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Come on and show us this God you're always blabbering on about
There is no God
If there is a God, then why don't you show God to us right here on this web page. Come on and prove it! Show us God. I mean that literally. Where is this God? Show us what he looks like. After all, if God can go around having children like Jesus, he could show up on this web site, right? Or, doesn't he have enough power? Is he a weak little wimpy God?
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There is no God
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bg says:
ur a fuking wierdos u need help ur goin to go to hell god is EVERYTHING just wait till jugment day!
Posted October 06, 2008
Jeana-marie says:
you cant prove that there is one
Posted September 25, 2008
bfwe1atnet says:
Why Atheism?Simple common sense!
1st criteria is the story,since every one,every thing,every religion,Etc.Etc. and so on has their or its story that is their personal proof of what they have a belief in.And as far as things things can usually be traced by scientific evidence as to it's authenticity & thus story.2nd is Logic which to me is most important in my opinion.That is does what a persons place or thing make any logical sense which can be put to the test by scientific means & other ways of proving logic such as a mathematical proof.Of course with people Logic sometimes doesn't work due to the nature of the beast.But I digress logic is otherwise a reasonable test to get at a truth as is evident in daily life.You gotta use logic every day to get around to things such as balancing bank accounts as well as finding Your way to a destination etc..3rd criteria and most Rigid I use is as mentioned above does it pass the smell test!Or in other words does what a person place or thing's story pass the test of a rigid scientific scrutiny.If anyone person's story cannot be backed up by some kind of logical scientific inquiry thus removing all doubt as to it's or their's authenticity then I tend to be skeptical of them or it.All this culminating in my saying every now and then about religion's etc. in that they were "all created" during man's early period of life on this planet & for the most part don't pass the smell test because they cannot pass a rigid logical nor scientific means of testing their truths as such & therefore I tend to be skeptical of their authenticity as well as their entire motivations as to why they were created to begin with.I can say that Religion as well as other things were created during man's early years but some of those things (such as laws of physics IE: E=MC2) have indeed passed the smell test but others have not & have yet to be given total scientific scrutiny.Therefore Atheism is proof because it cannot be scientifically disproven.And Religion (any kind) cannot be scientifically proven but can be disproven.
Posted September 20, 2008
slvrbk says:
Oh sorry. I forgot that i needed to work hard to get god to love me. I need to read Job some more to learn my place. Now which god am I working for? The New Testament one that is a lovey-dovey, or the Old testament one that gave the Israelites rules such as "Have sex with a menstruating woman and you will be stoned to death." Oh, by the way, nice "cherry-picking" of bible passages to fit your needs in our modern world. The passages in the bible that Falwell and his ilk use(used) to condemn homosexuality also order yout to stone the the person to death or some vicious form of death. Maybe that is why I suffer these iniquities...I need to throw more rocks at fags to get on his good side. Of course it all depends on how you interpret your absolute book. Who gets assigned to do that, and which denomination should I follow? I need to get this right so my son will stop suffering. Should I call the Pope?
I agree with jvboy_17: crazyduck needs to get his ass back to school!
Posted September 18, 2008
crazyduck says:
jvboy_17
Your god is a f*ck*ng prick and nothing with that amount of prickness is worth believing in.
The absurdity of your prick god is only exceeded by your absurdity to believe in such a prick.
You should really look at your stupid rantings. You sound like a fool - an insensitive fool - a fool who has no independent thought and repeats only what he is told.
Posted September 17, 2008
slvrbk says:
Stand over your infant daughter's grave, or hold the swollen-jointed hand of your first grade son knowing he is in pain from the arthritis your genes probably gave him, and you will realize only one of 2 options exist: 1. No God, 2. God exists but he is is a game-playing SOB and/or not involved in your self-important life at all. Praise Jesus for allowing us all to grow to love love love and worship him thru the blood and pain of innocents. The only reason I want to even believe there is a god is so I can hate him...what do you call that?
Posted September 17, 2008
crazyduck says:
Hoogle
I feel sorry for you - lost at 6. A precious human life wasted on such nonsense is a human rights violation. I think you should sue - probably the Catholic Church 'cos they gots lots of money.
Jvboy_17
So what dude? You know theists die too and they become one with the soil and then get turned into bibles for other theists to read - but its not actually like that many religious people even *read* their bibles in the first place (and then when they do they get all confused with the twisting weaving incomprehensibility of it all and just simply believe whatever their preacher says - like you, I bet).
Your beliefs are you, so atheists can only attack the person - we can't attack a non-existent entity (aka your god). Sheesh.
And why are you religious lame-o's now defining your belief as non-religious? Look up the dictionary why don't you!
I really suggest you guys critically read through www.jesusneverexisted.com - it's full of *facts* not beliefs.
Posted August 14, 2008
crazyduck says:
'Nary a truer word has been spoken, godispretend.net
"God belief is lame-o."
Hear, hear!
