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Posted September 03, 2009

Zephys says:

So what is it that Christians understand that Atheists do not? What's different between the Christian that reads and belives the bible and the Atheist that reads it and does not?

Posted July 23, 2009

Chase says:

When a christian prays the are promised an answer. An answer of 'Yes', 'No', or 'Maybe'. If that's the case, I could pray to anything I want. Say I pray to a carton of milk. I ask the milk for $1000. If a check shows up in the mail a few days later with a thousand dollars for some odd reason, then I'll scream hallelujah my prayers have been answered!! Milk Carton is the creator of the universe!! If something shows up in the mail saying I could win $1000 if I just do some tests or something, then I might go, depending on if it's worth the money, in which my milk carton answered maybe. And if nothing happens, then my precious milk carton answered no :(.

Do you see?

Posted July 13, 2009

Matt says:

Personally, I don't think god exists, but in my eyes everyone's view should be accounted for unless it's been scientifically proven false.

Posted June 06, 2009

irregularworld says:

So, what you're saying Hoogle is that human misery is actually perfection, we're just too stupid to see it? That's a pretty contorted justification. If God is all powerful, why couldn't he give free will without dooming us to nasty infectious diseases, rot, poverty, natural disasters. Sorry, but your God disappears from the scene rather too easily to be believed in.

Posted May 12, 2009

papawu says:

Well, I don't know if I would go as far as to say there is no God. Let me put it to you this way. I don't believe in God but I fear him.

Posted April 06, 2009

mrwriter says:

If there's a god then why did he make me atheist?

Posted April 06, 2009

Grim says:

Christians are retarded...of course there is no god.
http://www.squidoo.com/christiansareretarded

Posted March 30, 2009

jay says:

there is no god, and if there is one i hate him for letting this world suffer. i hope he burns in hell forever because he is the real evil one

Posted March 27, 2009

something-original says:

So i see where my side of this is coming from, but i also see where jv is coming from. first of all i have to agree with irregularworld from way back when, i think if God is real, he doesn't need you to speak for him, i can assure you that we'll get ours when the end comes. as for my own side, why is it such an issue to try to convince people like jv that there isn't a god? it's not like it's going to do any good, and even if it did why do we want to tear the rug out from under him? people don't say they believe in god just to spite us, i'm pretty sure that in most cases they really do, and to them it's a comforting thing, believing that you're going to a better place when you die. it seems like the only reason we'd want to press our beliefs on them would be because we want to make ourselves feel better about the decision that we made. If that's the case though, are we any better than they are? we might as well be wearing bicycle helmets and nametags going door to door. so i guess the question i'm posing is, if we're sure we're right and there's no changing our minds, and they're sure they're right and there's no way we can change them either, why are we fighting about this? can't we all just let everyone else die in peace?

Posted March 12, 2009

Someone420 says:

Okay so i just dont get it...if God is so amazing then why is thar so much bad in the world if he is the center of all things then why did your God let 6 kids die in the 80s?? o u dont remember a man kidnapped 6 kids all at diffrent times some boys some girls, he took them to his basment and made the young kids suck on him while he beat them over the head with a hammer till thay were dead...hummm god is the center of all things right...what about the hammer?? why did God let that happen...

Posted March 10, 2009

Santa (= just as real as God) says:

God was made up by mankind, just like a whole bunch of other stories. Making up stories is okay in my book. It's just a shame that some people can't tell fiction from reality and are even willing to kill for some theory that has been created many many years ago.

Posted February 27, 2009

Steve says:

There is no God, no Jesus, no heaven, no hell etc. It is all based on myths,evolution,science, biology, astronomy,and the list goes on to prove that there is and never was any god or gods. Mankind made up a God or Gods, so that he felt that he wasn't alone in this great big scary universe, and he needed God as a rock to stand on!

Posted February 15, 2009

AlishaV says:

I think it's silly that people actually believe in mythical beings and fairy tales in this day and age.

The old excuse that the world is too complex to be able to happen on it's own, actually proves there's no such thing as a god. If "God" created the world and everything in it, then he's got to be really complex himself. Then by your own reasoning (because religious people are so reasonable and logical ;-) God couldn't have happened and therefore he couldn't have created the world.

Posted February 01, 2009

ZeNeece says:

nope, there are no gods.

Fair cop there 'guv! Okay JvBoy_17, to the point then - god doesn't exist. And here is the evidence to prove that god doesn't exist:

1. People over the ages have invented some really far-out fairy tales stories. The truth and validity of these stories are therefore highly suspect

2. Take away people and how would the "story" of god get out there? If there are no people to "know about god existing" and to "receive the story" then what is the point of god existing? Nobody would know!

3. The whole "story of god" is completely oriented around people. There is not a single mention of anything that is directly unrelated to people. Would this imply that plants will have a "plant bible" and a "plant saviour" of their own that we people can't perceive, and that the animals have their own "animal bible" and "animal saviour" too? Do animals and plants go to heaven? And what about the insects?

Ergo: Without people god doesn't exist, but people can exist without god because we are quite plainly here!

Beer-goggles for all I say!

P.S. JvBoy_17, you should be very careful when "stating" scientific facts. You have never quoted a single reference to support any of your arguments, which simply means that everything you have ever said is of your own personal opinion - and interestingly enough you tend to present your opinions in the form of theories! Do you have any references to support these "theories" of yours?

Posted October 15, 2008

thedrinksareonme says:

A fictitious character invented by the human mind that created the world and everything in it? That's plausible, I don't think.

The historical facts don't support the "Old Testament" bible, which immediately nullifies both the "New Testament" and the "Qu-ran". If the source work is false then how can the derivative works be true?

People of the ilk of Hoogle and JvBoy17 are aware of the gaping inconsistences and errors of fact, but they so desperately want it to be true, and their desire for belief is so strong, that no amount of argument will persuade them otherwise.

Bottoms Up!

Posted October 13, 2008

susannaduffy says:

I have a problem with the concept of the Sky-God

Posted October 07, 2008

bg says:

ur a fuking wierdos u need help ur goin to go to hell god is EVERYTHING just wait till jugment day!

Posted October 06, 2008

Jeana-marie says:

you cant prove that there is one

You'd better ease up on the booze there, jvboy_17...

To answer your question: "I Can't Find Any Text On The Bible That Stipulated Anything As The World Being Flat. Could Somebody On The Left Side Clear This For Us Please."

Well, would the Earth having "ends" indicate that the morons that wrote the bible might think it is flat? Try reading: Deuteronomy 33:17, I Kings 2:10, Job 28:24 and 37:3. I got bored with searching for more references to the "ends of the earth". The rest of the bible is the same nonsense garbage as that coming forth from you, jvboy_17.

AND LET ME STIPULATE AGAIN THAT GOD DOES NOT NEED YOUR BRAIN JVBOY_17 FOR HIM TO EXIST.

(That's very funny.) Have a nice day, ya hear!

Posted August 04, 2008

Camble says:

Concept of God is a psychotherapy for spiritual upliftment. Religion was just a code of conduct and had a marriage of convenience with the concept of God. See a full 'scientific' explanantion of what is the concept of God, how it evolved, how did religions originate and had this marriage of convenience with the therapy of God at http://pukamble.tripod.com/gandrframe.htm

Posted August 02, 2008

jvboy_17 says:

Apparently One Of Our Dear Atheist Friend Doesn't Know How To Have A Debate.
1/ "You Must Only Attack The Topic And Not The 2nd Person".
2/ "You Must Always Provide Proof And Evidences In Any Statement That You Declare".
Please Have Sense On Your Postings.

...I Apologize Myself Since I Am Also Out Of Topic Now.

I DARE YOU TO SHAKE MY FAITH!!!

"Men Created The Space Shuttle. They Reached The Heavens, But Didn't Find God?.
?Men Built Submarines And Went In Depths Of The Seas. God Is Not There?.
?Men Invented Telescopes And Saw The Distant Stars. Still No God To See.?.

?But Men Saw The MAJESTY, GREATNESS, COMPLEXITY and MASSIVENESS of the UNIVERSE? and they were AMAZED...MESMERIZED...

?And Then They Built Machines, Created Tools, Formulated Theories To Explain Things?. They Were Successful On Some, But Failed On The Most?.

?They Don't Have Answers, Because They Don't Have The Proper Machines, The Correct Tools And The Right Theories?.

Francis Collins, An Atheist Who Is Now A Believer States:
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?In my view,? explains Collins, ?there is no conflict in being a rigorous scientist and a person who believes in a God who takes a personal interest in each one of us. Science's domain is to explore nature. God's domain is in the spiritual world, a realm not possible to explore with the tools and language of science. It must be examined with the heart, the mind, and the soul -- and the mind must find a way to embrace both realms.
?I will argue that these perspectives not only can coexist within one person, but can do so in a fashion that enriches and enlightens the human experience. Science is the only reliable way to understand the natural world, and its tools when properly utilized can generate profound insights into material existence. But science is powerless to answer questions such as ?Why did the universe come into being?' ?What is the meaning of human existence?' ?What happens after we die?' One of the strongest motivations of humankind is to seek answers to profound questions, and we need to bring all the power of both the scientific and spiritual perspectives to bear on understanding what is both seen and unseen. The goal of this book is to explore a pathway toward a sober and intellectually honest integration of these views.?
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In Addition To This. The Big Bang Theory Cannot Factor Out Our Current Universe, Which Is Characterized By Complexity, Harmony and Order. The Big Bang is so Devastating And So Chaotic...If The Big Bang Is True, I Bet Your Nose Is In Your Forehead.

The ?Cosmological Argument? was been a great resource to prove God's excistence.

