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lol says:
jvboy_17,
so, just to clear this up, you're saying that god existed a long time ago in rural Germany, but is presently dead. However, parents still lie to their children about him and his magical abilities and his ability to punish/reward behavior from the grave.
Sound about right?
Posted September 29, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
jim_evolution,
The reality of Santa can be traced down historically --
People like you get misconceptions. Sometimes in life, it is not just a question of yes or no. Maybe it is time for you to get off your couch and do some research, because you've been a bad boy and Santa won't like it.
Read more about St. Nicholas of Myra --
In the end you will find out that you are disgracing a man who once lived righteously and lovingly. What this makes you? Sometimes it is our culture and customs that blinds us...but this should not limit us, because people have smarts, and please channel it wisely.
Now since Santa is real -- then you are right about God :P And you are the very first atheist on this forum to profess this reality (applause applause).
Posted September 24, 2009
jim_evolution_1983 says:
GOD OR GODS ARE ABOUT AS REAL AS SANTA CLAUSE.
Posted September 23, 2009
Rephen says:
I've been reading the previous posts and this theism/religion thing keeps coming up all the time, so here is a quote from
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/religion/blrel_theism_what.htm
"That theism only means "belief in a god" and nothing more can be difficult to understand at times because we don't normally encounter theism in such isolation. Instead, when we see theism, it is embedded in a web of other beliefs - often religious in nature - which color not only the theism itself but also our perception of that theism."
So you will notice that at no time have I ever mentioned religion. I have been very careful to make reference only to god(s) here.
Polytheism = many gods
Monotheism = one god
Jvboy_17, you are a monotheist. I am an atheist. I have a perfectly valid right to subtract one from one and get zero. Unless of course there are two gods that actually exist and now I am proclaiming myself a monotheist like yourself.
:-)
Posted September 15, 2009
Rephen says:
Hi jvboy_17,
"a-theism" means without theism. Theism is belief in a god, or gods. I assume that you believe in only one god (you have never spoken about believing in more than one god), so therefore 1 god subtract 1 god equals zero gods.
You are an a-theist in regards to all of those other gods that you dismiss - ie. Zeus and Thor, Ganesh and Saraswati, Centeotl and Tlazolteotl, etc. etc. - so the statement that we are both atheists is true.
BTW, this is a quote I lifted from Stephen F. Roberts. It is quite well known actually and please very carefully try to understand why you, jvboy_17, dismiss all other gods ecxept for for your own god. It is quite a profound statement that Mr. Roberts has made.
I am also the same person responsible for the quotes from Mr. Dawkins. I just used a spoonerism for "Your name:".
Regards,
Rephen (and Dichard)
Posted September 14, 2009
Rephen F. Stoberts says:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Stephen F. Roberts
Posted September 11, 2009
Zeus says:
oh yeah and btw who is the 1 most intellectual on this side?
Posted September 11, 2009
Zeus says:
@ jvboy_17
If hell is the absence of god then how can hell exist? Isnt god in everything? didnt god make everything? without god there would be no hell, so you cant go around saying that hell is the absence of god. You see, god keeps the show going yes? besides, I grabbed that quote from the quran. Next you'll be telling me that the koran is the work of the devil and thats why americans fight the muslims with jesus as their figurehead. The poor bloody semites have had enough of jesus - the romans came marauding across the sand dunes in 600ad and thats why muhammad got all pissed and went back to the roots. read the quran dude and youll see that they are just like you and believe in abraham and moses and lot and david and all the rest of the fiction. you need to stop being so emotional in your beliefs and look at the logic and the contradictions so clearly evident. i have no emotional attachment to this guff its just facts to me (well, lack of facts). your emotion desires cloud your view of reality jvboy
Posted September 11, 2009
Dichard Rawkins says:
"How would we be better off without religion?
We'd all be freed to concentrate on the only life we are ever going to have. We'd be free to exult in the privilege -- the remarkable good fortune -- that each one of us enjoys through having been being born. An astronomically overwhelming majority of the people who could be born never will be. You are one of the tiny minority whose number came up. Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. The world would be a better place if we all had this positive attitude to life. It would also be a better place if morality was all about doing good to others and refraining from hurting them, rather than religion's morbid obsession with private sin and the evils of sexual enjoyment."