Posted August 13, 2008
godispretend.net says:
God belief is lame-o.
Posted August 04, 2008
crazyduck says:
You'd better ease up on the booze there, jvboy_17...
To answer your question: "I Can't Find Any Text On The Bible That Stipulated Anything As The World Being Flat. Could Somebody On The Left Side Clear This For Us Please."
Well, would the Earth having "ends" indicate that the morons that wrote the bible might think it is flat? Try reading: Deuteronomy 33:17, I Kings 2:10, Job 28:24 and 37:3. I got bored with searching for more references to the "ends of the earth". The rest of the bible is the same nonsense garbage as that coming forth from you, jvboy_17.
AND LET ME STIPULATE AGAIN THAT GOD DOES NOT NEED YOUR BRAIN JVBOY_17 FOR HIM TO EXIST.
(That's very funny.) Have a nice day, ya hear!
Posted August 04, 2008
Camble says:
Concept of God is a psychotherapy for spiritual upliftment. Religion was just a code of conduct and had a marriage of convenience with the concept of God. See a full 'scientific' explanantion of what is the concept of God, how it evolved, how did religions originate and had this marriage of convenience with the therapy of God at http://pukamble.tripod.com/gandrframe.htm
Posted August 02, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
Apparently One Of Our Dear Atheist Friend Doesn't Know How To Have A Debate.
1/ "You Must Only Attack The Topic And Not The 2nd Person".
2/ "You Must Always Provide Proof And Evidences In Any Statement That You Declare".
Please Have Sense On Your Postings.
...I Apologize Myself Since I Am Also Out Of Topic Now.
I DARE YOU TO SHAKE MY FAITH!!!
"Men Created The Space Shuttle. They Reached The Heavens, But Didn't Find God?.
?Men Built Submarines And Went In Depths Of The Seas. God Is Not There?.
?Men Invented Telescopes And Saw The Distant Stars. Still No God To See.?.
?But Men Saw The MAJESTY, GREATNESS, COMPLEXITY and MASSIVENESS of the UNIVERSE? and they were AMAZED...MESMERIZED...
?And Then They Built Machines, Created Tools, Formulated Theories To Explain Things?. They Were Successful On Some, But Failed On The Most?.
?They Don't Have Answers, Because They Don't Have The Proper Machines, The Correct Tools And The Right Theories?.
Francis Collins, An Atheist Who Is Now A Believer States:
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?In my view,? explains Collins, ?there is no conflict in being a rigorous scientist and a person who believes in a God who takes a personal interest in each one of us. Science's domain is to explore nature. God's domain is in the spiritual world, a realm not possible to explore with the tools and language of science. It must be examined with the heart, the mind, and the soul -- and the mind must find a way to embrace both realms.
?I will argue that these perspectives not only can coexist within one person, but can do so in a fashion that enriches and enlightens the human experience. Science is the only reliable way to understand the natural world, and its tools when properly utilized can generate profound insights into material existence. But science is powerless to answer questions such as ?Why did the universe come into being?' ?What is the meaning of human existence?' ?What happens after we die?' One of the strongest motivations of humankind is to seek answers to profound questions, and we need to bring all the power of both the scientific and spiritual perspectives to bear on understanding what is both seen and unseen. The goal of this book is to explore a pathway toward a sober and intellectually honest integration of these views.?
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In Addition To This. The Big Bang Theory Cannot Factor Out Our Current Universe, Which Is Characterized By Complexity, Harmony and Order. The Big Bang is so Devastating And So Chaotic...If The Big Bang Is True, I Bet Your Nose Is In Your Forehead.
The ?Cosmological Argument? was been a great resource to prove God's excistence.
The Argument Dictates:
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1.Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2.Nothing finite and contingent can cause itself.
3.A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4.Therefore, a First Cause (or something that is not an effect) must exist.
Who Is This Cause? GOD!
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A scientist recently disputed Einstein's theory of gravity.
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?Gravity only appears to be an attractive force,? said gravity researcher Frank Thompson. ?In reality, it's a force that repels in the opposite direction. (Isaac) Newton and (Albert) Einstein are going to look pretty stupid after my paper is published.?
?Since gravity repels it only stands to reason that the Universe is expanding,? he said while writing equations on a chalkboard in his office. ?But this is confusing to Einstein's General Relativity zealots, because they still believe that gravity is an attractive force based on everyday observation. But a negative repulsive force can easily be mistaken for gravitational attraction. If you step out of an airplane in flight, for example, you may wonder why your body will splatter on the ground over a large area if gravity is not a force of attraction. The Earth's gravity is indeed trying to repel you, but it's just repelling you in the opposite direction from what you would expect. It's trying to push you through the Earth and out the other side into space.?
