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Fair Tax
The FairTax would be the largest transfer of power from the bureaucrats and elected officials to the people in the history of this country. The FairTax is obviously not flawless. But no system is. Certainly not the system of taxation currently in place. What do you think of the FairTax? All of the arguments agaist it have been sufficiently and factually refuted. Maybe you can prove it wrong.
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What's your take on the FairTax? Should it be passed into law or should we keep the system we have? Leave your opinion here. There's a comment section below that will let you enter a more detailed criticism or comment. Some of my responses are there as well.
Is The FairTax All It's Cracked Up To Be?
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Concerned parent says:
MarkDC is Mark Douglas Curran of Quincy, Illinois. A convicted pedophile. This man is certifiably insane as evidenced by his blog: http://fairtaxabsurdity.blogspot.com
Also see: http://absurdityofabsurdity.blogspot.com
Posted June 25, 2008
Big D says:
Amen! Finally, a fair system of taxation! Sign the FairTax petition!
Posted June 25, 2008
Mr_Tax_Equality_Man says:
A Flat Tax is not a "Fair Tax", it only taxes people paying taxes, and that is only 19% of the workforce. Please read...
http://www.squidoo.com/Mr_Tax_Equality_Man. It really details the differences... Thanks and Keep Fighting...
Posted May 04, 2008
Mr_Tax_Equality_Man says:
A COnsumption Tax is a FAIR Tax, and you are absolutely RIGHT! It reinstills the people with the Power. This Country was inhabited for Religious Believes but it was formed because of Taxation, Remember the "Boston Tea Party"? Do you remember why that took place? and what happened shortly after? The American Revolutionary War! Please check out my articles, I am just starting and it would mean a great deal to me... Thanks - Tim
Posted May 04, 2008
Mickey says:
Shove the IRS into a deep dark place where it belongs. They soak up close to 25% of the revenue brought in by the income tax. If they were in the private sector as an accounting firm, they would have been fired long ago. Whether or not we like the thought of paying taxes, it is a necessary evil, and the fairtax is far and away a more efficient way of obtaining revenue. Everybody from drug dealers to churches would be paying taxes, and most people would be much better off than they are now.
Posted April 11, 2008
AndreaB says:
I would much prefer to see income taxes fall by the wayside all together (and considerably reducing the size and scope of the government). Absent that, the Fair Tax is much better than the volumes of indecipherable tax code we are currently working with.
Posted March 19, 2008
BigJim says:
FrugalWench - This not being an anti-tax discussion, your comments would be more appropriate elsewhere. All of us understand that government, a necessary evil, must be funded. We propose the FairTax as the fairest and most transparent way to do that. It also lessens your preceived "threat" of the IRS by eliminating it.
Posted March 15, 2008
FrugalWench says:
Well, since it's been proven that the government has no right to tax us at all, why are we still even paying taxes? Because we're afraid, that's why! They can't legally tax us, but if we don't pay the illegal taxes, they can seize anything we own without a warrant. Did you know that the branch of the government that the IRS is part of, the Justice Department (also home to the DEA), is the ONLY branch of law enforcement ANYWHERE that can enter and seize your property without a warrant? Who gave them that right, and shouldn't we take it away?
Posted March 14, 2008
Amy Houston says:
The fair tax will make everyone pay. It will also bring trillions of dollars from off-shore acounts back into the US economy. It is fair. Read about it at www.fairtax.org and sign the petition.
Posted March 07, 2008
Susan52 says:
It's all it's cracked up to be and even more. Study it if you're not sure. There are so many ways it would benefit Americans and our economy. We NEED the FairTax!
Posted March 06, 2008
BigJim says:
Loyalis - I have reponded to your question in Guestbook below. Thanks.
Posted February 26, 2008
Loyalis says:
The only question I have about the fair tax is how do you address behaviour? In the past, the tax system has been used for two things, raising revenues, and enforcing behaviour (i.e. taxes on polluting industries). With a fair tax, how do you continue to create behavorial change through the tax system? and if you can't, what do you do instead?
Posted February 24, 2008
BigJim says:
The FairTax needs to be implemented immediately. Let me decide what to do with MY MONEY!
Posted February 23, 2008
No. There's A Better Way.
BFuniv.com says:
Lets just take the sum of all taxes, fees, etc back to the total they were at when the founding fathers rebelled -- about 3%. That would be an economic stimulus package and a fair tax.
Then we could fight that.
Posted May 08, 2008
MarkDC says:
Fairtax is pretty much a farce, bro. And here is the biggest reason --it depends on absurdities -- like the federal government paying a major portion of its own taxes.
Neal Boortz wrote in Fair Tax Book, page 148 "The federal government itself will become a MAJOR taxpayer."
Here is a clue - the government can't be a taxpayer, if it has to WRITE the check to itself.
That's just the begining of the absurdities. But if you think the government can pay its own taxes, you will believe any thing.
A better way is to have all income types pay the same rates. No matter if you worked your rear end off for it, or got in stock market, or inherited it. Whatever. Call income, "income" and quit screwing those who work for it by taxing them 300% higher than unearned income.
Posted March 13, 2008
affiliateelitediscount says:
It would be a disaster to implement such a tax. Doing so would create in essence a "head tax" or capitation tax which is against the constitution.