The Argument Dictates:
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1.Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2.Nothing finite and contingent can cause itself.
3.A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4.Therefore, a First Cause (or something that is not an effect) must exist.
Who Is This Cause? GOD!
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A scientist recently disputed Einstein's theory of gravity.
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?Gravity only appears to be an attractive force,? said gravity researcher Frank Thompson. ?In reality, it's a force that repels in the opposite direction. (Isaac) Newton and (Albert) Einstein are going to look pretty stupid after my paper is published.?

?Since gravity repels it only stands to reason that the Universe is expanding,? he said while writing equations on a chalkboard in his office. ?But this is confusing to Einstein's General Relativity zealots, because they still believe that gravity is an attractive force based on everyday observation. But a negative repulsive force can easily be mistaken for gravitational attraction. If you step out of an airplane in flight, for example, you may wonder why your body will splatter on the ground over a large area if gravity is not a force of attraction. The Earth's gravity is indeed trying to repel you, but it's just repelling you in the opposite direction from what you would expect. It's trying to push you through the Earth and out the other side into space.?

?Dark matter and dark energy are every bit as real as the tooth fairy,? Thompson explained. ?You only need them if you don't accept that gravity is a negative repulsive force. Stars stay organized in galaxies and clusters of galaxies not with the help of dark matter, but by repelling each other in a binding fashion. And who needs dark energy to explain the expansion of the Universe when gravitational repulsion is clearly responsible??

?My theory of repulsive gravity also explains the behavior of Einstein's hair,? he said.
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On this scenario should we still recognize ?Annus Mirabilis??
And what is this black matter? What made this? -- Or should the question be ?Who made it??

A recent Discovery Channel Documentary ?Rameses: Wrath Of God Or Man? imposes a very interesting hypothesis of what may have caused the 10 plagues. They have associated a volcanic activity may have triggered the said event. The frogs, hail, darkness..etc..all originated on this specific natural cause, which if you look closely to the odds, why would this occur on the same moment Moses is about to led the Israelites out of Egypt; somebody might have intervened.

I dare you to venture out and try reading some religious books. I have read science books, studies different religions, even atheism. ?A Christian would not understand Islam unless he tries to become a Muslim?. So as an unbeliever and a believer. After you learn, be creative with your thoughts ? science and religion often tend to coexist....

The bible story may not necessarily imply the creation story as it was written. But it rather recognized a Creator that must exist.

The evolution theory could be true ? but Someone may have intervened, for us to attain perfect evolution.

...Benjamin Franklin is dead, he discovered electricity, he did not create it. He is dead now.
...Phillip K. Dick is a good writer. But he is also mentally retard. He is also dead now.
...Dan Baker tackled religion, not God...religion can be foul, but God cannot be foul. How long would he live?
...Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche is a good philosopher, but he has serious mental illness. He is also dead now.

GOD would still tend to exist without Benjamin Franklin, Phillip K. Dick, Dan Baker, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche...AND NAME OTHER PEOPLE...People die, God doesn't...And why would I follow the teachings of mentally disturbed people (I can exempt Dan Baker on this)? GOD doesn't need your brain for Him to exist.

?Human discovers...but God created?.

The greatest question of everyone...If there is God...Why people suffer? Why are there disasters? How come some people are born ugly and with disorders?
People suffer because of ?free will? - if God would intervene all the time, it would be a very scary event when the skies strike those who committed sin. And we probably all be dead now.
People suffer because they want to, because people are bad.
People suffer because they don't want to help themselves. God will lift your spirit, God will use other people to assist you...But God is not a genie. Prayer is not asking for help, prayer is not a magical lamp, it is not entirely a problem solver. It is simply talking to God. Most atheist see prayer on a different manner.
There are disasters because nature has to balance itself. If there are no volcanic eruptions, Earth will explode.
There are disasters because men caused them.
People who are born with disorders are not really ugly. True beauty lies within.

Good day everyone. I need to talk to my God before I sleep. May blessings be upon you...

Posted August 02, 2008

jvboy_17 says:

If I die today I'll be a fertilizer like poopies(sweet!). Science declares - the law of conservation of mass - "matter/energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can be transformed". Everyone here on the left would be happy plant foods! yey!... It's not fair though, co'z I think that those those who are on the right are transformed into greater forms.

Posted August 01, 2008

crazyduck says:

animerobot,

You seem to be a nice kid, unfortunately your Mommy and Daddy are wrong and so are all the things they've been telling you (and that includes all the things the other "grown ups" in your church have been telling you). Have you ever cried yourself to sleep sometimes at night what with all this sin that you have in you? Poor child, you need to tell your parents to stop screwing with your head.

---

P.S. On the last post I wrote, it's a pity we can't edit our posts. I want to be on the "right" side because us atheists are right, not left. Subconciously I want to be on the right side of things. Trouble is those dang religious nuts get to be on the right side...

Posted July 31, 2008

crazyduck says:

Don't apologize FoodLuva. We here on the right agree with you and encourage you to continue the 'fight' against superstituous ignorance.

However, those on the left need some 'shaking up' to get them to seriously do things like a bit of Googling, and - and this is the important bit - to simply think about what they are reading without taking it as a personal insult all the time. Scientists aren't being insulting if the actual evidence points to a zero statistical likelyhood for the existence of God. (And I'm not talking just about the physical sciences here - Historians also fail to find evidence of the things written about in the "Holy Bible".)

*Everybody* should have a good in-depth read of Richard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion". The book doesn't try to insult anybody the way so called "compassionate Christians" insult those who disagree with *them*. It's a book full of facts backed-up by evidence and some basically obvious statements about people in general, without needing any recourse to religion to explain any of it.

And after reading jvboy_17's rant again, I see that he has failed completely in even trying to understand the things he is refuting. I'll guarantee he has just repeated what he was told at "bible study" class, which is really just propaganda (which is what Hitler used to raise the people of Germany into WW2). Thank the lord for bums like jvboy_17...

Posted July 31, 2008

MisssThis says:

No! He does not!! I'm sorry, but I FINALLY get to say what I want about this. People say that everything came from him, where did he come from? They say he was always there... what? No, but why do we want to find out so bad? We will lose all of our knowledge when we die anyway. Did "god" kill the dinosaurs? why would he? We all came from gorillas. It's not as crazy as it sounds, google it!! I reallize about 80 percent of us believe, but thats because our parents force it. We need to stand up for what WE, not everyone else believes in. Nonbelievers can be just as good people. I do not wish to insult anyone, just to make a point.

~RK~

Posted July 30, 2008

crazyduck says:

Torian Kel you're on the wrong side freako boy. all religion is a disease and it must be stamped out. there's no "end it all here" about it. religion is a madness of the mind, and it's not cool even if a billion people share the same delusion. just more stupid you for being sucked in by what somebody else tells you to do

there's no point arguing with the insane religious... they do have a mental problem after all. maybe medication is what they need to fix their brains?

Posted July 28, 2008

Torian Kel says:

Look around you, what do you see? can all of these came from nothing? a question both a believer and a unbeliever cannot even if they think they are the most "intelligent" people in the world . Yes, wars have been fought in name of zealousness,thousands so called heretics died during the inquisition, and even more during the crusades, and the list go on. And we blame this all to God. Because it is human nature to blame others for their failures and that is a fact. It is easier for us to blame others rather than be responsible enough to face our faults. Another thing, I think it doesn't really matter if your a atheist or a theist as long as we all work for the betterment of mankind. Let us not waste time arguing about something that we know deep inside is true, atheist or not.Let us all end it all here.

Posted July 27, 2008

crazyduck says:

Poor Michael. In colorblind people the cones in the retina can always detect the colors, but in your case your visual cortex can't do the needed processing. That is, you fail to see colors on a higher level.

Just like the rest of your brain, really. You fail to see that "god" is nothing more than a man-made fairytale.

Posted July 10, 2008

Ralf says:

evidence = 0
likelihood = 0
god = 0

Posted July 10, 2008

Eve says:

If God can see into the Future then he must have known that if He were to create an Angel called Lucifer now known as Satan the devil, that this "Angel" would turn against him and get everyone on Earth to start disbelieving in God and turn againist him to.. then why did he create him in the first place?. Unless God did it because he loves making all beings - even the imperfect evil ones, which would mean God is evil himself. Either that or God made a mistake in making such an imperfect being. God imperfect? In that case we don't need him!. I think God is just our imagination, we created HIm to help explain things -how things came to exist and to feel good and to control people. i don't know who or what created the universe but i'm not gonna go around saying that it was God or Allah or Aliens that did it/created it. If we believe in what a book says about who created the universe..then we might as well believe in what's written in other books might be real to..hmm maybe it was superman that created the universe...LOL.

Posted July 07, 2008

Hamdi says:

There is no God. Plain and simple. Why would there be bad things in the world? How can he create Lucifer and still be pure and just? Poverty,sickness,war. He can stop it can't he? If so, why isn't he? There is no need for pain and suffering in this world. It makes nothing brings nothing and helps nothing.

Posted June 23, 2008

Ronin says:

Some of my favorite quotes.

"I am an atheist because there is no evidence for the existence of God. That should be all that needs to be said about it: no evidence, no belief." -- Dan Barker

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -- Phillip K. Dick

People solve problems, Prayers don't.

Explaining the unknown by means of the unobservable
is always a perilous business.

Theists think all gods but theirs are false.
Atheists simply don't make an exception for the last one.

On the sixth day God created man
On the seventh day, man returned the favor.

Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer

Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God:
this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues.

If the Bible proves that God exists then comic books prove the existence of Superman.

