Weight Watchers Points Plus 2012
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Weight Watchers Points Plus for 2012: Plan Changes and Modifications
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Weight Watchers Points Plus and The Problem of 29
My previous article on Weight Watchers PointsPlus
Weight Watchers Points Plus Changes for 2012
(1) Option to Choose the Simply Filling Technique Daily
It's no longer Points Plus vs. SFT as full time "either/or" choice
WeightWatchers actually has two plans. One requires tracking what you eat and counting the PointsPlus values of the food you eat (PointsPlus) and the other program involves learning about satisfaction and eating to satisfaction almost exclusively from the list of PowerFoods (called the Simply Filling Technique or SFT). SFT vs. PointsPlus used to be pick one or the other to follow every day. Now you can switch between the programs on a daily basis. Personally, when WeightWatchers first introduced SFT (back then it was called Core) in 2004, I quit. I found the thrust of the program unhelpful for my (over-)eating issues. That said, conceptually, the concepts behind SFT are sound and rest in the research of Barbara Rolls (author of Volumetrics) and others.
Opening SFT up as a daily option, if the meeting leaders can successfully coach people on how to use it, could be an interesting technique for certain situations such as surviving a party at work. E.g.: "Go ahead eat 'unlimited' boneless/skinless chicken at the party because you are doing an SFT day" or some such. I'm not entirely sure of the exact use case, but it seems like it should be along those lines.
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(2) Lower Daily PointsPlust Target for Some Weight Watchers Users
29 is no longer the lowest daily PointsPlus target
There is a new Daily Points Target (DPT) for some people under the revised 2012 Points Plus program.Basically the formula (see their patent) is unchanged, but instead of 29 being the lowest DPT given to a participant, now it is 26. (71 is still the new high under Points Plus). Additionally, Weight Watchers is now encouraging anyone to move their targets up or down by three (3) Points to either increase or slow their weight loss. This change introduces some flexibility into the program and is an acknowledgment that not everyone experiences weight loss the same based simply on their current weight, age and gender.
(3) Setting An Activity Points Target (APT)
Weight Watchers moves beyond simply encouraging physical activity
Previously, although exercise was mentioned as part of the Weight Watchers program, it was not heavily emphasized or considered a required part of following the plan.Now every Weight Watchers Points Plus participant is getting an Activity Points Plus Target (APT). For most users, this APT appears to be 14/week or 2/day. The goal is to get all participants to have a baseline level of activity as part of their weight loss or weight management program.
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(4) Weight Watchers New PowerStart Program
New Program for Weight Watchers Meeting Members
Weight Watchers has a new kick off program called "PowerStart" spread over three weeks (meeting members only) to help teach some cognitive behavioral skills to get better results. The format for the PowerStart sessions is that after the meeting, the meeting leader does the new program orientation for any new members and then does one of the three PowerStart topics (these cycle through every three weeks). The weigh in cards have locations for stamping attendance at the PowerStart sessions; presumably this is to encourage new members to sit through the introduction to the materials three times, too.Each week the PowerStart topic is accompanied by a booklet on the topic: smart-choices spaces, planning, and powerfoods. The booklet has a fixed menu (26 DPT) spelled out for participants that do not want to have to make choices their first few weeks as well as an introduction to the topic of the week. For example the places PowerStart session encourages participants to think about what they will remove, replace with, and other changes they will make in their kitchen, car, workplace, elsewhere to have more success.
Photo: Learning to make better dietary choices is a part of Weight Watchers' plan for success. Photo credit: beglib at morguefile.
Other Changes in Weight Watchers Points Plus for 2012
Points Plus value changes, and concluding thoughts
Lastly for 2012, some PointsPlus values for foods have changed.This is not a change in the formula for computing PointsPlus values, but rather reflects an update to the Weight Watchers databases based on underlying changes in the USDA nutrition database they are using. For example, if 1 oz of almonds used to, according to the USDA, have 13 g of fat, but now the USDA reports the same 1 oz of almonds as having 14 g of fat, that might cause the PointsPlus value of 1 oz of almonds to go up.