One of the steps in implementing the fair tax is a repeal of the 16th amendment. This amendment did not change or give any more power to the government regarding taxes then previously allowed.
The problem is not the tax system it is people's understanding of the current system as it is in place. The answer is to understand the tax code as IT IS WRITTEN and then you will clearly see if you are actually liable for any income tax.
The biggest misconception is the belief that all income or money one receives is taxable. This is definitely not the case, although the IRS is very comfortable letting you belief that it is.
I whole heartedly belief that if you do have taxable income you should pay your taxes. You need to understand the difference.
The fair tax however would be levied across the board as a broad strategy which would be anything but fair.
The answer is not change it is understanding and clarity.
Posted March 09, 2008
The FairTax Books
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Support For The FairTax
Let's Be Fair
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BigJim
Grasshoppa-Thanks for your msg. The FairTax and government spending are seperate but related ideas. Of course we need to elect representative who are more fiscally responsible. But it is at least as essential to get the FairTax enacted NOW! We have to do both. It's all our responsibility. Posted May 06, 2008 |
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Grasshoppa
I've pretty much concluded that none of this is going to matter until we start electing congressmen who can (and will) actually spend our money responsibly. Posted May 05, 2008 |
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Mr_Tax_Equality_Man
A Flat Tax is not a "Fair Tax", it only taxes people paying taxes, and that is only 19% of the workforce. Please read... Posted May 04, 2008 |
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BigJim
Loyalis - Posted March 05, 2008 |
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Loyalis asks above - "With a fair tax, how do you continue to create behavorial change through the tax system?" Posted February 26, 2008 |
Response
To Some Common Criticisms
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In response to MarkDC in the Duel module above:
If you base validity of a system upon "absurdities", then the balance clearly falls upon the side of the FairTax. Nothing is more absurd than our current system of taxation.
The government "paying its own taxes" is addressed in more detail in FairTax: The Truth. The federal government consumes goods and services just like anyone else. Not paying taxes on these gives the government an unfair advantage over private industries making those businesses essentially subsudize their competition.
If the government can't be a taxpayer to itself then it seems that it should not now tax the wages of it's own employees. Is that not the same concept of "writing the check to itself." I'm sure there are many instances of the government paying it's own taxes already.
"A better way is to have all income types pay the same rates." This is EXACTLY what the FairTax does... bro. It rewards hard work and good business decisions by taxing consumption irrespective of wealth.
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Response to affiliateelitediscount in the Duel module above:
I'm not a legal scholar, but the common definition that I found of Capitation Tax is:
An assessment levied by the government upon a person at a fixed rate regardless of income or worth.
Since it is a tax upon the individual, and not upon merchandise, a capitation tax is frequently labeled a head tax. A poll tax is a capitation tax. (italics mine.)
Being a tax upon consumption, the FairTax is clearly, by definition, not a capitation tax.
Not understanding the minutia of arcane tax law doesn't preclude me from assuming that the repeal of the 16th amendment is not an argument against the FairTax, but possibly just about one aspect of its implemantation. If the 16th amendment "did not change or give any more power to the government regarding taxes then (sic) previously allowed", then what would be the point of repealing it?
If you read the books you'll see that the authors point out the fact that even the IRS' own help and support people don't know the correct answers a great deal of the time. Understanding the tax code "as it is written" therefor is one of the best arguments against it. It is not even understood by the people who are in charge of implementing it.
The rest of your comments actually provide excellent arguments for the FairTax as well.
** The FairTax shifts taxes away from "income or money one receives" taxing consumption rather than wealth.
** We clearly recognize the need to pay taxes. And the FairTax "levied across the board" would be precisely, again by definition, the fairest way. The FairTax was designed specifically with "understanding and clarity" as its underlying purpose.
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"The Fair Tax proposes to shift taxes around, not reduce taxes one little bit (not even a little!). The Fair Tax proposal institutes welfare for all (prebates). Neither of these ideas is a net improvement. The federal government needs to reduce spending and we need to roll back taxes (and not replace them with a National Retail Sales Tax)."
Thane Eichenauer posted the comment above to the FairTax Book lens and I wanted to respond and explain why these common criticisms are inaccurate and invalid.
"The Fair Tax proposes to shift taxes around..." The only shifting of taxes by the FairTax is shifting it from taxing wealth to taxing consumption. A much more fair process. It doesn't modify the current tax system: it replaces it.
"...not reduce taxes one little bit (not even a little!)." The FairTax is not designed to reduce taxes. It is designed to fund the government at the current levels. It will reduce the tax burden most greatly for those with the lowest income levels and the middle class.
"The Fair Tax proposal institutes welfare for all (prebates)." The prebate untaxes all US citizens up to the level of purchasing the basic neccessities of life. ALL citizens; that's fair. And the prebate makes the FairTax progressive. The government should not have a claim to the first dollars spent in a household that go towards meeting the basic necessities for that houshold. Welfare is redistribution of wealth, ie siezing money from one group in order to give it to another.
"The federal government needs to reduce spending and we need to roll back taxes..." The FairTax is not meant to address either one of these areas. And this is plainly stated in all of the literature. Reducing government spending, as the authors say, is a different kettle of fish. Criticizing the FairTax for not reducing spending is like boycotting the Celtics for not beating the Patriots. It is just not a valid criticism.
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