You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help? -- Dan Barker

"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." -- Nietzsche

Well that should start the ball rolling. :-)

Posted June 18, 2008

Mark Henry says:

GoD = Nothing but Human,

i am a God, people who are reading this message is also a god, god can be created out of anyone. There's more than 1000 religions in this world and each and every god is completely different and even the rituals that are performed for these gods are different, if there's a real god, then why is this huge difference in between all these religions, there's now way anyone can prove that all these religions are true and their gods are also true, if someone can prove this, then he's my god.

Posted June 18, 2008

Nanda says:

if god exists,
why would people die young...?
why would people do all crime against humanity, Take George Bush for example, and still be alive and happy....?
God Is a Fraud....!

Posted June 11, 2008

crazyduck says:

Remixer96

Its not about mass delusion. Its about 100,000 years ago and a stupendously brain broken overawed tiny human man standing on a plain in Africa in a brave new world that his tiny little brain has just evolved smart enough to notice.

This little man stands above everything else on the planet because he knows he is the first and only one who thinks big thoughts like this. His trained dog standing beside him drools and wont discuss philosophy with him so what other creature in this brave new world can or will?

None can. So our man in his awe still cant believe how lucky he is to be the only smartest thing in his known world and immediately concludes in God. That makes perfect sense to his overwhelmed psyche and it still makes big sense to billions of people today - but that doesnt make God true.

And as man learns about the world he lives in he sees more and more nature and less and less supernature (supernatural). All the people in this modern world who go to modern church laugh at the foolish antique people 500 years ago who believed the earth was flat but you know the church leaders killed those who didnt believe it because God said the world is flat in the bible and the bible is truth from God and so it cannot be wrong. But everyday millions of people fly in airplanes around a spherical - not flat - world. Is the words of God wrong?

It is all the small inconsistent things like this that shows God is nothing more than a little mans overawed brain trying to make sense of the world.

Posted June 02, 2008

JudasX says:

Remixer.

Your point is intelligible and well presented, but alas off the mark.

You are basing your proof of higher powers on sedimentary values. Eastern and Western religious philosophies are completely different and both have changed in the interpretation of God as science itself evolves into a dominant philosophy itself.

The catholic church has declined in global membership. Does this mean that there is less evidence for God?

The amount of Pastafarian supporters has increased. Does that offer emperical evidence that proves the existence of a noodely savior?

No sir. Religion is just a programmed delusion that will see an increasing decline in future generations because of a lack of empirical evidence.

Posted May 31, 2008

Remixer96 says:

Not sure of my personal opinion on this, but I had this thought:

If a supernatural being exists, there will likely be groups of people who gather to explore and understand it. Many people will then alter their lives in manners they perceive to please it, given it's apparent dominance over them in terms of power. They'd then likely attempt to spread their views, regulate their experiences with this higher power, and so on.

In other words, the cues I would look for in determining the existence of a higher power exist already. Though correlation is not causation, if a globe full of people act and are affected as if a higher power exists, wouldn't that be the Occam's favored explanation over the similar, simultaneous delusions of billions of people?

Also, I think in this case, disproving specific interpretations of higher powers is credible, but not to the degree that one can extrapolate to conclude that no higher power exists. Also many world religions can easily fit this bill, but some (especially Eastern) religions obviously have to be stretched to fit the terminology above. However, the guts of the question remains. If no higher power exists, isn't it extraordinarily uncanny that religious practice is so common?

Posted May 31, 2008

irregularworld says:

I feel the need to note that the "God exists" column is filled with threats of torture and darkness. Those expressions seem to refer more to the wishes of the believers than to any actual evidence for the existence of this "God" character. It's a rather nasty tone for people to take, and a troubling indicator of the role of religion in their lives.

Posted May 21, 2008

YOUareTIGERBAIT says:

I agree, if a god does exist, may he strike me dead.

Still here! Nope, no god!

for humorous reading, check out "stuff god hates"

Posted May 20, 2008

JudasX says:

PS Hoogle -

Keep checking back and let God judge the atheists. If he exists, I'm sure he'll reward your attempts at shedding light in the "darkening gloom." Just relax and maintain an open dialogue about faith. That's what truly spiritual people should do.

Posted May 20, 2008

JudasX says:

Hoogle -

"To see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin

I'm sure Ben Franklin would find your misquotation distasteful. Is there anything from Albert Einstein you would like to borrow and add a little Christ too?

While I disagree with every word you say, I must admit that your passion for God and strength under fire is impressive.

...but of course, General Custer was confident too.

One question though...

If God is the governor of this universe and the source of everything within it, than how is it possible for Satan to corrupt and influence us? Isn't the source of this corruption God himself? What is the difference between your God and your Satan? They sound like one and the same to me sir.

Posted May 20, 2008

crazyduck says:

I don't see God solving the crises either Hoogle. If Man created his problems, then either man will fix them or Man will perish.

Once upon a time lightning in the skies was a sign of anger from God. Now it's electricity and this is what powers the very computer you are using to type your words on. Electricity is considered one of the 4 "elements" - electromagnetism, the weak force, the strong force and gravity. As Man figures things out in the natural world around him, God's presence becomes less and less. Sure, you say God created these things and Man is only discovering them but people were killed, while others did the killing, in their arguments of proof that only God had the power to make lightning. Now we do this "miracle" in physics labs everyday around the world.

Your God is truly the God of gaps, and when Man has learnt enough he will still not know all there is to know, but by then your God will be merely a memory.

By the way Hoogle. Are you a Jew? Why is it that you love that Jew named Jesus. I bet you look nothing like a Semitic person (a "dirty Arab" to everybody else) and yet you blow a load in your pants everytime you mention your homo-erotic lover, Jesus.

What fools you are. How can that Semitic God love YOU, that unclean filthy white Eurasian trash. You are nothing like God's true choosen people. Oh Hoogle, you ARE going to hell, like it or not.

Posted May 15, 2008

crazyduck says:

Hey corruptedworldsaveyr, the quote was:

"YOU ARE ALONE. YOU ARE ALONE IN ALL THIS UNIVERSE. THERE IS NOBODY RIDING WITH YOU - THERE'S ONLY JUST YOU."

Why don't you go nick off, you illiterate idiot. Go and kill yourself and then come back here and tell us if there really is a God.

You are a waste of carbon.

Posted May 07, 2008

LeslieBrenner says:

If God is all-knowing, all-kind and all-powerful, what went wrong?

Posted April 25, 2008

irregularworld says:

Do you ever think to yourself, "What if the Bible is just another work of fiction?"

Posted April 25, 2008

irregularworld says:

We're in for a RUDE awakening? So, you're saying God exists, and he's rude? You know what I think, "American"? I think that you wish that there was a God, and that he could be rude to the people you don't like. By the way, you're not the only American here. I'm American too, just as much as you are.

Posted April 25, 2008

Mobiiart says:

Long ago, man created "God" to explain things that he couldn't understand. Then "God" became a tool, used to hold power over others by scaring the hell out of them with promises of eternal damnation if they didn't do what they were told. I make my own destiny, and accept the consequences of my actions. I don't blame my woes on some mythical deity to avoid responsibility.
*The security word I must type now is "Monk pants". Coincidence?

Posted April 23, 2008

Pinoy Atheist says:

Feel him...I can feel that there's a 3 headed, green creature at your back now @ janeck. Does that mean this 3-headed green creature soes exist and can be found in your back? I think this argument ("to feel is to believe it exist") is very lame.

Scientists are being paid not to convince you @ janeck. That will be amounting to a waste of university funds. Oh and how about you @ janeck...have you also proved that your god created the universe? Have you proved that those other gods have nothing to do with all of these stuffs? I bet you also haven't given any evidence on that issue. That's why believing in a god requires faith. It is about believing what "is isn't so". Got the picture?

Posted April 19, 2008

TalkingBull says:

The problem with creationists and theists in general is that they are incredibly ignorant when it comes to science. Scientists have been able to theorize the origin of life with positive results. The science is fairly new (Within the past 35 or so years) but it has been shown that nucleotides can form from inorganic elements. Most theists will tell you that scientists believe that life just popped into existence. This is of course, untrue. That is only one example of ignorance. Others include the belief that Charles Darwin theorized on the origin of life. To the best of my knowledge, he did not. He spent 20 years working on the Theory of Natural Selection. But I digress, it is always going to be impossible to prove a negative. That being the case, we (Atheists) can not prove scientifically that there is no god. Also, it is impossible for theists to prove scientifically that there is a god. The argument is moot. What we can do (rational people) is to show scientifically how life came into existence and how it evolved. We can show how the stars and planets formed. We can quite easily prove that a human can not survive in the belly of a whale (Any theists want to volunteer for that???). I live happily knowing that I am not irrational and compelled to believe whatever I was spoon-fed since birth. I think what we need to do is not battle these people who don't know anything, we need to battle ignorance. Keep up on your local school boards to ensure they are teaching science. Make sure that Intelligent Design isn't brought into your child's classroom. Keep an eye on the politicians and stay vigilant! Science is the tool we can use to educate people.

Posted April 16, 2008

JudasX says:

Dear ChurchDuck,
Save your pitty sir. Leave judgment in the hand of your God. We all know it's the only thing he is good at anyway. We blink because of the oculomotor and trochlear cranial nerves that control movements of the eyes. Blinking itself is a motor reflex buried in the brain. Humans breathe, again because it is an innate reflex, for the specific purpose of living. We need oxygen in our blood to function at a cellular level.
In all honesty, I doubt you have found God. Considering God is supposed to be an all-powerful creator of the cosmos and dictator of the world, I doubt he took 5 minutes off to talk with a nut who has personal insecurities that cannot be satisfied within the empirical realm.
I look forward to hearing from you again sir...except next time bring some actual evidence with you. Your sentimental respiration claim just doesn't cut it for me.