?Dark matter and dark energy are every bit as real as the tooth fairy,? Thompson explained. ?You only need them if you don't accept that gravity is a negative repulsive force. Stars stay organized in galaxies and clusters of galaxies not with the help of dark matter, but by repelling each other in a binding fashion. And who needs dark energy to explain the expansion of the Universe when gravitational repulsion is clearly responsible??
?My theory of repulsive gravity also explains the behavior of Einstein's hair,? he said.
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On this scenario should we still recognize ?Annus Mirabilis??
And what is this black matter? What made this? -- Or should the question be ?Who made it??
A recent Discovery Channel Documentary ?Rameses: Wrath Of God Or Man? imposes a very interesting hypothesis of what may have caused the 10 plagues. They have associated a volcanic activity may have triggered the said event. The frogs, hail, darkness..etc..all originated on this specific natural cause, which if you look closely to the odds, why would this occur on the same moment Moses is about to led the Israelites out of Egypt; somebody might have intervened.
I dare you to venture out and try reading some religious books. I have read science books, studies different religions, even atheism. ?A Christian would not understand Islam unless he tries to become a Muslim?. So as an unbeliever and a believer. After you learn, be creative with your thoughts ? science and religion often tend to coexist....
The bible story may not necessarily imply the creation story as it was written. But it rather recognized a Creator that must exist.
The evolution theory could be true ? but Someone may have intervened, for us to attain perfect evolution.
...Benjamin Franklin is dead, he discovered electricity, he did not create it. He is dead now.
...Phillip K. Dick is a good writer. But he is also mentally retard. He is also dead now.
...Dan Baker tackled religion, not God...religion can be foul, but God cannot be foul. How long would he live?
...Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche is a good philosopher, but he has serious mental illness. He is also dead now.
GOD would still tend to exist without Benjamin Franklin, Phillip K. Dick, Dan Baker, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche...AND NAME OTHER PEOPLE...People die, God doesn't...And why would I follow the teachings of mentally disturbed people (I can exempt Dan Baker on this)? GOD doesn't need your brain for Him to exist.
?Human discovers...but God created?.
The greatest question of everyone...If there is God...Why people suffer? Why are there disasters? How come some people are born ugly and with disorders?
People suffer because of ?free will? - if God would intervene all the time, it would be a very scary event when the skies strike those who committed sin. And we probably all be dead now.
People suffer because they want to, because people are bad.
People suffer because they don't want to help themselves. God will lift your spirit, God will use other people to assist you...But God is not a genie. Prayer is not asking for help, prayer is not a magical lamp, it is not entirely a problem solver. It is simply talking to God. Most atheist see prayer on a different manner.
There are disasters because nature has to balance itself. If there are no volcanic eruptions, Earth will explode.
There are disasters because men caused them.
People who are born with disorders are not really ugly. True beauty lies within.
Good day everyone. I need to talk to my God before I sleep. May blessings be upon you...
Posted August 02, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
If I die today I'll be a fertilizer like poopies(sweet!). Science declares - the law of conservation of mass - "matter/energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can be transformed". Everyone here on the left would be happy plant foods! yey!... It's not fair though, co'z I think that those those who are on the right are transformed into greater forms.
Posted August 01, 2008
crazyduck says:
animerobot,
You seem to be a nice kid, unfortunately your Mommy and Daddy are wrong and so are all the things they've been telling you (and that includes all the things the other "grown ups" in your church have been telling you). Have you ever cried yourself to sleep sometimes at night what with all this sin that you have in you? Poor child, you need to tell your parents to stop screwing with your head.
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P.S. On the last post I wrote, it's a pity we can't edit our posts. I want to be on the "right" side because us atheists are right, not left. Subconciously I want to be on the right side of things. Trouble is those dang religious nuts get to be on the right side...
Posted July 31, 2008
crazyduck says:
Don't apologize FoodLuva. We here on the right agree with you and encourage you to continue the 'fight' against superstituous ignorance.
However, those on the left need some 'shaking up' to get them to seriously do things like a bit of Googling, and - and this is the important bit - to simply think about what they are reading without taking it as a personal insult all the time. Scientists aren't being insulting if the actual evidence points to a zero statistical likelyhood for the existence of God. (And I'm not talking just about the physical sciences here - Historians also fail to find evidence of the things written about in the "Holy Bible".)
*Everybody* should have a good in-depth read of Richard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion". The book doesn't try to insult anybody the way so called "compassionate Christians" insult those who disagree with *them*. It's a book full of facts backed-up by evidence and some basically obvious statements about people in general, without needing any recourse to religion to explain any of it.
And after reading jvboy_17's rant again, I see that he has failed completely in even trying to understand the things he is refuting. I'll guarantee he has just repeated what he was told at "bible study" class, which is really just propaganda (which is what Hitler used to raise the people of Germany into WW2). Thank the lord for bums like jvboy_17...