It appears that about 15-20 foods have changed PointsPlus values as a result of this update. For this author, one notable change is wine (now with a lowered PointsPlus value).
That said, the timing for this change seems poorly thought out. It seems like this could have been saved until, say, March 2012 or rolled out back in October to avoid overlapping this change with people learning the new plan.
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How Do You Feel About These Changes to Weight Watchers Points Plus for 2012?
Will these changes improve Points Plus' success rate?
In November, I added a survey to my previous lens on Weight Watchers Points Plus, asking readers for their opinions on the plan now that it's been in place for nearly a year. Over 1,000 individuals have responded, with currently only about 41% expressing satisfaction with Points Plus. Approximately 28% said they preferred and switched back to a previous Weight Watchers plan; 12% switched to a different weight loss program (such as SparkPeople), and another 11% stopped trying to lose weight completely. Do you think these modest plan changes for Points Plus for 2012 will improve users satisfaction and success with the program?
Do you think these changes to Points Plus for 2012 are a good idea or a bad idea?
Fetching blurbs now... please stand byGood idea. I think these changes will address some issues with Points Plus and make it work better than ever.
rebecca says:
I think people whine too much! Weight watchers has been around for many years and is the most successful program out there! Count points, count calories, it really does not matter... It's about changing your life for the better, not blaming weight watchers or anyone else for what we should take personal responsibility for. GO WEIGHTWATCHERS! you are appreciated!
Posted February 20, 2012
Annie says:
It's great. With the 29 PP/day plan, I lost slowly or not at all (135 lb female). With the 26 PP/day plan, I'm loosing about 2 lb/week. I love this plan so much more than counting calories because there never comes a point where I can't eat -- I can always have vegetables or fruit. If I go out to lunch with friends and blow my 26 points, I just have a plate of steamed veggies for dinner with a fresh fruit salad for desert and I don't feel hungry or guilty. I eat much healthier now with all the 0 point fruits and vegetables in my diet, it's great!
Posted January 19, 2012
susan says:
I lost 34 lbs in 2010. When the plan switched in 2011, and I was placed on 29 points, I began gaining weight. I got so discouraged after 6 months that I quit the program and by the end of the year I gained back a total of 20 lbs. I am now placed on 26 points and since the day after Christmas I have lost 8 lbs. My activity is at 10 points a week. If I had only known to drop my points in 2011, I wouldn't have had the set back. The leaders insisted I stick with it, but I knew it wasn't working. Now I am WW online.
Posted January 15, 2012
Melissa says:
Calories are calories, darlings. Count them, consume the proper amount diligently and you will lose weight. Don't try to cheat the system, no matter if you are trying to eat more fruit or just as much as you can per day without paying for it in weight gain. Don't depend on Weight Watchers to do the hard work of conscious eating for you - COUNT CALORIES.
Posted January 15, 2012
ashley says:
I think one has to also take into consideration the Good Health Guidelines to use in making choices as to how one uses one's points. I think then it can be effective. But more emphasis/discussion needs to happen in the meetings regarding those choices.
Posted January 13, 2012
Raquel says:
Even at the first version of 29 points - I had good weight loss - I quickly re-evaluated all of my food choices - fresh, homemade & being mindful of eliminating any processed foods that when I read the ingredients - were foods that I would not of been able to make in my kitchen. I would be really interested to see the actual foods people were eating who stopped loosing weight at 29 points & also interested to see the quantities of 'free' fruit or vege they were consuming.
Posted January 05, 2012
joz says:
I think they are a great ideas. Your basically teaching a healthier way of eating and inculuding exersices making the program even more powerful.
Posted December 28, 2011
Natalie M says:
I like the first points system back in 1998, I lost a lot of weight because it forced me to exercise and it forced me to eat more veggies! I hate how WW still pushes so many unhealthy food choices such as the processed snacks. I do think that the closer the get to pushing food combination like the Zone with point tracking that it'll be the best for us as a society that struggles with too much insulin which results in diabetes, heart attacks, stroke, cancer, and arthritis, namely hormonal imbalances and inflammation!