Dear SilvertM,
Of course you can't prove God scientifically. Don't worry about it though...I would expect a renaissance man such as yourself to have the ability to transcend the universe and science (which is the ultimate source of empirical knowledge) in order to answer this question. Helpful Hint: before you use scripture to prove God, check out the Wikipedia article on circular reasoning. It may be useful...

Dear Anon,
Read The God Delusion. If your not up to handling chapter books yet, then feel free to open your eyes any time. God is not visible in the eyes of a starving child or a victim of murder, rape or theft. Search Google for pictures of refugees in Somalia and maybe you will see the real capabilities of your all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful God.

Dear TotalMuscle,
You could have summarized your bloated passage with two words: Intelligent Design. Sorry Copernicus, but your not breaking new ground here on Squidoo. There have been many confused faithful who support this theory...and I'm sure your not the last.
1. Disorder is not the natural state of the universe. I don't need to say much further because the universe is composed of brilliant systems (like photosynthesis and the human circulatory system) as well as natural dichotomies such as day and night, hot and cold, life and death. I would venture to say your need for religious security is the only disorder in this argument.
2. "How can something exist before it creates itself??" ...he asked with a gleam in his eye. I don't know. I would say that is impossible, but why don't you ask your God? Apparently he has done the very thing you are rallying the troops against.
3. I'm not going to read a bias book from a journalist. I can predict the experience. His writing is probably filled with emotional arguments and religious bias claiming that science has obviously overlooked the documented miracles God has produced. I have better material to read.
4. If God is an uncaused cause...that is if he is the creator of the universe without having been created himself, then why can we not say the same for the universe. Our universe is trillions upon trillions of light years and is expanding. We, as humans, cannot transcend our universe to know about what may have caused it. It is just as fair to say the universe has always existed...similar to the magnificent properties you ascribe to God.

I'm still waiting for the pro-God debaters to rock my world and present me with some actual evidence. If I have to hear one more sappy story about God touching them with his heart and spirit, I may just throw up all over the keyboard and believe that there is no such thing as intelligent life on earth.

-JudasX

"To see by faith is to shut the eye of reason"

there is no god

Posted March 16, 2008

JudasX says:

This is actually a very simple argument, and any observers will note athiests are usually the more lucid and intelligent hemisphere of the debate.

1. If God created the universe, than the universe must be an artifact (i.e. something that was created) There is no scientific or naturalistic evidence for claim (besides faith which should really count for nothing).

2. To say that God created the universe would be to say that He is the only known uncaused cause. By that, I mean that religious faithful always claim that God has no cause, so why can an atheist not suggest that the original cosmic soup resulting in the big bang was an uncaused cause as well. Apparently God defies the scientific causal principle, and is the only known thing to have done so.

3. God is all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful and yet he permits the suffering of innocence. God knowingly, willingly, and purposely allows the suffering of innocent children on a daily and global basis. This includes, and is not limited to, Darfur, South African apartheid, the Holocaust, poverty, AIDS, the Invisible Children, and so many more. He loves these children, yet witnesses their destruction even though he is powerful enough to intervene.

4. There is no way for humans to transcend language to ascertain the omnipotence of a theistic God. All terms and explanations for God are derived from the human language and is taken as Gospel. How is it possible to transcend this human artifact (i.e. language) to ascertain that there is really a God? We cannot, it is not possible.

5. Religion is the opiate of the masses. Ignorant and close-minded fools are pacified by the "need for salvation" because men are "inherently evil". I choose to disregard these foolhardy comments and embrace the beauty of being human. Humans are naturally weak and suck at the tit of those powerful tyrants who have always oppressed them, from biblical times to the present scenario. Religion is nothing but a controlling technique that limits true empirical evidence by manipulative and harmful means. This is why religiosity yields war, and those who are stupid enough to follow are slaughtered by the thousands in the name of some higher power (God, Allah or many of the other synonyms)

6. The church is a joke. Pope Pius XII in the 50s accepted the theory of evolution as truth, only on the condition that at some point God infused the human soul (this is an insult to science and an attempt to pick and choose theory). Also, on monday March 10, the Vatican declared seven new social sins for the 21st century including laughable material like "conducting genetic experiments". Finally, do not forget the hypocrisy of the church. Sexual molestation of alter boys and profiting through church donations are happening all around us. I bring these numerous points up to highlight the absurdity of the Catholic Church (the prominent American church).

Ultimately, however, remember that it is the "Jesus Freaks" who ultimately bare the burden of proof. They are the group staking a specific claim, thus empirical evidence must support their claim. Because there is a complete lack of evidence, beyond subjective "faith experiences" (I had one when I was over indulgent at a bar one night), thus God is a nonexistent entity who is an intrinsic comfort to those who need some comfort they just cannot provide for themselves.

On a final note, if I am incorrect and this is, after all, God's world which is a deciding factor for His eternal life, I would rather have no part of it. If the best God can create is a dysfunctional melting pot of sin, suffering and violence, than I am more than content to disown myself as a child of God. So please, quarrel on about the existence of God (even though He could make all believe in Him at the drop of a hat) and rely on your faith as a justification for moral inactivity while I go change the world by challenging the gospel you roll over and accept.

PS: I like some of the pro-God arguments. The Future and Barbann have sent my pulse racing, thats for sure! The only one know might even be considered a credible source of theistic intellect is Hoogle, and yet he has some pretty questionable arguments about veils and judgment. I hope this debate is actually challenged instead of a presenting a bunch of bullshit ethos arguments trying to represent objective moral values.

Posted March 16, 2008

draik says:

If you believe there is one, there is one.
If you believe there is none, there is none.

Posted March 14, 2008

Rod says:

Hi Barbann

Yes, that is known as Pascal's Wager.
Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

Read on to the [constructive] 'criticisms' section. Are you sure you want to gamble?

Humanity obviously tends to believe in higher power(s).
That way they can shift blame onto someone else, or explain things they don't understand. The world would be a much better place if people were just kind to everyone etc of their own free will, because they want to, rather than out of fear they'll be set on fire by a higher power.
Why does there have to be something better out there?
Oh oh but if there isn't, we might ACTUALLY have to take responsibility for our own actions instead of blaming or praising a higher being.

Posted February 24, 2008

dnev says:

It's just too easy to put off living when you think some super powerful being has got shit covered for you. The fact is, you need to get your shit together yourself. People who say, - We have faith in God to help us through "insert problems here", are retarted. You need to own your life, simple as that.

Posted February 22, 2008

Jim says:

Posted October 20, 2009

jvboy_17 says:

It is painful to know that some people are weak to understand very simple analogy.

Posted September 30, 2009

jvboy_17 says:

lol,

You've got confused there. We are talking about Santa and not God.

This is to refute 'jim_evolution's' statement. Please read the rest of the postings to avoid this kind of incident, otherwise you won't sound right at all and it is bad for you :( sigh...

God bless!!!

Posted September 30, 2009

This one is for Zeus --

I am not sure if you grasp the full concept of blasphemy and hell. I rather talk to people with real smarts here, not to those who just pick random words that sounds good and used them for something that doesn't make any sense.

I've been in this debate for a long while and unfortunately only 1 on the Atheist side who is intellectual enough.

Anyhow, FYI:

Blasphemy is any language disrespecting something that is sacred.

Hell is an absence of God.

If you ask me -- I don't see anything sacred with Atheism, and so as the statement that Mr. Zeus here stipulated... All I can perceive is the total absence of God, or maybe I should use the word "Hell", just for you.

Smile smile!

Posted September 07, 2009

jvboy_17 says:

On the same concept as of our friend Dichard Rawkins -- if we also apply the biological point of view, could it also an infection why an Athiest doesn't believe in God, and similarly, their children and their children's children are programmed to obey what they are told to do... or learned from the key people of the Atheism world -- of Darwin, of Marxist... I am usure; but nevertheless, I rather not just abide to the concept of a dead men who stipulated ideas out of their head and formulated theories out of their good imagination.

Now which is truly a disease? Christianity or Atheism? Apparently on my own terms there is no such thing as infection -- if you don't want to believe, then it is in your own terms, it is not forced because, everyone has the choice not to. If you dont like the Christian concept, please stay off and mind your own business.

On the same manner, this discussion is about God and not about religion. If you are like our friend Dichard Rawkins here, who spoke of religion, please set off and start a new thread. Thank you.

Yet, let me be clear here the idea of religion is controlled not by God but by men; the biases about it is rather absurd, specially that religion could be a good measure of morality -- isn't it good to know of what is evil and what is good? or what is real happiness and what is not? Otherwise, we would look into the world on a different manner...if there is no threshold or measure of evilness, all of us will fall into chaos (or in my languange, sin).

It is saddening on how an atheist declare a statement without even understanding the full concept of what he or she is saying.

The misconception of prayer is not only true to the unbelievers and it is rather disturbing.

Prayer is "simply talking to God" -- it is not a 'Genie in a Bottle' nor a 'Sugar Daddy' that will give all that pleases you.

The analogy of a 'carton' and a 'God' is very improper. Considering that God is 'infinity' times bigger than a carton.

If a compare an Atheist to a rubber band... is that proper? I myself will say it is not.

Yes I see...

Ready to a real fight...bring it on!

Posted July 14, 2009

lightkids says:

I can't believe your debating this! It's obvious that God lives, look at the evidence.