Posted July 31, 2008
MisssThis says:
No! He does not!! I'm sorry, but I FINALLY get to say what I want about this. People say that everything came from him, where did he come from? They say he was always there... what? No, but why do we want to find out so bad? We will lose all of our knowledge when we die anyway. Did "god" kill the dinosaurs? why would he? We all came from gorillas. It's not as crazy as it sounds, google it!! I reallize about 80 percent of us believe, but thats because our parents force it. We need to stand up for what WE, not everyone else believes in. Nonbelievers can be just as good people. I do not wish to insult anyone, just to make a point.
~RK~
Posted July 30, 2008
crazyduck says:
Torian Kel you're on the wrong side freako boy. all religion is a disease and it must be stamped out. there's no "end it all here" about it. religion is a madness of the mind, and it's not cool even if a billion people share the same delusion. just more stupid you for being sucked in by what somebody else tells you to do
there's no point arguing with the insane religious... they do have a mental problem after all. maybe medication is what they need to fix their brains?
Posted July 28, 2008
Torian Kel says:
Look around you, what do you see? can all of these came from nothing? a question both a believer and a unbeliever cannot even if they think they are the most "intelligent" people in the world . Yes, wars have been fought in name of zealousness,thousands so called heretics died during the inquisition, and even more during the crusades, and the list go on. And we blame this all to God. Because it is human nature to blame others for their failures and that is a fact. It is easier for us to blame others rather than be responsible enough to face our faults. Another thing, I think it doesn't really matter if your a atheist or a theist as long as we all work for the betterment of mankind. Let us not waste time arguing about something that we know deep inside is true, atheist or not.Let us all end it all here.
Posted July 27, 2008
crazyduck says:
Poor Michael. In colorblind people the cones in the retina can always detect the colors, but in your case your visual cortex can't do the needed processing. That is, you fail to see colors on a higher level.
Just like the rest of your brain, really. You fail to see that "god" is nothing more than a man-made fairytale.
Posted July 10, 2008
What?!? God exists, dude.
jvboy_17 says:
I agree with you Sussanad -- I should say that this is a scenario where we can clearly perceive how 'worldy barriers' affect the 'actuality of a God'.
When we speak of 'God', we are referring to something Absolute. A sky god is only a denomator that characterize a 'Highly Being'. If we say God, it is a million times more that a sky god.
I opened up before that religion is a product of creed and belief. On the moment you are into one, you must be able to justify yourself that you are on the right one. On this case case, you must also be able to defend not only your religion, but the 'One' you are believing in.
We did not see God up in the skies and under the oceans and seas...
...Now, wherever you are, head out and breath the air then smell the sea; admire the beauty of nature...
...after so, tell me that there is no God, then count yourself as the most absurd being.
Posted October 07, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
"Being foul in language only implies foolishness, senseless aggression and unsophistication" -- I am amazed that in this current advanced age, stupid people, who ought to act like animals still exist. If we can just put them back to tribal times, there they should prosper."
"The way you respond to stimuli tells you what you are."
"Ignorance is bliss, but too much ignorance factor out laziness."
"You are the one who need to seek wisdom for wisdom cannot seek for you."
Anyhow, stupidity and aggressiveness only factor out humanity as humanity. God being external is not being affected by such elements.
I am always ready for a fight! I have been waiting for quite a while and appears like none is that competitive. The dare that I opened up months ago is still there...SHAKE MY FAITH! if you can.
Posted October 06, 2008
Hoogle says:
I forgot to mention for those of you who talk about religion, religion is of Satan...Judaism, Islam, all of it is of Satan, who loves to put out the counterfeit to challenge you and he hopes that you will choose him by choosing one of those religions, Catholicism is another one, I hope the pope is saved, but he might not be since he is in that mess...Religion is to worship God without Christ...plain and simple and they all fit into that category, no exceptions...
Posted October 04, 2008
Hoogle says:
Our Lord is both God and man ..when we read the Gospels, not only do we marvel at His divinity but even more we are moved and attracted by His human virtues. His behavior, His attitude, and the way He treated others were too wonderful; His humanity is unsurpassed. We praise Him! Such a God-man is pleased to indwell us. He passed through incarnation, human living, death, resurrection, ascension, descension, and is now the Life-giving Spirit in us. We have an organic union with Him.
When we open to Him, love Him, and desire t be joined with Him as one, we are filled and possessed by Him every day. In this way what we live out are the glory of divinity and the virtues of humanity. What a sweet life this is. So now I ask the ones on the left...what kind of life do you live out? Do you emulate the O.J.Simpsons of the world, John Kerrys, Ted Kennedys? Tell me who do you pattern yourselves after? What man who is not divine is worthy to be emulated and patterned after? And do you know the hearts of these ones? Neither do I, I can only see what they express outwardly or speak from their mouths. The Bible says your heart is revealed by what you say, so when you blaspheme God, those of us on the right know exactly where your heart is...one with Satan. You are born of him and so was I, but I have made a better choice and have been reborn. Born of the Spirit. So again, I ask you, tell me something, you who doubt God, who are you patterning yourself after?
