Sondheim's stage production.
Although the details of Sweeney's story vary depending on which one you know, the gist of the tale remains the same. Sweeney Todd owns a barber shop located at 186 Fleet Street in London, right next to St. Dunstan's church. Todd disposes of wealthy or well-to-do clients in the following way. His barber chair is rigged to tip the customers backwards out of the chair and through an attached trap door. From there they fall into the basement, usually either breaking their necks or cracking their skulls in the process. Sometimes he slits their throats first with one of his frighteningly sharp razors. Sometimes he does so in the basement if the fall did not kill the victim outright. Todd also robs the victims of any worldly goods they may have upon their person.
When it came to disposing of the bodies, he turned to his friend, lover, or partner in crime (depending on the version of the tale) Mrs. Lovett. Mrs. Lovett owns a pie shop located in nearby Bell Yard. As times are hard and meat to make the pies is scarce, she begins using Todd's victims instead, subsequently serving them up to her unsuspecting London clientele. In most versions of the Sweeny Todd story, the barber shop and the pie shop are connected by way of an underground tunnel.
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That IS Just a Story, Right?
Or is it?
Sweeney Todd is what one would call a legendary figure. Legends by definition are made-up stories or myths that have a real person or series of events as their basis. However, as with many legends, how much of Sweeney or his gruesome backstory is indisputably true is unknown and is much disputed by scholars.Peter Alexander Haining, a British author and journalist, has written two books arguing that Sweeney Todd was indeed a real-life figure who supposedly committed his grisly crimes around the turn of the 19th century. According to Haining, Mrs. Lovett was also a very real personage and Todd's accomplice just as the story says, as were their infamous shops, and his account of their crimes is almost identical to the well-known stories. (The real-life account, of course, lacks quite a bit of the heightened romance and melodrama to be found in Sondheim's wonderful musical, but the basic structure of the story is there.)
Sweeney Todd was eventually brought to justice and hung, while Mrs. Lovett committed suicide by poison before she could be made to testify against Todd or stand trial herself. Their crimes were discovered when the stench generated by some of the abandoned carcasses rotting in St. Dunstan's underground tunnel system began to penetrate the church itself. It was said to have eventually become so vile that ladies had to resort to holding handkerchiefs soaked with vinegar or perfume over their noses just to make it through the service.
On one hand, it was quite common for the subjects of the pulp novels, or "Newgate novels" as they were sometimes also called, like the ones Sweeney Todd first appeared in to come directly from real life. This makes it seem likely that Sweeney's tale, like the others, was also at least inspired by real life events. However, when other scholars subsequently attempted to verify Haining's claims, they were unable to do so, so whether or not Sweeney Todd, Mrs. Margery Lovett, and the mass murders associated with them really existed remains a mystery.
Read More About Sweeney Todd
- Sweeney Todd On Wikipedia
- A great place to start for a general overview, as well as links to more information on each of the individual personages from the stories.
- String of Pearls by Thomas Prest
- An e-text of the original penny dreadful in which Sweeney Todd made his very first literary appearance.
- Sweeney Todd: Man or Myth
- Read an extensive article on the (possible) true life account of Sweeney Todd, Mrs. Lovett, and their crimes.
- The Victorian Dictionary
- Awesome site that covers many, many aspects of the world in which Sweeney Todd lived -- Victorian London. Read about everything from what Victorians ate to what the prison system was like.
What Do You Think?
Do you think Sweeney Todd and Mrs. Lovett were real folks?
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shannon_hilson says:
I think it's probably quite likely that they were real, so I'd have to say I lean more toward "yes" than "no". However, part of me likes that it's not known 100% for sure. It allows Sweeney to remain at least something of a mystery.
Posted October 17, 2008
Nope
What You Could Expect From Your Friendly Neighborhood Barber Way Back When
And What That Darned Red and White Pole Is All About
Back in the good old days, barbers did a whole lot more than just offer a shave and a haircut, as the specialization of professions is really a relatively new custom. Many barbers also took care of a lot of things that could be considered far more surgical in nature, including the pulling of teeth and bloodletting, which was still a common practice in those days. They also often performed procedures like enemas.Barbers also often made and sold wigs, as quite a few women with long hair were forced to sell it in order to obtain money for food and shelter. It wasn't uncommon for the barber to keep objects such as long braids of hair they had shorn, or jars full of teeth they had pulled, on display in the front windows of their shop to advertise their full range of services to potential customers.
The red and white barber pole that symbolizes the barber profession even today, despite the fact that few people know its origins, is also a direct nod to some of the barber's original services. A customer that came in for a bloodletting would be asked to grab a staff to help the veins in the arm stand out, after which their flesh would be cut and allowed to bleed until the customer fainted. (Sounds fun, doesn't it... not to mention healthy.) Eventually, when leech therapy became a popular alternative, that was often used instead.
Bloody bandages from the procedure itself would then be washed and hung out on the barber pole (early ones were wooden staves topped by leech bowls) to dry in order to further advertise the barber's services. They would often blow around in the wind and wrap around the pole in the process, causing it to look very much like a more gruesome version of the modern barber poles we know today.
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So... How Much Did the Original Sweeney Look Like Johnny Depp?

Not a whole lot, actually. Of course, no one really knows for sure. If whether or not the man existed at all is still in question, it would stand to reason there are not any photos of him to go by. However, we do have the original description from the early Sweeney Todd manuscripts to go by, although you must take the description with the proverbial grain of salt. Penny dreadfuls tended to be a bit stereotypical in their portrayals of the folks they were based on.
Sweeney was originally described as a very frightening-looking man with flaming red hair, pale skin and heavy eyebrows that seemed to meet over his nose. He was also said to possess beady, evil-looking eyes that glimmered with malice and to be so hideous to look upon overall that it was a wonder his customers didn't run screaming from him on sight. (Not too much like Johnny, although I must admit he seemed to have the evil eye thing down pat.) Sweeney was also portrayed as someone who was perpetually in a foul mood, often complaining about the high levels of crime and drunkenness outside his doors, and heaping abuse upon the young apprentices he hired to help out in the shop.
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Recipe for (Non-Canabalistic) Meat Pie

Meat pies, or humble pies as they were also known, are thought to be the beginnings of takeaway food as we know it today. You could buy these tasty little morsels for as little as a penny and had the choice of either eating them on the premises or taking them with you to eat on the go. Try making your own sometime. The recipe is for a big pie, but you could certainly buy short crust pie pastry and divvy up the filling to make smaller ones, or pocket-style ones, as well. Mmm, mmm... good!
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1 onion, diced
2 tbsp. butter
2 c. cooked meat, cubed in 1 inch
1 1/4 c. milk or gravy
1 1/2 tbsp. flour
1 c. cooked peas
1 c. cooked carrots, sliced
1 c. boiled potatoes, diced
1 tbsp. Worcestershire sauce
Salt
1/2 pie shell
Brown the onion in butter; add meat. Sear well. Remove meat and onion from frying pan and add the flour, milk or gravy and the Worcestershire sauce. Blend well. Grease a baking dish. Fill with the meat, vegetables and sauce. Cover with pie pastry. Make cuts with a knife in top of pie. Seal around the edges by pressing with a fork. Bake 450 degrees for half an hour.
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