Posted December 27, 2011
lbrummer says:
I think it's a good idea because I found that many days I had to eat to use up the last of the 29 points before bedtime. Now it looks like you can choose 26 points. I love the Points Plus program, I've lost 40 #'s this last year. The real secret I think, is being ready to make changes to eat healthy.
Posted December 23, 2011
Bad idea. I don't like the changes/It won't fix the problems I've had with Points Plus since its original introduction.
confused says:
why do they keep taking your money when they see you're having problems and why do they keep changing it if it's so great and no.1. How about reaching out to the ones who it seems to not be working for. I was told my issues would be addressed, but they weren't...
Posted February 22, 2012
Kathleen_Reese says:
I am totally dissatified with the whole thing . neither of them are working for me..I just stay hungry and end up eating whatever I get my ands on!
Posted February 22, 2012
Kristi says:
I am super frustrated on this plan and always hungry! I lost 6 pounds the first few weeks and now I gain a pound and lose a pound all week long, making it that I haven't lost anything in three weeks and only show a 5 pound weight loss in over a month. Tired of being hungry and not losing weight!
Posted February 21, 2012
Betty says:
I think it's a bad idea. What's with all the confusing changes? Too much detail and losing weight is hard enough!! I like the simpler version - which I'm sticking to even though I just joined (again!) By the way......isn't the Core program just like Points Plus?? Come on you guys....give us a break. You're just trying to revamp things - why?
Posted February 11, 2012
Sue says:
I have lostweight with WW in the past but am really struggling with this points plus plan. Ugh!
Posted February 10, 2012
ichy says:
Looks to me like you need a Doctor's degree to underswtand this thing now.
Posted February 03, 2012
Laurel says:
I want my old program back!
Posted January 31, 2012
Maryann says:
I dont like this plan at all. The previous plan was much better. If they say WEIGHT WATCHERS is such a good plan, why change it so offer.
Posted January 21, 2012
miss kimothy says:
I've been successful with WW in the past, when I've had alot to lose. Now that I'm down to the last 25lbs or so, I find it IMPOSSIBLE with the PP plan. The original points plan seemed to work best for me. It takes alot for me to lose weight, and I find that the minimum points values assigned are far too high. When I've ignored the plan and gone to a sub 900 calorie a day plan PLUS exercise, I've actually lost weight. At the old 29 points per day minimum, I was slightly gaining. Because of that I really don't trust the WW system any more.
Posted January 18, 2012
JoAnn says:
this is just like any diet plan
Posted January 17, 2012
Bonnie says:
Points Plus seems way too complicated. I went to a few meetings last year and felt like it was a lot more trouble than the old way. Now even more changes for 2012?
Posted January 16, 2012
Katrina says:
I don't like the Points Plus program and doubt these tweaks are enough to fix the problems. Allowing zero points for foods doesn't help those who (like me) love fruits and veggies and could eat bushelfuls a day. I liked the regular Points program and feel it was fine the way it was. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It worked for many people who wanted very clear cut rules to follow. Too much choice and too much freedom is what got most of us into the situation we're in with being overweight.
Posted January 14, 2012
Karin says:
I am going back to an old WW program as well. If they are decreasing points, and under the new PP+ foods are all higher, then what have we accomplished? Under the first points plan (before 35 weekly additional points) you were able to have 27 points (if weighed between 150-175). Points values were lower and you banked points for splurges. That plan has always worked the best for me.
Posted January 13, 2012
pah55 says:
bad idea.......seems more difficult to focus on the task
Posted January 11, 2012
Paula K. says:
It was working fine before PointsPlus and I got even less points given to me over the horrid holiday season. I am always starving now, discouraged and thinking about going back to an old WW plan and doing it manually.