Posted October 04, 2008
Hoogle says:
I'm back...hee hee...oh I am always saddened by these ones that say that there is no God. I've spent over 50 years loving the Lord and these ones, any of them have spent -0- time with the Lord. Ayahhhhhhh how extremely sad...and then to think that while millions of us if not billions will enjoy the eternal life while these know-it-alls on the left question every minute thing that they think they know about God. You know, guys, He is a living God...that means that you can talk to Him! Wow!!!
I will readily agree that Christianity has failed the Lord. They are divided and the Body of Christ is not divided, they are not building up anything that will contribute to bringing Him back, yet the Lord is doind something on this earth to bring Himself back, it is just that it is not in Christianity. Having said that, and I say it because the Bible reveals it, what the left guys need to do is find out and see for themselves what God's plan is. Set aside the fact that you don't think that you believe, it is just that the Lord has not had mercy on you yet. You have some thick veils over your eyes and you are blind. However, just like in Mark when the Lord took away the blind man's veils, they ask him what he saw and he said some trees walking as men. Then they ask him again and the Bible says that "he began to see all things clearly". This should be your history at some point...you began to see all things clearly. BUT, it is truly by the Lord's mercy, this is true also for these ones that need to drop Christianity and be a genuine believer seeking the Lord with overcomers (those who desire to be overcomers, only the Lord knows who these ones really are). There needs to be some going through the entire process of being regenerated (saved), then going on in their pursuit of the Lord to be transformed, conformed, and then eventually glorified. Now if you are not in that process, then you have to ask yourself, "what are you doing with your existence?" Because it is not really a life, it does not have reality, for reality is only in Jesus according to the Bible. Now maybe you are "living" according to Sports Illustrated or what? your college textbooks? ah yes...lots of knowledge there, but what you need is truth and you need the One who is truth, the Lord Jesus.
Well, enough...I'm tired and ready for bed...just had to drop by and see who is making a fool of themselves on the left. Hey guys, I'm going to pray for you...not just say it, but pray right now..."Lord Jesus, thank You that You are the living God. Thank You for Your rich supply of life, Your life in us, those who by Your mercy and sovereign arrangement, have come to know You and seek to know You more. I give you these ones, Jeana Marie, slvrbk, bfwe1atnet, and the others who have come here to mock You, but don't know You. You love the ones that we don't find ourselves loving. You have the perfect love and are love. Lord, have mercy on them and gain them through this lens. We know You can do all things, that You wait on prayer, so right now I lift these ones up to You...not to mock them, but to sincerely take a minute to remind You that they need Your mercy and they need Your life in them. I love You Lord"...
Posted October 02, 2008
Hoogle says:
be honest with everyone crazyduck, if that is possible for you...are you for real or are you just trying to stir everyone up by using foul language and being blasphemous with GOD. You have some serious problems, I'm assuming you are not married and of course, you couldn't raise any kids with such an attitude toward God or any human being that you happen to come in contact with. Let me guess, your a dimocrat? Ooops, shame on me, mixing politics with spiritual things...but I'm right, right?
Posted September 27, 2008
Hoogle says:
Wow...I'm always amazed at how vicious and hateful the left side is, I guess if I mentioned that I was a conservative Republican in addition to being a lover of the Lord Jesus you would try to outdo yourself with more puke than you already have.
God has a plan. The living God, not allah, but the One who is carrying out His heavenly ministry on earth as I write. I'll repent for using the word "puke", that is my word, not His.
So to continue, God has a plan and His plan according to His Word is to work Himself into man so that man can become like Him in life and nature. This is what the Bible reveals. The Old Testament did not provide a way for man to get God inside of him, but the New Covenant, the New Testament, although being for the Jews first, is also for the Gentiles. And we can and do have God's life and nature in us, in our human spirit.
When the Lord incarnated and became a man, He then had both the divine life and the human life, but not a third life as a result. His divine attributes came out through His human virtues. He lived the perfect human life and in Matthew 5:48, it says, "Therefore, be perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect". So this is quite revealing and the way to become perfect is by receiving the spirit which is given without measure.
So youall go ahead and spit out your venom and waste your time throwing out things that do not matter one way or the other.
Me, I will vote for McCain and pray that God chooses the one that He prefers. The number one reason that I will not vote for Nobama is because of what he told the nurse in Illinois. She told him how she had been instructed to hold a newborn baby in her arms until it died and not to do anything to help it live. Why?
Because it was a botched abortion attempt and the baby was delivered alive. So the nurse was asking Nobama to vote for the piece of legislation that would protect such a baby. He looked her straight in the eye and said he would vote against it. He said he didn't care about her experience.
Folks, this is a cold cold hearted person and we certainly do not need such a one in the office of the presidency. He could impress me in a thousand ways, but I would not vote for him because of this truth about him.