Richards Dawkins
Posted September 04, 2009
Dichard Rawkins says:
"So why do we insist on believing in God?
From a biological point of view, there are lots of different theories about why we have this extraordinary predisposition to believe in supernatural things. One suggestion is that the child mind is, for very good Darwinian reasons, susceptible to infection the same way a computer is. In order to be useful, a computer has to be programmable, to obey whatever it's told to do. That automatically makes it vulnerable to computer viruses, which are programs that say, "Spread me, copy me, pass me on." Once a viral program gets started, there is nothing to stop it.
Similarly, the child brain is preprogrammed by natural selection to obey and believe what parents and other adults tell it. In general, it's a good thing that child brains should be susceptible to being taught what to do and what to believe by adults. But this necessarily carries the down side that bad ideas, useless ideas, waste of time ideas like rain dances and other religious customs, will also be passed down the generations. The child brain is very susceptible to this kind of infection. And it also spreads sideways by cross infection when a charismatic preacher goes around infecting new minds that were previously uninfected."
Richard Dawkins
Posted September 04, 2009
says:
yawn
Posted September 03, 2009
Zeus says:
"They do blaspheme who say God is Christ, the Son of Mary." Dont know about u but looks like the christians on the right ar egoing to hell too.
Posted September 03, 2009
Zephys says:
So what is it that Christians understand that Atheists do not? What's different between the Christian that reads and belives the bible and the Atheist that reads it and does not?
Posted July 23, 2009
Chase says:
When a christian prays the are promised an answer. An answer of 'Yes', 'No', or 'Maybe'. If that's the case, I could pray to anything I want. Say I pray to a carton of milk. I ask the milk for $1000. If a check shows up in the mail a few days later with a thousand dollars for some odd reason, then I'll scream hallelujah my prayers have been answered!! Milk Carton is the creator of the universe!! If something shows up in the mail saying I could win $1000 if I just do some tests or something, then I might go, depending on if it's worth the money, in which my milk carton answered maybe. And if nothing happens, then my precious milk carton answered no :(.
Do you see?
Posted July 13, 2009
Matt says:
Personally, I don't think god exists, but in my eyes everyone's view should be accounted for unless it's been scientifically proven false.
Posted June 06, 2009
irregularworld says:
So, what you're saying Hoogle is that human misery is actually perfection, we're just too stupid to see it? That's a pretty contorted justification. If God is all powerful, why couldn't he give free will without dooming us to nasty infectious diseases, rot, poverty, natural disasters. Sorry, but your God disappears from the scene rather too easily to be believed in.
Posted May 12, 2009
papawu says:
Well, I don't know if I would go as far as to say there is no God. Let me put it to you this way. I don't believe in God but I fear him.
Posted April 06, 2009
Grim says:
Christians are retarded...of course there is no god.
http://www.squidoo.com/christiansareretarded
Posted March 30, 2009
jay says:
there is no god, and if there is one i hate him for letting this world suffer. i hope he burns in hell forever because he is the real evil one
Posted March 27, 2009
What?!? God exists, dude.
catholic411 says:
Yes, there is a god. I know people can't see Him, but that's why He's real. He'll show Himself on the Last Day, and that is the day you'll all be sorry for sayingthere isn't a God.
Posted November 18, 2009
viv says:
josephprince.org
To irregularworld:
Wow. I was 18 when I came to this DEBATE and im 19 now and this thing is still on. Sigh.
I hated God last time and was in disbelief but this one year I have grown wiser, and discovered something. That God loves me more than I think He does.
About diseases He heals.
reply to:
If God is all powerful, why couldn't he give free will without dooming us to nasty infectious diseases, rot, poverty, natural disasters. Sorry, but your God disappears from the scene rather too easily to be believed in.
and
mrwriter
If there's a god then why did he make me atheist?
God has made good and evil dwell alongside so that we may discover, and show that the good will always win.