Posted June 28, 2009

lightkids says:

There is a God! There is no way that this universe could exist without a higher power that created it. I'm not asking you to believe in fairies, but think about it things could not just appear! God has a purpose. The reason he doesn't make us rot is because he wants us to learn and to grow. He sent us here to become better people. That's why he doesn't make us rot and die. He loves us that's why. he sent his son to die for us and that's enough for me.

Posted June 28, 2009

fred says:

If I am wrong, I have nothing to lose by following him. owever, if you are wrong, and you are. You have everything to lose

Posted June 23, 2009

MusicDudeE says:

for example: DNA.
All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billions of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

Posted June 14, 2009

MusicDudeE says:

There is a God. When people say, "You can't prove it scientifically" I say back to them, yes I can, but you may not like the answer. So the problem here isn't whether or not we can proove that God exists scientifically (which we can) but whether or not you will be receptive to believe even after seeing it for yourself. I think the problem of "NOT" believing goes deeper than actual proof. The proof is there. You just have to decide to believe or not believe. It's just that easy.

Posted June 14, 2009

George L says:

Are you serious. God made all of us here today. I can't even believe that people would actually say they don't believe in God. without Godd we wouldn't be here! wow, i am still sshocked that there is even a debate about this. I BELIEVE IN GOD!!!

Posted June 07, 2009

jvboy_17 says:

There is no stability in this world -- and God will not only manifest in something that is beautiful.

Evil is suffering is permissible, it gives balance to the already rotten world. Balance in terms of knowing humanity as humanity, that all crave for riches, for eternal life, for perfect health...

...if God gave you all this right now, then there is no reason to aspire heaven...

Apparently, not all comes for free, if anybody wanted a "real perfect life", earn it -- it only requires you one thing, and that is "to believe".

"A person who eat a bite of bread a day often recognizes God better. There are those who fill themselves up with the bread of man until they get fat and ugly... maybe it is the time to diet".

"If a tornado strikes by surpise -- how antagonizing it is that both believers and unbelievers will get sucked in and die...but for believers, it doesn't end there -- it is rather a beginning..."

Posted March 10, 2009

W8102BRaptured says:

I just have to laugh when I read all these comments about the bible being fiction when actually it is filled with historical facts! I mean you tell me why Jesus is the basis for our current year... 2009 AD. It's because He is the center of all things, make no mistake about that! Through Him all things were created with the Father. And yes, God is complex, we could never fully understand how wonderful He really is! And He is still wonderful to you, even though you don't believe. As long as there is breath in your lungs, there is still hope for you.
Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Posted March 10, 2009

PetSnakes says:

It's a bold statement to say there is no God. It's an absolute that requires definitive proof. Lack of belief in anyone, particularly God, does not show that person not to exist. It just shows you choose not to acknowledge them.

Posted March 10, 2009

jessicahoward says:

well i will say god does exist....just look in yourself....god is inside you...have you helped someone?try to so....you will feel it..

Posted March 09, 2009

Nathaniel says:

There is a God, only 1 God His name is Jesus Christ which lived 2000 years ago and died for every persons sins. He loves each and every one of us equally. Beleive it or not He created you,the Earth, and the Universe. He is all powerful and all knowing and He cares enough to have a personal relationship with a lame being such a us humans, But were to self center and naive to realize it. Put yourself aside and let Jesus into your heart, confess your sins and let Him be the Lord of your life. Jesus loves you!!!!!!

Posted March 02, 2009

jvboy_17 says:

Santa --

An answer to your simple comment:

A God doesn't need a man or the whole mankind to make Him up. And believing in God doesn't have to be in your book for it to be certain. Apparently your book is your book alone, and nobody really cares about it.

You said something about reality and fiction. How do define reality? Should it really be tangible? The reality of a God cannot be perceive by the 5 senses, but is gained, learned and experienced through enlightenment.

Enlightenment in terms of realizing the biggest and the smallest in this universe as something that is too intricate in design, which rather implies a Creator, or in my language a God.

Apparently Science or Math cannot be used to dispute a God. I will not trust the Math that causing all the rufus to the Global Economy and the Science who is also bounded by Theories. In fact both Science and Math either compute and believe in intangibles.

Tell me one thing that is not made by man that dispute a God. All I know that everything that goes against the reality of a God is all made by the people and their books...and their stories...On this scenario, you won't be able to justify that you are certain, because you are not.

Is the big bang theory not a story?
Is the evolution theory not a story?
Is the gravitation law not a story? (which is now being disputed by Science itself as wrong, because Newton was wrong with his formula on getting the actual location of the moon)
There are lots of stories here -- and they are also created so many years ago, aren't they?

Killing, yes I've read killing in your posting. I don't know how many times do I have to repeat myself. I encourage all atheist to read the postings first before spitting words out -- as far as I don't want to make you guys look stupid, I cannot help out if you're causing this to yourselves.

Anyhow, religion is not God and God is not religion. If people are killing for religion's sake, for belief's sake, it is not God's but the people. If the pope killed one atheist, it is not God who killed but the Pope. Please put that in mind.

My religion bounded me not to kill, and actually teach love. Apparently, some believers tend to incline themselves back to their atheist nature (like gays pretending to be straight) and started sinning and killing.

I'm ready for a big fight -- too bad you used Santa. Did you ever know that Santa was actually real, and he was born appox. 280 A.D. He is a nice man who gave his wealth to the needy. You're probably sleep too long in your couch. And you have disgraced a good man; and that would count you out as somebody who is ill-natured.

Sigh... I thank my God for this so many insights. You better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout I'm telling you why, Santa Claus is coming to town! Choo Choo...

I have already stated before in this thread that logical mind, reasoning and science are all important, but having only these would be insufficient.

Science dictates tangibles; all that are not perceivable by the senses are false.

Logic will define anything as true or false.

Reason applies rationality. A rational notion should always make sense.

Now, let me track back to your previous post and look deeper into your "evolution theory":

Are you able to use your senses and have seen, smelled, tasted and felt evolution?

Applying logic here; it is true that missing links are still missing. Then on this case, the evolution theory is false. There is only zero and one in logic.

Now after all this facts, tell me if the evolution theory would still make sense. Apparently, it doesn't.

I am telling you that not all things are measurable my Science, or machines and inventions or man's thoughts.

You do not need logic to love your wife or children.
You do not use Science to know that is it not right to kill.
Reasoning can be applied by both theologians and non-theologians.

Just a reiteration:
"Men reached the heavens, they didn't find God there; men went to the deep of the seas and ocean...still no God to find; but they all seen the majesty, greatness, complexity, and magnificence and beauty of the universe."

Who is the real ignorant? A man who is intellectual but lack wisdom, or a man who is full of wisdom but lacks intellect. If I am to be asked with this question, I would say neither -- for you need both wisdom and intellect.

In knowing God you should lean more on your wisdom. Then apply you intellect and use Science to prove Him more.

Posted November 24, 2008

jvboy_17 says:

Sir Graham Barrett:
No matter how I look into the evolution theory you cannot see real truth out of it. Real truth is absolute, it means it cannot be shaken nor disputed.
Further on this thread I have already defined the flaw of the evolution theory; this is described by the non-existent fossils and it's nature as a byproduct of man's thinking -- man who is prone to error and embraces other people's abstractions. Darwin is smart, but he is not God, not a god, or of god. Darwin is a man, who once made a thought, and people fell from that thought and assume that the thought he thought is reality.
When you said that you control your own destiny, I think I should not believe you, for you are basing your way of life to Darwin ? a man of good imagination ? and mind you that I rather follow a God than follow a man.
Man said before that Pluto is a planet ? and then a few year later they said it is not.
Sometimes, the only thing that people need to do is go outside of their boxes.
Lastly ? evolution cannot create matter (from your: that we are all here due to evolution, NOT creation.)

Posted November 24, 2008

paperfacets says:

God does not exist as long as populations fight in the Name Of God. I think there is a need for God because peoples long ago thought up the notion. So if he exists in your mind? Good!
Just don't fight about it.

Posted November 08, 2008

jvboy_17 says:

The reality I am defining is not about my conception alone -As far as the arguments that I opened up ?before' applies, I can declare a notion; this is not just a question of relevance, this is rationalization.

Since the notion tracks back to the arguments, there must be justification. If I am able to justify a God, then I can declare a God. If a tooth fairy can be justified, then you can declare a tooth fairy. Furthermore, on this, any argument(s) that are to be presented or has been presented ought to be supported by proofs or adequate philosophies.

A story needs a storyteller ? therefore I should tell the story of a God that is real. On this scenario, anybody has two options. It is either you accept the concept, or you reject the concept. There is nothing wrong on telling a story and there is nothing wrong on listening, also it is not wrong not to listen. This is the reason why I said that living a God is a digression that can only be made by "you" alone.

My creed tells me that God intended to be presented to everybody. This is our calling. I believe you have the same mission, and you complying with it actively?but in your case, you are the opposite of what we are professing. I am talking about God and you are refuting God; therefore, we have similarities in our goals.

Posted October 30, 2008

jvboy_17 says:

I agree and always stressed out that religion and God are not the same. But if the con resorted to attack my creed I should react with the same manner of defending by belief.

Forcing and defending are different -- I've always said that I'm not here to sway, I'm here to speak that what I am believing in, aka God, is true.

And to avoid any biases, every athiest should avoid attacking religion, and the denominations of faith should live righteously on what their creed dictates them.

There are so many ideologies that we can grasp -- nevertheless learning a creed, adapting a religion and living a God is a disgression that can only be made by "you" alone.

Sigh...