God is real, loving, faithful, and when you read Job, it is a story about a good man, but God is not looking for a good man, He is looking for Godmen. These are those of us who have received our loving Savior, God, the Spirit, the Lord Jesus Christ who embodies all of these distinctions in His wonderful self.
Whether you believe in Him now or not, it is a Biblical fact that you will believe in Him eventually. The catch is that you need to make that decision now, not later when it may be too late.
Yes, you have heard it said before and probably laughed or worst yet, threw out some more hateful comments, but it is a fact, and whether or not you believe that God is real and the Bible is His speaking does not make it so. It is so anyway, God is not depending on you to approve what He is or does, and does so well, after all He is God and is perfect!
I will check back in a few weeks...The Lord be with your spirit!
If you haven't allowed Him to be with your spirit, then you need to get regenerated and start living a life that matters.
Hoogle
Posted September 27, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
Ahem!
Jeana,
People are swayed because they lack wisdom. They lack wisdom because they do not seek. The danger of being in a public place is not being recognized -- and people just grasp what they are told, and it ends there.
If someone gave you a coffee and told you that there is no sugar there, would you believe him so?; apparently, you wouldn't know until you taste it yourself or you saw how it was made.
When you said I can't prove that there is God -- there is only one thing that came to my mind. You didn't read the postings.
I respect your OPINION, however this is a debate and please present facts.
When I tell somebody that there is God (period -- nothing more, nothing less). He or she would rather not believe me.
Thank you.
Posted September 25, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
The law of physics is not entirely absolute. Just for instance, the law of gravitational attraction, which is a key factor "theoretically speaking", on the formation of the planets has been recently disputed. Any planets that is close to a greater mass should be contricted due to a high level of gravity. Planet Mercury is close to the sun, that is why it the smallest on our Solar System...the theory works fine up to Mars only. All that are on the outer region does not comply, such that Saturn is smaller than Jupiter, Nepture and Saturn is Smaller than Saturn.
"The Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy" disctates tranformation. If your body turn to dust, what of your energy? For sure it cannot be destroyed as stipulated by the law itself.
"The Law of Thermodynamics" disputed the "Theory of Evolution". As stated...raw energy cannot generate the complex systems in living things, or the information required to build them. Undirected energy just speeds up destruction.
Theory is akin to a hypothesis. If a "Law of Science" fails then what more of the "Theories"? On this scenario, we can say that science is not absolute.
The human brain is not entirely logical. You cannot use logic to teach your kids how to love and should I do a smell test to know if my wife or my kids love me or not? Should I use 1 + 1 to know that it is not right to kill somebody? This is the reason why the brain was created with different regions.
The differences in religion does not change the very important factor, which is the existence of a God. Yes, beliefs are different, because cultures are different...but the belief in a higher being is absolute to each one.
Anybody on the Atheism side; please disprove the "Cosmological Argument" for me. If the universe started from "Hydrogen Atoms" tell me where "Hydrogen Atoms" came from. Is there a smell test for this?
I haven't been religiously deeper in my postings. For I have witness how God manifest by healing a cancer patient. Could science prove something out of this? If a doctor told you that you have 3 days, but you got healed on the 2nd day then what are the odds that there is no God.
"We must understand that not all things are measurable by tools, equipments and experiments..."
"I am not disproving Atheism. I am proving God. For there are atheist, but there there is also God."
"Did you see in your eyes how the planets were formed. Did you see the big bang with your eyes?"
"Would you say someone who is complex as you are is from something that is so destructive?"
"Tell my why something so intelligent that is a human DNA can be formed just by chance?"
"Show me one evidence of mutation. I mean real evidence. Not photoshoped images".
"Show me all the missing links in the theory of evolution. show me fossils, not a drawn picture of somebody's creative mind. Give me logic here."
Warning:
crazyduck...if you are to say something...please give proof ok.
Posted September 20, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
Apparently on this debate we have to picture 'God' as a 'general subject'. No religion, no denominations and no sects?
"You cannot use the bible to an atheist for he doesn't believe in it in the first place. -- I can throw so much texts and verses, but in the ears of an unbeliever, it is simply words of deceit.?
Creed, morality, belief, religion and God are all different. To expound on this, people have their own belief and they act to what their creed tells them to do, even it is against morality -- and they establish their religion. All this worldly aspects exhibits limitations, bound by culture; if one religion says that it is ok to cut someone heads off, then it shall be for them. However, you will not see God there ? it is simply man being too stupid.
Where is God?
Use your imagination ?the cells that made you up to the universe that surround you, I can see order, cycle, complicatedness in a good manner, extensiveness and splendor. But man tamper with the world, play with natures fabrication and inflicted evil in something that is ought to be good.
Some people kill, people die with cancer, hurricanes and tornados destroyed homes, economy flunking, women raped, babies aborted, families ruined?name them all. Do you think God made this? Does he put his mighty hand cast a spell of curse to everyone? Nope.