God let us have a brain with such much thinking capacity so we may explore, dig deep if we want to, and go one circle to find out about the truth of God because sometimes we have the freewill and we sometimes succumb and choose to be stubborn.
But nothing beats a pure simple faith in God, with all our efforts thrown in to dispute. Because life is not very long, best not to waste any efforts and find out soon. And those who believe and has got out of this will help along too.
God bless.
http://josephprince.org/resources/confesstheword/healthhealing.htm
Posted October 20, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
It is painful to know that some people are weak to understand very simple analogy.
Posted September 30, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
lol,
You've got confused there. We are talking about Santa and not God.
This is to refute 'jim_evolution's' statement. Please read the rest of the postings to avoid this kind of incident, otherwise you won't sound right at all and it is bad for you :( sigh...
God bless!!!
Posted September 30, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
jim_evolution,
The reality of Santa can be traced down historically --
People like you get misconceptions. Sometimes in life, it is not just a question of yes or no. Maybe it is time for you to get off your couch and do some research, because you've been a bad boy and Santa won't like it.
Read more about St. Nicholas of Myra --
In the end you will find out that you are disgracing a man who once lived righteously and lovingly. What this makes you? Sometimes it is our culture and customs that blinds us...but this should not limit us, because people have smarts, and please channel it wisely.
Now since Santa is real -- then you are right about God :P And you are the very first atheist on this forum to profess this reality (applause applause).
Posted September 24, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
Thank you for doing your homework -- I recommend the article to everyone. Maybe this will eliminate all the confusion and fusses. It is absurd that people discard the fact of a God because of religion and culture.
But yet, the idea of subtraction that you are insisting is still irrelevant. Why do I have to impose to you again that God cannot be recognized with simple math. Also, the article failed tor recognize that theist only recognize one reality. If we disregard the diversity of culture and religion, all that is left is the belief in a Higher Being. I'll give you a good advise,,, Drink a warm glass of milk, sleep and rest, take a warm shower next morning, and then contemplate -- and soon you will realize that you should consider "subtracting religion" instead.
God bless everyone! God bless!
Posted September 15, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
There is no addition or subtraction that should take place in this scenario. If we look into the history up to the present, believing in God is categorized as either "Mono" Theism and "Poly" Theism. Mono means 1 and Poly means
many. Neverthless, these are all concepts of religion and religion and God is not the same. God as an external being, His existence is not subjected on the Poly and Mony idea, and this extends to you arithmetic operation.
Do not try to use math to understand God, because you will not find anything. This is the reason why some people get stuck, because humans wanted to contain everything inside a box...but have you ever thought of considering what is on the outside? Further on this, please undestand that your brain can process more that 1 minus 1 and the world you are in right now is not fabricated out of just 1 and 0 or on and off...on such case, what more of a God.
Posted September 14, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
Hi Rephen,
When you said "I just believe in one fewer god than you do." it contradicts of you being an Athiest. Are we talking ireligion rather that atheism?
Posted September 11, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
...I hate it when the forum turns quotation marks to question marks...
Posted September 11, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
Zeus ?
God and hell coexist -- when I said ?Absence of God', I am merely describing how hell will be like. Hell is defined as a place of pain and suffering, but people take for granted that the most painful part is the fact that ?God will not come to save you'. God can literally be in hell, maybe to pay a visit and feel sorry for those who did not take an effort to believe.
I want to stay away discussing religion; Koran is for the Muslims and not mine. ?You have to be a Muslim to understand Islam'; therefore I forbid myself declaring any notion against their religion.
And since this thread is proving God exist; it is inappropriate for us to discuss religion. Nevertheless, God as an external being can be present even people didn't even think of religion? I myself can even state that it is a fact that religion can be jacked up sometimes, but as I've said before, even if the pope raped and killed all the girls in the world, it is not God's action but the pope's. It saddens me that people disregard the whole fact of a God because of religion?
