Vyvanse: 10 Top Tips for ADHD Treatment

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Vyvanse: 10 Tips for Easy Adjustment

Every new ADD/ADHD medication needs some time in the field to fully understand the metabolic patterns, the way it works best. Links for several previous posts on Vyvanse follow, and in this lens you will find a simple summary of those notes.

10 Tips for Easy Vyvanse Adjustment

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Notes on Finding the Correct Top of the Dosage The top is most important to measure. 

Notes on Vyvanse soon after starting to use it. 

Tips on Vyvanse after understanding more on how to adjust it.

Specific Vyvanse Ultratips for very low dosing strategies in sensitive individuals.

Notes on Why Protein Breakfast?

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Vyvanse Tips: Vyvanse is a new medication for ADD, and shows considerable clinical effectiveness, safety, and fewer side effects

With a little bit of attention to dosing and duration of effectiveness Vyvanse can prove an excellent new alternative to other stimulant medications.

Vyvanse 10 Tips for Dosing Adjustment, With Your Doctor's Approval: Remember New Doses - Now in 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, and 70mg

These suggestions are posted to provide fresh information on dosing details and some interesting attributes of Vyvanse.
`1. Always start lower than expected, and go slower than usual.
`2. Vyvanse is a prodrug with a slow and forgiving delivery process: Rare AM agitation [see below], and often: no emotional drop in the PM [see below], - and, interestingly, often less agitation than Adderall.
`3. Clinical experience shows that it lasts longer as a single morning dose than any of the oral current stimulant medications. Shoot for 12-14 hr Duration of Effectiveness [DOE] carefully - at least 1 week between increases.
`4. The different prodrug delivery system provides a longer duration of effectiveness, with no need for a PM augmentation dose to complete homework or home chores. The "Bewitching Hours [from 4-8PM]," with few exceptions, are covered with that single AM dose.
`5. Methamphetamine addicts "don't like it" - as carefully studied and measured on a 29 point "likability scale." Because it is a "prodrug" and the release so measured, the immediate peak of plasma concentration is dramatically changed, even with an IV injection. This study demonstrates an excellent safety outcome, not previously reported with any stimulant in any package insert, and suggests a considerable disinclination for abuse.
`6. Start at the lower dose: 20mg which roughly equals Adderall XR 5 mg. They may have been on higher doses, even 40 mg of the Adderall XR, but go low and slow with the Vyvanse start, as it appears you will often need less to achieve remission from symptoms. The dose equivalences from the forced dose titration studies are often simply too much, and if they create a problem for that specific patient they may not wish to revisit this excellent medication.
`7. If the duration of effectiveness [DOE] is no longer effective at about 2-3 PM, the dose is one click too low. Move up to the next dose. 1 week is often enough to tell the DOE, 2 weeks you will be more sure regarding the DOE consistency.
`8. The duration of effectiveness [DOE] objective is 12-14 hrs, and most achieve that mark. Vyvanse has a surprisingly consistent run through the day, and recent studies show that optimum dose, reached in 5 weeks is maintained for 1 year... adjustments are rarely necessary.
`9. All psych meds are better tolerated and more effective with a protein breakfast,- please review my breakfast posts linked above. Proteins provide neurotransmitter precursors.
`10. For the Ultra Sensitive: [These suggestions apply for those who are unusually sensitive to medications, especially those young children who the treatment team feels will not tolerate new meds well - autism, Asperger's, brain injury, metabolic challenges, and the very young]. See the list here below:

The Ultra Tips for the Most Medication Sensitive
`a. Take the Vyvanse capsule, most often at the lowest dose, 20mg, break it 1/2 and pour the powdered contents into 2 oz of water in a measuring cup. Throw away the gelatin capsule.
`b. Stir, and don't worry about the small amount of material at the bottom.
`c. Give 1 oz in the AM, then put the other into the refrigerator, warn others not to drink it, - and if there is a concern for safety, throw it the other 1 oz away. No studies done on the reliability of this process or the efficacy of the drug in the refrigerator, it is off-label, yet patients are telling me this works easily and well for them.
`d. Give the other 1 oz the next AM.
`e. For very sensitive kids: take this plan one step further, and pour the 20 mg capsule powder into 4 oz of water, then spread the dosage of the next four days, giving essentially 5 mg/day - often these people do go up to 1/2 cap. [I have several patients, including one 45 yo adult [off label] engineer with brain injury and metabolic problems, who takes only 1/4 of the 30mg, and the DOE is a perfect 14 hrs. With ADD for many years, and significant sensitivity to medications he is very pleased with this unusually small dosage.
`f. No, you don't have to use water, OJ or apple juice will do. Acidic medium and variable transit times are not an issue for Vyvanse.
`g. No, there is no Vyvanse taste problem with touchy, taste sensitive folk, though I'm sure an exception exists out there, I haven't seen it, nor heard it reported from colleagues.
`h. Always check for protein breakfast. Protein is an essential precursor for neurotransmitters. Sorry to repeat, but we often have to say this more than once in the office.