I want to end this by saying that GOD IS REAL.

oh my, crazy duck, oh my...you get so hung up on the far reaches of the Bible when God is trying to get your attention!
To call God's word "garbage"...ayahhhhh, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes on either judgment day...and you seem to be headed for the second one...you think you know so much that you can doubt God's Word...this reminds me of what one brother-in-the-Lord once said, "you run into these people that say they have read the Bible and they don't believe it. Then you ask them if they think they know, oh, let's say 1% of what there is to know in the world today...and some even have no second thought to say that, yes, they know at least 1% of what the world has to offer in the way of knowledge. Well, of course, we finite little people don't have a smidgen of understanding about how much there is to know of things just related to the world we live in, but taking it much further, without a lifetime of pursuing the Lord, we won't know a smidgen's worth about the Bible in the way of life, the divine life, as the Lord intended when He wrote the Bible through the ones that He chose to speak through...whew!

Okay, so understand something, youall...God has a plan...His plan is simple...He wants to get Himself inside of you...and He didn't choose to do this in the Old Testament, but He did decide to do it in the New Testament, the new covenant. And He did it through His death on the cross. When He died, He only died in His humanity. God cannot die in His Spirit. So that is why it says in 1 Corinthian 15:45 that He became the life-giving Spirit. This is the way that He works Himself into those who choose to believe and receive Him. Then, year after year of seeking Him through prayer and fellowship and reading the Bible with a mingled spirit, He gets into and transforms His believers so that they become like Him in life and nature but not the Godhead.

I'll pray for all of you, both sides...

hoogle

Posted August 07, 2008

Hoogle says:

Hey, Crazy Duck...I agree with you ... that all religions must be stamped out! Absolutely...of course, it won't happen until the Lord comes back and smashes the toes as mentioned in Daniel...the problem with religion is that it is not God's way to carry out His sovereign and divine arrangement...religion is defined as worshipping God without Christ. People do it all the time, Catholics, Protestants, islamists, not all but most of them have no clue that "he who has the Son has the life (eternal) and he who does not have the Son does not have life"...chapter 5 of 1 John.

And of course, no one on the left wants to admit that they sin, or that their sin is unconscienable, but all sin needs to be cleansed from our being and forgiven, otherwise there is no way to contact God. We are filthy in His eyes without being covered by Christ.

Well, I know that most of this is beyond the left side's comprehension, because youall haven't figured out yet that to read and understand the Bible requires the use of your human spirit and this needs to be regenerated to be of use to you.

May the Lord be with your spirit...
hoogle

Posted August 02, 2008

jvboy_17 says:

"I am not losing anything..." -- If I die today and God is not real I am still okay."; And If I die today and God is real I would be rejoicing in heaven. You non believers! If you die today and God is not real, yes you are ok. But! If you die today and God is real...where would you go?

Posted August 01, 2008

animerobot says:

althought i am only 8 years old, i know God exist. I can feel it...in my heart. God Bless you. :_)

Posted July 30, 2008

rms says:

this great lens is today's feature at the Giant Squid Community Showcase.

Posted July 29, 2008

Caleb Gray's Clone says:

*sigh*

Posted July 25, 2008

crazyduck says:

Oh My God! I've seen the Light! Jesus *IS* my saviour - how could I ever have been so blind?

Thank you for pointing out how wrong I was. (I looked up what you said dude about the eyes, and you're right! I was just too stupid to know better because I was blind to the Lord.)

Thank you JaneDoe01 for setting me straight about what I've got to loosen. Now I'm real loose for the Lord to do his thing with me :-)

Thank you Hoogle for constantly stickin' it up me and all those other atheists and sinners about how wrong we are - I would still be going to Hell if it wasn't for you.

And thank you jvboy_17 for your philosophical input. Even though I don't understand a word, it must be right because you are believing so strongly in Jesus and almighty God.

Hellaluyah praise the Lord!

Posted July 25, 2008

jvboy_17 says:

An Athiest would definitely declare an ideology that refutes the existence of God and opposes the teachings of the churches.
Let say for instance, the foxhole athiesm believes that God is only made by man out of fear. Sigmund Freud on the other hand said that God is only a product of man's thinking. Karl Marx also gave another statement that the church is like a police force (that forces us to worship because we are told to do so) and opium of the masses (we use prayer - and only prayer - as our resort when we encounter difficulties). The theory of evolution and the big bang theory opposes the power of the creator. These are only some of the ideologies presented and sometimes we intend to believe these because there is also something real in it.

However these ideas can also be answered or refuted. The foxhole athiesm only presented the internal fear or the emotional fear. God is an external being and we should use our fear in an external manner if we wanted to know Him. It is not that we fear God because he punishes us but we fear Him because we are afraid to lose him. Also it is a fact that man cannot exist without God but God can exist without man, also God can even exist without fear. As proven by science everything in this universe is in order and harmony (the movement of the planets, the life cycle etc...) and it could only be done by an intelligent super being. These expanation is also true in refuting the ideology of Freud. Karl Marx had a great flaw because he didn't tackled the freedom given to man. The theory of evolution had a great flaw because it wasn't explained there how the human soul evolved and the missing link is not yet clearly proven. The big bang theory could not be true because a total chaos can't create order and harmony, which I said characterized our universe.

Posted July 24, 2008

Hoogle says:

tsk tsk the blind speak forth such rubbish...the hard hearted,
the "intelligent" ones, using their minds which have probably been polluted on some liberal campus somewhere...what is the statistic now? 92 per cent of professors are extremem liberals spewing out that God does not exist? Well, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. It is prophesied, therefore it will happen. So the critical part of mentioning this is that you want to be in Him when you bow. To take care of that you need to have the thick veils pealed away from your eyes one layer at a time. This is only done by using your human spirit. Calling on the Lord (not Obamaramadingdong)
will bring Him to you...may He have mercy on you...you and I need His mercy...and then the grace, which is just God Himself embodied in Christ and coming to us as the Spirit. I don't visit this sight much any more because the left side and often even the right side don't have much to say in relation to the Bible. But, it is God's speaking to us and HIs declaration of who He is to us. If you want to listen to a professor who is possibly hellbound (the torment side of Hades) over listening and reading God's Word, then you are setting your eyes on your destination and you won't like it when you get there. And once you are there, that is it. When this human life for you is over, you will have had to make your choice by then. We have three choices...to be an unbeliever, to be a defeated believer, or to be an overcomer. That's it...there are no other choices. Two of those are the best of the three. And hopefully the obvious choices for you to choose one from...

In Him,
Hoogle

Posted July 23, 2008

CindyJaneStone says:

Imagine this, you get to the end of the road and you realize God exists and you did not believe in Him, what do you do now? But on the other hand you get there and you realize He does not exists...well what did you loose living a good life being a good person and helping those around you, believing in what God tells you.

what do you loose in believing?

what would you loose in not believing and you realize too late that He exists....

Posted July 14, 2008

Caleb Gray says:

*sigh*

Posted July 13, 2008

says:

your wrong as stupid duck. Its loss of pigments in the cones man. God has blinded you to the truth. when you try using science to make a joke of Michael it's really the Devil guiding you to your final resting place in Hell. So go ahead and laugh you stupid duck

Posted July 10, 2008

Philium Benedict Mondego The Sixteenth says:

I once made toast that looked like donald duck. If you read this then you are a homo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And god is me. no he isn't. SHUT UP!!!!! I love gay ants.

Posted July 07, 2008

Michael says:

I don't think blue eyed women exist, if they did why don't you show us right here on this web page. I'm color blind so color doesn't exist. Come on and prove it! You're God blind, that's the problem. His existence is all around us, look outside and see His creation. All things have a creator, including this web page. I've never met the webpage creator, but I bet he/she exists! So where is the creator of the universe? I don't know, but I see His creation daily.

the only thing why people choose not to believe in God because they think if there was a higher power, one could shift blame onto someone else, or explain things they don't understand

and why this hoohaa a about christian and God?
there are so many religions out there, and we're only talking about GOD

Posted May 06, 2008

corruptedworldsaveyr says:

hmm, true about the chosen part hoogle,
because i think it's really true

Posted May 06, 2008

Grasshoppa says:

If you think the Bible is "just another work of fiction", you either haven't read much of the Bible, or you haven't read much fiction. I've read plenty of both, and there is plenty of difference.

Ignorance? True science will point to God's existence every time. Just because he's a gentleman and allows you to believe whatever you want to believe is no reason to insult him and his followers.

But go ahead. Yuk it up. Enjoy your superiority complex while it lasts, because it won't last forever.

Posted May 05, 2008

Lim dhlim says:

There is God existing in this world.. It is up to each individual how he/she looks at the perspective of whether he/she believes God.. Well, God is really magnificient, he really helps to save our lives, and also to fulfil our dreams/hopes that we yearn for.. With God, we can really find our true happiness, and also can find real relationship perhaps.. Yeah, Gen, that has answered to your question! :)

Do you ever think to yourself "what if I'm wrong?"

The New World Order and Christianity

Posted April 25, 2008

American says:

You are in for a rude awakening.

Posted April 25, 2008

EelKat says:

I believe there is a "God", but I'm not certain that the "God of Abraham" is entirely correct with the "Real God". I mean just look at the teaching of the God of Abraham: promotes murder, death and violence. Hates women, thinks nothing of children, esp if they are female, glorifies in the slaughter of animals! WTH? THAT God, the God of the Old Testament IS NOT the God I believe in!

I believe that God (the Real God, not the Bible's fairy tale version) is a kind and loving Great Spirit or Creator, the way many Native American religions teach.

But yes, I do believe there is a God.