Posted January 10, 2012
pat durkin says:
Seems some of the foood values on heir foods have changed .Frozen foood lasange is 6 points on some packets and seven on other packets.Depending where you buy them
Posted January 03, 2012
Julie says:
I still like the original points system better. I've tried them both and I am most likely to stay on the old program, which will result in more weight loss for me. On the old program I currently get 22 points (counting fruits as points), and with the points plus I get 29, which is actually fine since I don't have to count fruit/veggies. But, when my phone app notified me of the 2012 change it dropped my points to 26 and that just wasn't enough food to stay satisfied. I lost 65 pounds with the old points system and I will probably go back to that in order to succeed with my weight loss goals. I guess it's whatever works, we are all different!
Posted January 01, 2012
Lori Prescott says:
29 PP+ or 26 PP+ will not do any good for those of us who already eat a clean diet and have been on a WW plan prior to PP+. Too many calories and one cannot be self sufficient on his/her WLJ. WW will still make the big bucks as most will either lose too slowly if at all and the slower the better for WW. I gained 5 pounds in 6 weeks. I say way too little too late!
Posted December 31, 2011
Donna says:
....AND, WW talks out of both sides of its mouth. Don't make a program that is all "healthy and new based on up to the moment science" and eschew "bad snacking" while encouraging people to reach for an apple rather than a 100 calorie snack pack - or a glass of wine for that matter - then turn around and hawk their horrible sodium/chemical laden products. While there dinners may have a place for an on-the-go person occasionally, their snack products are crap.
Posted December 31, 2011
Donna says:
WWPP was an awful idea. WW had to know that those users under 180 would struggle with losing on this. When I asked my leader for help, or posted at WW's website I got standard drivel: The drones would say I wasn't eating ENOUGH, eat my weekly points (which made me gain), get the GHGs, drink more/less water, eat less fruit (I only at 2 daily), watch sodium, exercise less/more, ELIMINATE grains--it was ridiculous--and the BLAME, like I was an idiot who didn't know how to follow the program!
I don't like the "one fits all" whether you're 5' or 5'9" and 180--same amount for you both. Unrealistic. Also, WWPP didn't monitor (by tracking requirements) protein or grains, which makes no sense. Nor did it allow for different/varied fats. So if you had to eat 2 tsp. of oil per day--what if you wanted chicken salad for lunch with mayo or light mayo? You should be able to substitute fat for fat, rather than having to add an additional fat serving b/c you MUST have prescribed oils from their list.
When it was an exchange program, it was quite successful. When a program states that fruit (way different from nonstarchy veg) is "free" and people read that as unlimited, you've got a recipe for disaster.
As stated, I only ate 2 fruits per day and still was parroted to that I might be taking advantage of the "loop hole". The points plus program, for me, sucked. I lost 4 pounds by my 9th weigh in, and each week was up and down. I switched to counting calories and have had great success - 16 pounds in 8 weeks. You do the math. WW has forever lost a customer in me.
I have found like-minded similar experienced dieters who have either returned to a prior program, modified PP on their own, or given up on WW altogether. I will never understand why some of the people in my at-work tour of WW continue(d) to attend while paying good money to maintain or gain on PP for the entire year while they had 20 or more pounds to lose.
Posted December 31, 2011
Edith says:
Doesn't matter if it is a bad or good idea, I was one of those that could not lose on PP (In fact I gained) and quit WW after 7 years of online membership. The change is so small it wouldn't work for me. Free fruit does not work for me (too much sugar and still has calories) and 23 points with no changes or adjustments is not low enough to lose. They should have allowed us to adjust the PP based on what worked for us in the past.
After I started gaining on PP, I kept track of calories, PP and the old points for Momentum and it was way too much food for me using PP.
I do agree with the exercise changes, I already exercise so it wouldn't affect me, but I think a good idea for those sedentary people.
It is a little too late for those of us that begged them to do something for the less to lose and older smaller people for whom this plan does not work. I lost the rest of my weight counting calories and don't miss WW anymore.
Posted December 31, 2011
Julie D says:
I agree with the statement I read earlier about PP 2011/2012 feeling more like a diet gimmick instead of a lifestyle plan for eating. Some of the marketing flies in the face of common sense. i.e. No Points For Fruit! Really? By not even offering the option of accessing the old program seems to be a statement to make everything that was touted on the old program as invalid. Personally, I would like to be given the credit and option of trying what works best for me and being able to make the choice.