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    Jake T. Jan 13, 2012 @ 9:33 pm | delete
    Having recently realized that ADD would pretty much explain my entire life up to this point and getting close to losing my IT job from lack of focus - I decided to look up a psychiatrist to get some help.

    Long story short, having never been on any type of ADD drug before, the Dr started me at 70mg. I feel fairly good and have a mental clarity that I've never had before, however I am worried from the research I've done after getting the rx that this is way too high of a dose to start with.

    I'm also fairly jittery, heart's definitely pumping, and within hours of taking the drug for the first time lots of blood vessels in my face burst (all the way to the edge of my ears).

    The positive effect made work today totally do-able for the first time I can remember in a long time, maybe ever. However the side effects are a little scary. The Dr never called me back, and I was considering for tomorrow diluting half the pill in water. Not even sure what I'm asking here lol.

    Also, is it safe to exercise on this stuff? I'm scared to run hard or lift weights and die of a heart attack at age 30.
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    crystal Feb 8, 2012 @ 10:35 pm | delete
    IVE BEEN ON 20 MILLIGRAMS FOR ABOUT 2 WEEKS NOW, VERY FIT... STILL SPRINT, RUN AND LIFT WEIGHTS. you should be fine. follow up with ur doctor.
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    crystal Feb 8, 2012 @ 10:35 pm | delete
    IVE BEEN ON 20 MILLIGRAMS FOR ABOUT 2 WEEKS NOW, VERY FIT... STILL SPRINT, RUN AND LIFT WEIGHTS. you should be fine. follow up with ur doctor.
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    grainne Dec 21, 2011 @ 2:19 am | delete
    It is an informative lens but I want to highlight what is ADD as there are some people that don't know about this. It is an attention deficit disorder. The diagnosis criteria of ADD, includes patient's behavior.
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    DrParker Dec 21, 2011 @ 7:38 am | delete
    You missed the point entirely, but did get you link on there which this lens were blog, I would spam.
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    sarahrk Dec 19, 2011 @ 2:21 pm | delete
    very informative. looking for new treatment
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    Tammy Dec 1, 2011 @ 9:49 pm | delete
    Hi my son is 6 years old and he is small for his age.. 39 pounds. He is severely ADHD and we tried bioneurofeedback to no avail.. we started with focalin but I thought he became too angry.. we used the patch (daytrana) and liked it but his skin became too irritated. Now we have 30 mg of Vyvanse.. but for the only two days I've given it to him he sleeps and the other day he was completely passed out and I couldn't wake him. I stopped immediately and now I'm wondering can I try the recipe I read about about cutting the 30 mg in half?
    Thanks
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    DrParker Dec 2, 2011 @ 7:42 am | delete
    While I make no medical recommendations for people I haven't seen in the office, it would be quite reasonable to download these remarks and pass them along to your doc to seek his approval. Sounds like your guy is on too much - and that "too much" could be caused by a number of issues. Best to follow up with a visit to CorePsych Blog and type "metabolic" in the search there.
    cp
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    Tammy Dec 2, 2011 @ 6:04 pm | delete
    Well after reading about titration I tried it today and my son did so much better! He was very well behaved and his teacher noticed an improvement in his work. He wasn't as tired as before.. he was a little emotional but I figure that will resolve over time. I was also reading that dosage isn't based on weight anymore.. more of metabolic rate. So his weight should not be a deciding factor in medication? Thanks for taking the time to read and respond. This website has helped us so much!
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    DrParker Dec 3, 2011 @ 6:20 am | delete
    Glad it worked for you and your son Tammy!
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    Anthony Oct 24, 2011 @ 3:05 pm | delete
    I have been on alderall xr30 for a few years with no complaints Vyvance was suggested so I tried 40 mg I was told by everyone that I was real aggressive and nasty so I went back any suggestions.

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    DrParker Dec 2, 2011 @ 7:44 am | delete
    1. Try it after breakfast, not on an empty stomach
    2. Dose sounds reasonable on the front end, but on the back end sounds like too much, suggest speaking to your doc about a lower dose.
    cp
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    Yardbird Oct 19, 2011 @ 10:46 am | delete
    Excellent Lens, good information on a new medication that I had not heard about!
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    Desty Jul 25, 2011 @ 6:55 pm | delete
    My son was first put on Vyvanse. The first two days were horrible, he was violent and very aggressive, but after those days, it was a WONDER. We loved it so much, but discovered that it was causing him to lose weight, 7 pounds in one month. Too much for a six year old. He's on a different med now, but it doesn't do half the job Vyvanse did.
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    DrParker Jul 25, 2011 @ 7:58 pm | delete
    Quite simply the dose, as is obvious in retrospect, was likely too high, even tho it was OK on the package insert. When you have probs like this the best is to drop back to a lower dose. Atypical reactions almost always need metabolic review to manage metabolic variations.
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