The Gay Issue

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Being Gay is Still The Topic De Jour - a Big Issue.

The issue of homosexuality is still a big thing for some. For others it is done and dusted, they no longer think it is an issue and are happy to let it be. The number accepting it are growing, but there is still plenty of debate, prejudice and controversy on this subject. Gay marriage has thrust it further into the limelight, with different nations and states choosing to rule differently on this, the time to debate it is most definitely now.

Okay, I will come clean, I am a straight man, so what could I possibly know. Well, although it may not count for much some peoples eyes, some very close friends of mine, and even some family, are gay. I have seen them go through the negative and discriminatory attention they receive for it.

I cannot say I entirely understand "what a gay person thinks" or why some people find the issue so disturbing that they become homophobic. All I know is that it is becoming a divisive issue and without discussion and debate on it, there can not be understanding.

This lens is however more about presenting some of the issues around this, and asking you what you think.

My use of the word Gay 

For the sake of this article, for convenience, I will use the term Gay to describe Homosexual males, females (Lesbians) and Bisexual people or behaviour. Sorry if that offends you, but I am not going to write out every grouping every time.

I know that for an older generation, or for English teachers, this word has a very different meaning of simply being happy. As far as I know, it was adopted as a way of describing the happiness felt by someone who has finally accepted their own sexuality and ceased denying it.

For a very much younger generation, calling something "gay" is used a general term of dislike, and is not intended as a homosexual slur. I will not use it in that context.

Being Gay 

At the moment, there is a huge debate about what it means to be Gay. I think it is worth exploring different streams of thought on this. I am going to approach with objectives first and try not to advocate any. Do not read these as my opinions - just an attempt to reflect those out there.


  • Being Gay is a lifestyle

    Some people like to show being gay as a complete lifestyle choice. This means that it is something you buy into as a whole, Gay friends, gay music, gay clothes etc.. Or it could simply mean that you are a gay person for life. This engenders statements like "only a gay man would buy another man perfume".


  • Being gay is only the love life.

    A gay person has many straight friends, and other than their choice of partner, has a lifestyle indistinguishable from a straight person - they go to the same clubs/pubs, watch the same "kind of films" - as if people were that simple anyway.


  • Being gay makes you part of a "gay community".

    Is there a "Gay community", is it that people who are gay feel more easily accepted by other gay people, more likely to be open minded about their orientation. In modern life, has this dissolved as gay people have integrated with the heterosexual community?


  • Being gay is permanent

    So it is something that once someone is gay, they are always gay, they do not dip in and out of, they become and stay gay. How this becomes the way is covered elsewhere.


  • Being gay is a fad.

    It is something someone does for a little bit, just to be awkward, cool or different, they will grow out of it one day. They are perhaps in denial, or just having fun. One day they will change.


  • A single Gay encounter

    May be kept to one time, or may spark a whole lifestyle change. Will it be for life, or will it be an experience someone does not want to experience again? Will it even perhaps make someone bisexual - partial to both?


  • Being gay is something learned

    Is it learned behaviour? Can you learn, from your environment, or through some family situation, to become gay?


  • Being gay is genetic/hereditary/congenital

    Could it be something that some people are born with? Perhaps it is a disposition, that in many lies unfulfilled, or perhaps (in some peoples eyes) untempted.


  • Being gay is a natural thing

    Animals can be gay can't they. Research shows many mammals do have some gay behaviour in some individuals. It is not restricted to humans. Should this have any bearing on peoples attitudes toward it?


  • Being gay is a mental illness

    Some believe that this is something that can be cured, if only the right psychiatric/spiritual/physiological key can be found. That it is some kind of pestilence.


  • Gay people only fancy gay people

    Some people think that a gay person is only interested in other gay people and will not be attracted to a heterosexual person.


Material on Homosexuality and Christianity 

A Book of Prayer: For Gay and Lesbian Christians

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Bulletproof Faith: A Spiritual Survival Guide for Gay and Lesbian Christians

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This Remarkable Gift: Being Gay & Catholic

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Is the nature of being/feeling gay still an important part of the debate? 

A really important question here has been whether it is a learned behaviour, or a natural thing. The very progressive will say, why does it matter - people should be allowed to chose or be their sexuality and be accepted for it. The very conservative will also say, why does it matter, it is still wrong.

Perhaps it is time not to focus on this distinction, but it currently exists all the same. Do you think it should be important in this issue, or do you think that it being a choice or nature are besides the point? Your answer should be regardless of this coming from the liberal or conservative view.

Is the behaviour vs nature question relevant?

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No, it should be treated the same way regardless.

Naked_Girl says:

Homosexuality is like greatness: Some are born gay, some achieve gayness and some have gayness thrust upon them.

There are those of us who know we are gay from a very very young age, so you could argue it's genetic. Some of us start to realise we are gay much later in life, and it's a journey through sexuality, so you could argue it's behavioural. And some of us meet a person who knocks our socks off, and even though we don't think of ourselves as gay, we are for this person. And that's inexplicable.

I think sexuality is fluid, arguments can be made for nature or nurture, but it shouldn't matter either way.

Stazjia says:

A person's sexual orientation is nobody's business but their own. I really object to people setting themselves up as judge and jury on other people's behaviour as long as it doesn't break the law.

dannystaple says:

Ah but from my point of view, even if it is chosen behaviour, that still should not justify Christian, Muslim or other hate groups. Also, those hate groups and people offering a "cure" will not stop even if it is proven. Proof rarely appeals to such people. I would like to think that if someone chose to have a mix of gay and het relationships that they would not be maltreated for it. Disproof/proof of genetic disposition should not permit bigotry.

dannystaple says:

My own opinion on this is that my view on the gay issue will not be altered by if the behaviour is learned, nurtured, chosen or genetic.