Posted April 23, 2008

Calagara says:

If you really want to "find" God, you'll have to do the work yourself, friend. No one can "force" Him on you - you have to want it for yourself. The carnal mind cannot discern the things of the spirit and until you focus your spiritual eyes on Him, you'll never see anything but yourself. If you are satisfied that all the God you need is right there within yourself, go in peace and have a nice life. But when you reach the highest plane of self aware spiritual enlightenment or the lowest level of the darkest pit of despair, you will realize that you are not enough and that He is always there. That is when YOU will find out what "this God" looks like.

Posted April 22, 2008

says:

It's funny you think such just because you can't see him. That does not mean he does not exist. Think about it, we can't see air but we can feel it thus,we know it exists. We have a toothache we can't see it but we know it's there because we feel it. It's the same thing with GOD, we feel him around us all the time. let me put this to you, you want us to prove that he exist right? God does not bargain with humans, he is the one in control and he would do such when the time is right. Look at you pity atheists,trying to disprove that God did not create the universe. Trust me scientist did not convince me otherwise that God does not exist. They FAILED miserably. Up to this day, they can't give a scientific reasoning as to why humans exists. So DUMB!! If they sooooooo brilliant, why can't they prove such huh? Let's take your theory. You claim it's a BIG BANG (how foolish) Fine!! Uh, don't you think there was a force behind the big bang? Of there was GOD, IDIOTS, GOD!! A BIG BANG would NOT have caused the Earth to be in such organsied form whereby everything is balanced

Posted April 18, 2008

surfchicky23 says:

For those who say there is no God because you cannot prove it, ill give you this example. Can a painting comprehend the artist? Can a flower comprehend the realm of the animal? Animal comprehend the realm of the Human? Human comprehend the realm of the soul?
No we cannot, but for me there is enough evidence to know there is a higher level of existence. Just take a look at the universe and be humbled. I am.

Posted April 17, 2008

ChurchDuck says:

I'll make this short. I hardly believe anyone will read this message anyways though.

I pitty you. That you would be so numb, to assume God will show himself the way you want him to. He's bigger than that.

I have debated numerous times, over scientific reasons why God does or does not exsist. Its quite pointless, because you will be able to reason within your head whatever you want.

But I want to point something out to you, that maybe you have overlooked.

Your breathing right now. Thats a gift from God in my oppinion.

You've blinked about 60 times since you started to read this. That is also a gift from God, in my oppinion.

You just seamlessly pulsed muscles in your eye, without even thinking about it. Another gift, in my oppinion.

My oppinion may not matter to you. But I want you to know it is not based on petty things like emotion. But I have spent the past 16 years of my life chasing God. And I could give you many accounts of when I have caught him.

But it wouldnt make any differance. Your looking for a god that will do what you want. That will show himself the way you want. And will give you knowledge of him without use of faith.

Again, I pitty you.
Sooner or later, before or after you've passed away, you will realise its not about what you want.

Posted April 15, 2008

SivartM says:

Sorry, I can't scientifically prove God. "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah", that is, that Jesus was killed and rose again after three days. God doesn't have to prove Himself to you, and besides, if you literally, physically saw God then you'd die, so you don't really want to.

Posted April 13, 2008

God says:

I exist. Now go do something else.

Posted April 12, 2008

Anon says:

Standing by for any slight bit of evidence that there is no God.

Okay Judas X,
I just happened to read your comments, thanks for making them, I sense a little more thought in what you say, however, I wouldn't bother reading something from a Catholic about anything, they are in darkness, some are saved, but many are blind. For one, you as a believer don't get baptized into the Lord Jesus spiritually speaking until you have reached an age that you can make a decision based on having received the Word of God helped along by the spoken word. That is not possible with an infant, a two year old, three year old, etc.
Peter is an excellent example of a buffoon, uneducated fisherman who stumbled around for three and a half years making a fool of himself in and out of the Lord's presence. He even made his famous three time denial of Christ to a little girl. Then he wept, because he remembered what the Lord said he would do, which was deny Him three times. But what happened after the Lord died and resurrected? He breathed Himself into his disciples, which means that He began imparting His divine life and nature (John 10:10b, "I have come to give life (zoe) and life (zoe) abundantly") into them. On the day of Pentecost, what happened? The Lord, who had been appearing and then not appearing to different ones after His resurrection, supplied Peter inwardly and outwardly, and over 3,000 got saved after hearing him speak. Do you think that these Jewish people converted because they heard an uneducated fisherman speak to them? Of course not, he allowed the Lord to speak through him. They had the difficult transition of seeing the physical Jesus to knowing that He now lived inside of them, just like He lives inside of me right now. This is quite a lot for even believers to grasp, that the One who created them dwells in their human spirit and wants to permeate and saturate their entire being, with the glorification of our bodies taking place when the Lord returns.
One last point, how can anyone watch the birth of a baby, like I have four times, or considered the universe and the ORDER in the universe and not think that there is One who is overseeing everything that He created? Anyway, I'll check back again...

Posted April 01, 2008

Hoogle says:

Hi Rod, I can only speak for myself, but the greatest joy and lasting enjoyment is Christ, the Lord Jesus. Nothing ever has compared to Him and nothing will ever be more precious than this One. You call us fools, so be it, I'm a fool for Christ.
My heart (spiritual one, that is) is in the light, I have turned my heart to the Lord and the veils have been taken away.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there lies Rod, calling out to all the enjoyers of the Lord, "why can't I see this God with my eyes?" Well, read Corinthians, which is the Lord's speaking through the apostle Paul, 2nd Cor 3:17 "But whenever their hearts turn to the Lord, the veil is taken away". Rod, you have not turned your heart, so of course you cannot see, nor will you ever be able to see, even in eternity, you will not be able to see because your heart is hardened and you live in darkness.
1 Cor 6:17 "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit"...I am joined as one spirit to the Lord of the universe...not bad huh? I have the life and nature of God, while our friend Rod here has the life and nature of Satan...OUCH...hey, Hoogle didn't really say that did he? Ah, but yes I did because I read the Bible and it reveals that there is no neutral ground, we are either for the Lord or against Him, and His enemy is Satan and the unbelievers. All of human existence has witnessed this battle. We are born flesh, our soul and body belong to Satan, he is personified in Romans 7, read it Rod, and then if you chance to read Romans 8 you will see this matter of the Spirit. "the mind set on the flesh, yours, is...death, but the mind set on the spirit is ...life and peace."

So I'll choose life and peace...death does not appeal to me.
Rod, not only do you need to read the Bible, but you have to read it with your human spirit, even one better than that, you have to read it with your regenerated human spirit and that requires that you turn your heart to the Lord.

The things that I read on the left column are enough that I really won't take much time visiting this site. I think youall just play the game of teasing the believers, I don't really think that you are that numb and dumb (ignorant is to be ignoring) to the Word of God. Surely not...you are paying too great a price to have such a stinking "reward"...which is eternal torment with your buddy Satan. Yes I know that non believers think that that is a cheap shot...actually it is the truth and the truth hurts. I would rather be faithful to the Word of God than be calling up one of the left column writers for "wisdom" and "supply"...these are virtues that only God has and gives only to His believers. Why not give it a try...actually I think you are already one and just like to prod a few of us from time to time....if I were younger, I might spend the time...if you have a serious and genuine question to pose besides the silly argument of "is there God?", then I'll entertain it and not promise an answer because obviously I don't have all the answers, but your question would probably be one we've all heard and answered many times.
lol

Posted April 01, 2008

spirituality says:

I believe in something beyond what my physical eyes can see - because that's just how I experience my life. Not sure I'd call that something God, but for the purpose of this lens - I think that's the only word I'd know how to use.

maybe LSD will help.

Posted March 14, 2008

MichellePrevette says:

Everyone has the right to choose where they are going, so sad to see people in such disbelief. That's why this world is so corrupt. God is Good

Posted March 13, 2008

Barbann says:

I am a believer. No debate, no argument. My choice. What if you are wrong? I would not want to have to pay the price you are going to so I choose to err on the side of caution.

Posted March 13, 2008

wisenupinfo says:

Be aware of who you call out to in your need

Posted March 13, 2008

Hoogle says:

Praising is the highest work that we can do for the Lord. It is even higher than praying. King David said that he praised the Lord seven times a day, and prayed three times a day. The more we search His unsearchable riches (Eph 3:8), the more we see of Him and enjoy Him. When was the last time that you just took a moment and said, "Lord Jesus, I love You and I can't live without You!" He counsels us in the book of Revelation to buy gold...and when He counsels us, we should listen. So what is it to buy gold? Gold typifies the nature of God, and to "buy" is to pay a price. We need to pay a price to pursue the Lord that we might have more of His life and nature in our being.
It is sad to me to see so many be indifferent to their Creator. But it saddens the Lord much more. Even when He was Immanuel, God with us, His own did not recognize Him. Even today my Jewish friends are waiting on the Messiah, and He has already come! And He is on the earth today living inside of every one of His believers...what a mercy. I am praying for ones on both sides of this "debate"...I will check back in a day or so if someone has a lingering question...I don't have many answers but love to fellowship with my brothers and sisters in the Lord anytime...it allows the divine life to flow among us and what could be better than that for the moment? Praise the Lord!

Posted March 10, 2008

corruptedworldsaveyrdebatendless says:

does God need to be created
and the universe of course is not infinite. if theuniverse is created, and its big, then the God must be bigger, so since he can do this, much more greater thing able.
Intelligent Design Theory...

Posted March 08, 2008

fefe says:

Three Letters: F S M
http://www.squidoo.com/fsm-exists

Posted March 08, 2008

driewe says:

Everywhere present and fillests all things.