One last before I jump to a different topic. Let me clear to everyone that religion is still a good measure of morality, specifically Christianity. This religion teaches love? and isn't it a wonderful thing to teach everyone of this love? I also have said before that we must not blame Christianity for any Christians who don't live their life as the Christian creed describes. Ghandi once said that he liked the idea of Christianity and he liked Christ, but not the Christians? yet on his statement we must not generalize. Some Christians truly fall back; let this be a challenge for them to reason out with themselves and God and seek renewing on their Christian walk. Nevertheless, those who judge Christianity in a whole are absurd, unreasonable, illogical and fake ? these people think that they are blameless and perfect and know everything by fact.
I asked someone in this thread before how de defines fact? Which is really true of not? Where do we put our faith on? Darwin said that people came from monkeys, is this fact because Darwin said it? Science, Math, Physics and the like are all great tools to understand and see how majestic and profound the whole Universe is? yet we cannot assure that it can all provide facts? Math just failed us and started economical tragedies around the world, Science based everything on trial and error?how can we be sure that what we think is a fact right now is really a fact, Physics miscalculated the distance of the moon and such(research on how Newton regarding this).
I am saying again that ?people should not only rely entirely on logic'. Do you use logic to love your family? Nope. I am here to tell everyone again, that the brain is not just logical; a portion of it dictates emotions, creativity, sense of beauty and such. There is no one in this world who can specifically say that he or she based everything of facts. The world is not 0 or 1, on or off and yes or no? everyone's brain is too complex and we must not limit ourselves to this kind of thinking.
Let me be clear to you Zeus that my view is not clouded. We can keep this discussion going because I have so much to tell. I suggest that you go back to my old postings here so we can avoid repetitions.
Thank you my friend! TGIF!
Oh yeah? uhmmm? the intellectual one was ?thedrinksisonme' or something like that.
Posted September 11, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
This one is for Zeus --
I am not sure if you grasp the full concept of blasphemy and hell. I rather talk to people with real smarts here, not to those who just pick random words that sounds good and used them for something that doesn't make any sense.
I've been in this debate for a long while and unfortunately only 1 on the Atheist side who is intellectual enough.
Anyhow, FYI:
Blasphemy is any language disrespecting something that is sacred.
Hell is an absence of God.
If you ask me -- I don't see anything sacred with Atheism, and so as the statement that Mr. Zeus here stipulated... All I can perceive is the total absence of God, or maybe I should use the word "Hell", just for you.
Smile smile!
Posted September 07, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
On the same concept as of our friend Dichard Rawkins -- if we also apply the biological point of view, could it also an infection why an Athiest doesn't believe in God, and similarly, their children and their children's children are programmed to obey what they are told to do... or learned from the key people of the Atheism world -- of Darwin, of Marxist... I am usure; but nevertheless, I rather not just abide to the concept of a dead men who stipulated ideas out of their head and formulated theories out of their good imagination.
Now which is truly a disease? Christianity or Atheism? Apparently on my own terms there is no such thing as infection -- if you don't want to believe, then it is in your own terms, it is not forced because, everyone has the choice not to. If you dont like the Christian concept, please stay off and mind your own business.
On the same manner, this discussion is about God and not about religion. If you are like our friend Dichard Rawkins here, who spoke of religion, please set off and start a new thread. Thank you.
Yet, let me be clear here the idea of religion is controlled not by God but by men; the biases about it is rather absurd, specially that religion could be a good measure of morality -- isn't it good to know of what is evil and what is good? or what is real happiness and what is not? Otherwise, we would look into the world on a different manner...if there is no threshold or measure of evilness, all of us will fall into chaos (or in my languange, sin).
Posted September 06, 2009
ATP says:
God does exist. What's your problem. As for that crap people talk about praying, it's all bull. God answers prayers determined on a couple factors (and this is just what I know of)
1. If you need what you're praying for
2. If God thinks you need what you're praying for
3. If you beleive that if God thinks you need it, he'll give it to you.
Chase...and everybody that went on the Right! God Doesn't Exist list...explain evolution...explain how DNA was made in the beginning of time. Yeah...I'm not gonna believe that junk "Well, the chemicals came together, and DNA was formed" yeah right! You wish...