Get into the roots of things; God will not tell a rapist to rape or kill somebody, the rapist or the killer do it in his own will. Hurricanes need to happen so nature could balance itself, but with the global warming we have right now that it is getting stronger (I bet you know who caused global warming), cancer leads to improper diet, and so a diabetes?I don't want to expound more on this. The only key here is to look for the ?roots?.
?I Have Called God For Help ? He Did Not Respond?
On everything that we do, there are complications. We reap what we have sown. If today I've been drinking a lot and tomorrow I have liver problems, then I should accept the complications. Also, the world is unjust, and even the bible is unjust ? If I have a daughter who got killed, why can't I myself put judgment to the killer? When I said, ?death should be given to those who deserve death? don't you think that the rapist should die now? What binds me for killing the killer? My creed. For the credo of the Christian faith give chance to the killer to change his or her ways or put the judgment in God's hands. This is painful, that's why I said that the bible is unjust, but looking closely, if you have killed somebody, by accident or not then what should it be?
God cannot pass judgment here on earth. All fall to sin, no exceptions, even the pope himself. If God will judge now, then our freedom is taken out and most are dead. If I stole a candy from a candy store, it is a sin, should I be stricken by lighting already? And there is no weighing of sin. A sin is a sin, such that lying = killing.
God cannot intervene directly to you and pour all the blessings to you. If he made everyone rich and satisfied then what is the point of having heaven. That is the reason why salvation is selective or should be earned by man himself. When I said ?Love should only be given to those who deserve love?. I am simply saying that if you are no by Him then you cannot earn heaven; and apparently, there is no heaven here on earth.
And lastly, please understand again that ?prayer? is not a magical lamp, or a time for someone to ask for something. Prayer is simply talking to God (as I've said before).
I am a Christian, but I am not inviting you to join me or whatsoever ? for the reason that their creed is exceptional ? love like Jesus did; I have adapted their ways. I apologize that I tend to exert strong words that might hurt somebody, but if my God is being assaulted; I should react on such manner. Nevertheless, the choice is yours to believe or not. But look at the scenario this way?(I already said this before) If today I die and there is no God, I am ok; and if today I die and there is God, I am ok?But if today an unbeliever die and there is no God, he or she is ok, and lastly if an unbeliever die today and there is God, what would it be? ? in the simplest words, ?in believing you will not lose anything?.
Posted September 18, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
Objection Overruled!
Posted September 18, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
Sorry crazyduck -- but you're not making any sense here -- is that a debate or just plain gibberish.
If this debate is too much for you, then just stay off and go back to school.
Posted September 17, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
I have stated before that God is external, arthritis and God cannot factor out something. You may or may not have arthritis or any disease, but God would still exist.
It is not the will of God to give disease to anybody, nevertheless it is permitted and so as death... And how sure are you that is is God inflicting pain and not the devil? Or could also be man himself. And why can't He give death to those who deserve death? and pain to those who deserve pain? He is God anyway right? God = Absolute.
"Somebody who has diabetes cannot complain to God about his sickness. For he himself inflicted this to himself."
Also, the nature of a God should not be recognized with satisfaction in life, or ease in everything, or pleasure, or extreme happiness -- this can only be attained in heaven. AKA...If you feel pain in your life right now, it is normal and deal with. The world is tainted not only by evil but by man's iniquities as well.
Lastly ~ If you hate God it doesn't disprove him. Also, if a believer suffers, then an unbeliever should suffer more ~ NO MERCY! YOU WANT LOVE? THEN PROVE THAT YOU ARE WORTHY OF HIS LOVE. IF YOU HATE HIM AND DOES NOT BELIEVE IN HIM THEN WHY WOULD HE WASTE HIS TIME LOVING YOU.
Posted September 17, 2008
Hoogle says:
The Bible says that all believers are priests. So if one is just looking to the Catholic priest to be their priest, they are already guilty of not reading the truth revealed in the Bible. Catholics show a huge mixture with the world, far too many idols (one would be too many), they have distorted the word "saint" and concocted some ridiculous and embarrassing system of identifying certain ones a "saint", a selected few. Well, read your Bible, Catholics, all believers are saints...see what Paul says in his epistles and how he addresses the believers as saints.
Anyway, I don't want to waste my time talking about Catholics...here is the deal...
The Bible reveals that God wants to work Himself into man. What did He have to do to accomplish this? He sent His Son to be the perfect sacrifice. Okay, so you have heard that, or at least we hope you have heard that. But there is much, much more. He lived the perfect human life and also was God, the entire God walking on earth as a man yet God, the complete God.
Wow, just think about that. If you had lived in that time, would you have believed that you were talking to God, your Creator, when you had a conversation with the Lord Jesus? Then He died to be the perfect sacrifice and His efficacious blood cleanses us from all sin. If you have not had your sins dealt with, then you are dead in the eyes of God already, even though you are "alive" in your human living. You need to receive the Son as life as it says in 1John..."he who has the Son has the life"...which is the divine life. John 10:10b, "I came to give life and give it abundantly"...this is zoe, the divine life that He came to give.