Yes, it makes every difference.

mysticmama says:

Yes it is relevent in the reality that fundamental Christian hate groups are still using "chosen lifestyle" to feul their hate campaigns. Science has proven that it is genetic, but hate groups refuse to aknowledge facts and are still actively trying to "cure" gay people.

Neil says:

I think if it is ever proven to be a natural thing then that is one additional argument to relieve any guilt which a gay person may feel from the verbal abuse that may have gone his way.

 

Islamic resources on Homosexuality 

A Jihad for Love

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Gay Travels in the Muslim World

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Sex Longing & Not Belonging : A Gay Muslim's Quest for Love & Meaning

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Islamic Homosexualities: Culture, History, and Literature

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Do you accept gay people/behaviour? 

Are you at peace with the concept? Or are you going to fight this thing tooth and claw? DO you think it should be suppressed and driven out, or that it should be expressed (at least with some propriety - like heterosexual relationships) and permitted?

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Should gay people be accepted?

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Yes, me, my freind, neighbour, brother or sister are gay.

Naked_Girl says:

I'd say I'm quite acceptable, thanks very much ;)

Stazjia says:

Certainly. I have friends who are gay and they have been there for me when I needed a friend as have straight friends. I don't judge my friends or acquaintances by their sexual orientation - it's none of my business.

mysticmama says:

It's sad that this is even a question in today's world. All people should be accepted, and anyone who uses "christianity" to hate gays is not very christian!

No, I am a fully paid up member of the Westborough Baptist Church

 

Resources on Gay Marriage 

Beyond (Straight and Gay) Marriage: Valuing All Families under the Law (Queer Ideas)

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Why Marriage Matters: America, Equality, and Gay People's Right to Marry

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Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America

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On Gay Marriage 

One subject that has certainly brought this area front and centre of religious and political discussion are same sex marriages. There are many schools of thought on this. I have tried to describe each as if from that point of view. Again - do not mistake those views for my own.


  • Marriage, is defined by the bible as a man and a woman.
    If you are a biblical scholar, I do not know if this can actually truly be found in scripture, but it is something that is often said. This would mean that by its very definition it excludes gay marriage.

  • Marriage allows a couple to show their dedication to each other
    Regardless of their sexuality, by being together, a couples bond is increased by celebrating and making formal their relationship. It means that society as a whole is more cohesive, and because people are supporting each other, less of a burden to the state as they look after each other. They are more likely to have good, happy lives.

  • Marriage is only for the sake of children.
    A gay couple is unlikely to have children (adoption topics aside) so marriage, being for the sake of children, is pointless and should not be supported for gay couples. This may mean it is also not suitable for those not intending or otherwise unable to have children.

  • Allowing gay marriage weakens the concept of marriage.
    Allowing this cheapens marriage, makes it more of a casual thing. Gay people are expected to be more promiscuous so this makes it more likely that divorces will follow. Diluting it to allow further definition may open up a can of worms to allow many other forms of marriage - like bigamy.

  • Consenting adults who love each other should be able to make this choice.
    Love should be allowed to express itself in this form. It is an affront to love that marriages representing almost business-like arrangements between hetero couples are allowed when marriages representing only love between homosexual couples are not permitted.

  • Marriage is a matter of expressing a long term love - Any couple wanting to really show long term love should consider this to show their commitment to each other.

  • Any marriage is a bonding of people that is good for the fabric of society, be it straight or gay

  • A Gay Couple, through marriage should be able to expect some of the legal privileges through marriage that any straight couple should.



What is your opinion? What would you add?

Do you support gay marriage?

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Why not, if people love each other, it should be their choice.

Stazjia says:

I know gay couples who have been together for more than 30 years - a lot longer than many 'straight' marriages. Of course, gay couples should be allowed to make a legal and public commitment to each other.

mysticmama says:

Of course, especially in todays society were gay marriages often last longer than "straight" marriages, it's sad that so many people treat marriage as a temporary condition.

Marriage should only be for one man and one woman.

 

Online resources on this difficult subject 

There is plenty to read on this, especially in political and evangelical quarters. Here are some of the more well thought out commentaries on this:


  • An evangelical change of heart on sexuality | Ekklesia
    Ekklesia are a British Evangelical Christian think tank, looking at the issues of the age. This is a well thought out and well put piece on the subject which may cause some to really examine their beliefs. Among other things, it compares the current controversy around homosexuality to similar historic controversies around slavery.

  • Homosexuality - a hot topic on Religious Tolerance.org
    Religious Tolerance.org is a site with many well researched essays examining all sides of difficult and divisive topics right now. Regardless of your beliefs on this issue, reading this site and examine the opposing viewpoints will allow you to understand others better on this.

Gay Issues on the web 

Media and Blog snippets about this issue.
Fear the rainbow! / A storm is gathering. Are you afraid, Christian? Are you afraid *enough*?
Great tongue in cheek article discussing the shrill voices of the homophobic few.

A little humour 

While this is a serious subject, perhaps it is too serious. People from both sides of this debate could do with a sense of humour on it, and sometimes, having a laugh about a subject will allow you to put down any hatefulness and be a little more at peace with each other on it, or at least go about your life and business without it consuming you.

All Sorts: A Mixed Bag of Gay and Lesbian Sweeties

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The title image is based on The Gay Pride/Rainbow Flag and The Pink Triangle symbol. I brought them together using Inkscape. It is not my intention to offend anyone with this image, please use the feedback to inform me if it does.

I am aware there are versions of this as a flag with the symbol on the hoist or canton (whatever those mean), but being ignorant of flags, I plonked it in the middle.

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