Posted September 01, 2009
kick808 says:
God never said you coudln't see outside this earth from the earth.But going outside the earth is another thing.God never said you couldn't study the sequences of the earth did he?We have to study the holy bible so he wouldn't ban us from knowing about the world.LOL.As far as going into space.We have rules and when you learn enough about the world to be able to go in space is pretty cool but at the same time you know where your home is.We're still in a natural state meaning it could actually be our fault if the world ended.seeing things other than the earth is not impossible but living out there without the rules and samples from the earth is.Know you're place.when astronauts leave they take a very small percentage of the earth with them.which is everything they have.
Posted August 06, 2009
kick808 says:
until they die.LOL
Posted August 05, 2009
kick808 says:
But then again that would mean god was formed from nothing right?Wrong.We don't know the history of god.We may not even learn his past in the kingdom of heaven.But something has always existed which means something was complex enough to start the universe and that has to be someone or something that has intelligence infinity times beyond our own.Believe it or not something or someone has always existed meaning that being does not have an age due to the fact of always existing is timeless.Its mind boggling but very ultra super fantastically cool.Man you have to think beyond the human brain to actually time something that has always existed which is impossible humans need to stay in there place which is here on gods green earth.You atheists prepare to meet your maker.if the atheists cant understand the complexity of this world then they will never ever eveeeeeeeeer understand GOD!
Posted August 05, 2009
kick808 says:
the world is tooooo complex for there not to be a god.we have the sun to give us night and day and also climate.We have plantation to help us feed and help us breathe.we have water to keep us cleaned,refreshed and thirst free.you see looking at the world through an atheists point of view is just looking at the world as to being formed and probabilities and they always seem to wanna prove something but they never lived for the millions or billions of years this earth lived in.So they cant look at what happened they can only look at whats happening. if life was formed on earth(not created) why would a male and female life form be formed at the same exact time instead of just 1 gender?Why couldnt life just die out as soon as it got here?Why has the earth maintained life for all these years and we cant find a single planet in our solar that is ultimately similar to our planet?If the earth spunt off its axis we would most likely be catapulted into the sun.There's a massive black hole in the center of our galaxy that could easily eat the whole galaxy.why hasnt it done that?there is gravity on this planet to keep our feet planted on this soil instead just of falling into the large vacuum and being froze to death.we have weather that replenishes and gives us new water and superbly survivable temperatures.Life is not a probability nor is it mysterious.Something greater created you due to the simple fact of things don't just appear out of nowhere.its just a horrible joy to laugh at an atheist because he or she believed they were formed from nothing.its a damn shame.
Posted August 05, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
So what is it that Christians understand that Atheists do not?:
Christians understand that there is a God, Atheist rejects this fact.
Apparently accepting the reality of a God is a "choice". If an atheist can define to himself that a chaotic big bang is the origin of a harmonious universe, then so it shall be...nevertheless, seek your wisdom and analyze.
I disliked atheism, but I never hated atheists . This is my choice, then so it shall be.
What's different between the Christian that reads and believes the bible and the Atheist that reads it and does not?:
This is the same concept of a Christian who studied Philosophy and learned Marxism or who went to school to learn of Darwin and his theory... but on the end did not believe such concepts because he thinks it is false.
This all falls down to "faith". A believer put his faith in the Bible or any creed, which is the same faith that an atheist may put on Darwin or Marx.
It is a rather a question of where you want your faith to reside.
GOD BLESS EVERYONE...GOD BLESS!
Posted July 24, 2009
Andrew says:
I'd prefer to die believing in God and find out that there's no God than dying not believing in God and find out that there's God.
Posted July 19, 2009
jvboy_17 says:
It is saddening on how an atheist declare a statement without even understanding the full concept of what he or she is saying.
The misconception of prayer is not only true to the unbelievers and it is rather disturbing.
Prayer is "simply talking to God" -- it is not a 'Genie in a Bottle' nor a 'Sugar Daddy' that will give all that pleases you.
The analogy of a 'carton' and a 'God' is very improper. Considering that God is 'infinity' times bigger than a carton.
If a compare an Atheist to a rubber band... is that proper? I myself will say it is not.
Yes I see...
Ready to a real fight...bring it on!
Posted July 14, 2009
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