Posted March 07, 2008

corruptedworldsaveyrmind4sevendaysifoundaholyguyherewoo=hoo says:

Hoogle?
May I have yr email,
sorry I have some questions too, harmless

Posted March 06, 2008

corruptedworldsaveyrmind4sevendaysifoundaholyguyherewoo=hoo says:

I forgot to change tabs

And Hoogle, youre a nice guy. God Bless. Shld I brush up, or is it too late?

You know MAny ppl believes that God exists because of the Intelligent Design Theory - there's to be one intelligent being up there would designed everything so perfly.
Hmm, BUt, that being is Wisdomy Deign rites
How is that?

Posted March 06, 2008

Hoogle says:

Oh my, the wasted words of man...God is interested in one thing and one thing only...working Himself into the human spirit of man...and He can only do that if man turns his heart to the Lord and the veils are taken away...while the veils remain, the speaking stays in darkness and who needs the thoughts from the dark when there can be the glory of the light...even though the Bible has become an open book, man is still rebelious and refuses too many times to take serious who God is and how God's judgment will come down. The interesting point is that He judges His own house first, then 1,000 years later He judges and dismisses all the ones in the left column who haven't turned their hearts and deals a blow to the majority of the ones in the right column who, although they received Him, continued to live in the world and take care of their "self", which the Lord said that we should deny.

Posted March 05, 2008

corruptedworldsaveyrmind4sevendays says:

On whom/what do you base ALL knowledge on? Two choices: God or Man
If man ? Rationalism (Clark) OR Evidentialism (Aquinas)
If God ? Presuppositionalism
A presupposition is a fundamental assumption. Something that you assume to be, an assumption that is often made without critical analysis or independent verification. It is your foundational axiom.
Rod, this to and fro has been pleasing. Rod, you find science/chemistry INTERESTING rite? Well, chemistry DOES hypothesis.

We presume the existence of G/god. Lets see..
If Man must use evidence to find G/god, then God is dependent upon man for revelation.
If logic is the analysis to which we ?get? to G/god, then God is dependent upon logic.
Both are unproven throughout records far far back if you wanna say
Because god is independently extant.

You want to SEEEE GOD? I/he am that/who I/he am, so you/even I don't need an explanation from god!
We stop asking where god stops

Posted March 03, 2008

Corruptedworldsaveyrmindsevendayadventistchurchwebsitethisiswhatwillleadtoperhapsifthisgoesonendlesslyilljustleavethisirritatingdebate says:

trust me, scientology is not the way to live. it is not evil, but it is a bag of lies. i believe in science, but science is not the only way to explain everything. there is faith, and believes.
if you go to a cult, SDAC Mrmns JW , where they are branched chrstianity one would rather not believe theres a God
step foot inside and see the dangers because it is contradicting
find out whats a cult and true
trust me, there is always a God. man are far from knowing the wonders of life. so what makes scientologist think they know all the answer to life? they do not know any more than us!

And wads this saying its monotheism . this debate clearly concentrates on one: christianity! What
And you talk about ?having children like Jesus? clearly concentrated here. Its discriminating.
If I'm not wrong, only Stan will rebuke Jesus. You are not possessed but you are possessed

Make friends and is this debate thaking up your time, fill out your fullest life by contributing back to society then. charity
One cannot always condemn religin, find out whats wrong with them that makes them so obsene then TELL THEM
Go to that church / mosque and TELL your friend who is there what is the thing they do that turns people off.

They are self-conceited? should love more? TELL them because you dont know they do not know tt they do not know.
If Atheist dont make war than how selfless can they become because they dont have love to tell the people this is hurting me
But in the same time, what makes you have the right to tell them , but yr telling your affiliates there

Posted March 03, 2008

corruptedworldsaveyrmindsevendayadventistchurchwebsitethisiswhatwillleadtoperhapsifthisgoesonendlesslyilljustleavethisirritatingdebate says:

What's this hoo-haa on Muslims, Christianity when there can be this argument about whether GOD even exist.

How about Baha'i Faith
Buddhism
Confucianism

Hinduism

Islam
Jainism
Judaism
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Vodun (Voodoo)
Asatru (Norse Paganism) *
Druidism
Goddess Worship
Wicca
Witchcraft
Caodaism
Damanhur Community
Druze
Eckankar
Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Gnosticism
Gypsies
Hare Krishna - ISKCON
Ifa, the religion of the Yoruba people of West Africa
Lukumi
Macumba
Mowahhidoon
Native American Spirituality
Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement

Satanism; The Church of Satan SATAN EXIST SO? NO GOD@
Scientology
Unitarian-Universalism
The Creativity Movement (formerly called World Church of the Creator)
The Yazidi branch of Yazdânism
Zoroastrianism

Stop tiring us out in this endless geneologies and debates, where it's ok but
SO dont speak so unlovelily, biggest hypocrites - talk about being in love but you are speaking spitefully-Hoogle has been nice - please poll-, condemnation tone and preconceived notions against people.
Go solve problems having with people in church first.
I want to see an argument for those persistent to win this debate from Zoroastrianism whether god is in heaven.

Posted March 02, 2008

oh hey guys. i'm a christian and i dont agree with those who cant see GOD and dont love JESUS. they cant see what there missing out on but i feel sad to for the other christians who have got the wrong message. My pastor says that only the kjv is the right one and those corrupt bibles like the asv the isv the rv and all those other especially like the jahovahs witnesses are all going to HELL for blashpeming against the TRUE GOD. only the baptists have got the TRUE MESSAGE OF JESUS so come to our church and pray with us and be baptized in the living waters

Posted February 26, 2008

fdavis says:

He's right there in front of you on the web page. I don't see how you could possibly not see him.

Posted February 26, 2008

Hoogle says:

Since I mentioned the "high gospel" I guess I should come back next week and share it with you nonbelievers. Also, just one more point: if you read the Bible with your mind, you will not receive the light and truth...you need to use your human spirit...which was deadened by the evil one when Adam took the fall, but you can choose to get regenerated by receiving the Lord, then when you read the Bible, you are using the proper "organ" to get the understanding. You hear with your ears, see with your eyes, and read the Bible with your spirit!
See you next week!

Posted February 26, 2008

Henry says:

It not only saddens me, but also the Lord Jesus, when any human says that he does not believe in God. I used to say to my brother who waited until his dying days to receive the Lord, that it is a shame to not ever have lived one minute of your life for the Lord, your Creator.
The Bible can be summed up in one phrase, "God became a man (Jesus), so that man could become God in life and nature, but not the Godhead". If Christianity ever saw this and spoke this fact of the Bible, then their testimony would be much more effective and you nonbelievers would have millions more Christians preaching the high gospel to you, providing you with a way to be touched by their speaking, which should truly be God's speaking through them.
Only Jesus ever claimed to be God. Hmmm, think about that one. And I love John 14:20, which says, "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you." Now what day is this? The day of resurrection...He died in His humanity, which was what Mary provided Him as God had never had humanity, but God can never die in His essence, in His Spiritual existence, so when Jesus (God)died on the cross, He resurrected as the Spirit, actually the Bible refers to Him as the life-giving Spirit, the divine life Giver. So when He says He will be in the Father, He means in the spiritual realm, and when He says "I in you", He means He will come into our human spirit.
Thus the verse, Galatians 2:20, in which Paul says, "no longer I who live", meaning Christ has come into his human spirit and he now lives Christ. This is to be a Christian.
I hope this helps...I will read the responses and respond, in love of course.
You nonbelievers, the joy in this world not to mention peace, is found only in receiving the Lord into your human spirit. When He comes in, you then possess the greatest treasure on earth, and you receive the eternal life. WOW!

Posted February 25, 2008

Debbie C says:

That if you spend time in Prayer, meditation or just quiet time & ask Him (God) to show you the truth, He will. He is in ones' heart. Also if you take time to study the word of God ( the Bible) you might learn something. After all that book has been proven spiritually and scientifically to be true, except for the situations that have not happened yet. People study everything else, why not the Word of God, before one opens their negative mouth. I am sure glad that I know Him & that I have something to look forward to after I live this hateful world.

Posted February 24, 2008

will993 says:

Well something or someone better than use has to exist somewhere whether it be God or something else it's really just a name.

Posted February 23, 2008

Oosquid says:

I'm a bit of a fence sitter. I can't say that I absolutely believe that there is a god but I can't say I absolutely believe that there is not.

What I can say is that I hope there is - I hope there is something better than man.

Posted February 23, 2008

kab says:

People in every culture in the world have believed in some kind of God. I can only believe that they have experienced things over time that you and I have not. And why should God prove himself to YOU?

Posted February 21, 2008

Alban says:

If you say, there is no God, then you also say that death is reality, and you a meaningless pile of nothingness, that is not dead yet. God is, and death is not real. I don't need a God to feel better. How can what is meaningless be made better? There is only one solution to the problem you see. This is not reality. It is what you have made to blot out reality and not to know God. There is only your Self.

Posted February 20, 2008

Nirvinyls says:

Dont get me wrong today's church is crap, preachers are crap, and Christianity is crap. But to say no god, wow who are you master of the universe. I don't claim to know all and I'm not saying God loves you but come on. Stop being so small and give some credit. Do you think you came from a monkey? If so who created the monkey and the planet upon which he stands?
NV

Posted February 17, 2008

Nirvinyls says:

Show me a human that can create a universe. Come on show me just one. Dont let mans theology make you stupid. Look into the stars and think about it. You have made your existence small in your mind and set boundaries. Maybe that makes you feel better about yourselves. You must open your mind and heart and look inside for the truth. Otherwise you've made yourself a simple minded twit stuck in your own ideologies.

NV

Posted February 17, 2008

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