So He is carrying out His plan and it is nearing it's conclusion and He will come back. He doesn't need you to confirm that you believe that in order for Him to come back. Don't you think He can handle it whether you believe it or not?
Of course He can and He will. You need to be on the right side of the tracks (tracts) when He comes...you need to deal with your beliefs now and stop being so foolish. Proverbs tells us that a fool thinks he is wise in his own mind...however, God created us with a spirit to touch Him and the mind is not the right organ to carry out our beliefs.
Anyway, if you have read this far, then I hope if you haven't prayed to receive the Lord, that you will take care of this most important decision. Got questions? I mean, real questions that keep you from reading and understanding the Bible? Why not take a minute and post the questions. If you are just going to try to be a wise jerk, then don't waste your time, you are only insulting the Lord with your foolishness...
He has the perfect love and wants to not only shed His love on you, but also He wants to come live inside of you, eventually to be the indwelling Christ in your being. To pass on this opportunity is certainly the heighth of stupidity and hardheartedness.
Well, it's time to check the box below and go have some enjoyment in the Lord! And of course the right box to check is:
"What? God exists!!! and lives forevermore! We love You Lord Jesus!
Posted September 03, 2008
dc64 says:
Of all the great men and women of science, history, art, music and philosophy, a large majority have a belief in God. Besides, I FEEL it, I believe it, and that's what matters to me.
Posted September 01, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
crazyduck...
Atheism bound themselves to be plant foods, but those who believe in God think bigger than the picture. I have stated before that even science itself, through the "theory of conservation of mass", defines death as a transformation. If death ends your pity existence, so it will be. But my doctrines are extensive, and I'll rather put my faith in it.
Your contextual view of things limits your understanding - let me pick just one definition of religion: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith...atheism holds the same factor, you have your cause, your principle, and you have your faith. However you exhibit all these into worldly explanations. Why would I put my faith to jesusneverexisted.com or godispretend.com? They only present opinion on things, apparently with shallow grounds and representations of apparent truths.
I have given you a chance before to refute God based on other factors besides the bible, but you failed to counter attack. If I have taken God as General - let it be any religion, Islam, Christian, Catholic, Hinduism...then your scope would be too small. And if I say that God is not all good as we think -- then if He intend to slaugher everyone, they He may. The bible is direct -- those who are against need to perish, and mercy would only be given to those who are worthy...on this scenario, He may not be as generous as most see. He is simply a God taking authorithy that is all His.
Understanding the Bible requires faith. If you see the word "kill" in the Bible it doesn't just imply that you have to kill yourself or someone...it is because you just don't understand; apparently your "reasoning" is insufficient. Swallow and digest the book, not just chew it and start spitting out false opinions -- I am sorry but it is like a kindergarten student saying that 1 + 1 is equals 3.
And let this sink to you...EVEN HOW DIRTY RELIGION IS, IT DOESN'T DISPROVE GOD. I accept your postings as a challenge for us to change anything that is against our doctrines. It is indeed a shame that believers fail to exercise their belief correctly. And I myself respect Ghandi's opinion with Christianity, of how he like Christ but not the Christians. Our doctrines are better than good -- nevertheless, my point here is that if people don't follow this, God must not be blamed.
And I am not forbidding you to try refuting God. But as most atheist do. They are not targeting the "Object" of discussion, but they stray away and start attacking the church.
Lastly...I am not a preacher...I am an Information Technology graduate. But I do attend church regularly. And I love reading books...just a background about me. :P
May the peace of the Lord be with us always...Good Evening...
Posted August 14, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
...and actually atheist(s) help in preaching the gospel...when they die they gonna be one with the soil aka 'fertilizers', then a tree will grow -- thanks to the nutrients; and then we can turn them to Bibles...
Posted August 13, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
godpretend.net is same old thing. Attacking men but not God...and doing so, possibilities are endless, but still not a sufficient factor to say there is no God. And I am amazed that atheism is becoming more and more of a religion than just a status...really disturbing...
Posted August 13, 2008
jvboy_17 says:
Amen Hoogle!
I am new to the Christian faith and like you I feel blessed in defending Him. Being in college is indeed dangerous, people get swayed because they hear, but they don't seek. This is a very dangerous act - "If a man of intellect told you to jump on a building and kill yourself, would you do so?" Intellect is significant to all men, but there is another factor..."wisdom", for men could me smart but not wise.
"A child at age of 3 could be wiser than any grown up man. For a childlike heart dictates true knowledge and understanding."
God blessed me to be in college, and I will use what I have learned for Him. At the age of 23, I know it is still a long way to go.
I believe the case on this debate is closed. And we have won. I know I am doing my part. With hope that I have saved somebody.
Posted August 11, 2008
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