Dropping the daily points value feels like a step in the right direction but the lack of a convenient tool to help figure point value on the fly is still a real hindrance. The calculators are a poor quality and are way more trouble to deal with than the previous slider tool. Taking this "tool" to the grocery or even trying to manipulate at home is more trouble than it is worth. As so many others, I am trying to find the right blend of the old and new program but also like others - not having a lot of success.
Posted December 31, 2011
Rose says:
I am having a very difficult time on the PointsPlus program. I feel confused and overwhelmed by the changes and overeat.
Posted December 29, 2011
Mary says:
I'm using the old program still. I don't know why they can't just make the good old coal-burning paper slide rule -- since the UK was able to do it just fine!!! I hate having to fuss with apps or calculators etc at the store, the slide rule was so much easier. And I am NOT buying all new cookbooks, I like the old ones fine. I wish WW would quit doing this, and go back to having a slide rule!
Posted December 29, 2011
Janet S says:
I used to use be able to lose weight as long as I followed the program. With all these changes over the past few years I am having a hard time losing as well as telling others how wonderful the program is.
Posted December 27, 2011
Robert says:
My vote would be neither "good idea' nor "bad idea", but "neutral, the change is small". My main concern with Points Plus 2012 is that the "extra" session I attended of the 3 offered amounted to product promotion for Weight Watchers rather than useful information.
Posted December 20, 2011
otherdeb says:
I'm sick of WW revamping their program every time one gets used to the way it ran.
Posted December 17, 2011
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- The latest iteration of the weight-loss plan, called Points Plus, is intended to steer people toward more healthy food choices, encouraging people to eat more fresh fruits by giving them zero points, as most vegetables already were.
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Any Final Thoughts on Weight Watchers and Points Plus?
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Leah
Feb 22, 2012 @ 9:25 pm | delete
- I have a general question about the PP... is my target number one I need to meet, or just not exceed? As in, should I strive to get "29" every time, or should I fall within the zero-to-29 range by the end of my day? Thanks so much!
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Feb 21, 2012 @ 11:54 am | delete
- I have been thinking of joining the one online lately.. I think it is a must at this point..lol. .. well no, not lol.. it is a sigh. Angel blessed lens.
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KaneshiaKelly Jan 24, 2012 @ 2:32 pm | delete
- I myself have just recently started points plus and it seems like it may work for me.
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Jan 17, 2012 @ 2:42 pm | delete
- I used to be one of those people you hate--I could eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, and however much I wanted, without gaining weight. I turned 30, and that all changed. I mysteriously lost height and started to balloon. When I got married 12 years ago, I was 5'11 and 130 pounds. When I joined WW in August 2010, I was 5'8 and 191 pounds. I had everything working against me, and still do: Lifelong poor eating habits, a husband who can still eat like I used to, Multiple Sclerosis (which constantly renders me sluggish and slow), a strong aversion to exercise, an appetite elevated by the many medications I take, genetics on my father's side, and last but not least, a strong addiction to food. None of my family or friends thought I would have any success. But Points Plus was the easiest thing I have ever tried, and by the time a year had passed, I had lost 42.2 pounds and won my employer's Biggest Loser contest. I believe Points Plus worked for me because I tracked religiously and measured everything I ate to a tee. I mean, I literally bought tons of measuring cups and spoons and measured out everything, then put it in the online tracker. I love this tool because I am lousy at math, and it calculates everything for me. I found the extra effort that tracking requires was worth it to get to eat the foods I wanted. If I was in a situation in which I couldn't measure what I ate, I put down an amount that I was certain was "over" what I had eaten, to make sure I didn't underestimate my food intake. If I didn't have access to a computer, I wrote down what I had eaten and how much, or saved the wrappers with the nutritional information, and then input the data in the tracker later. At one of my WW meetings, we played a game in which we were presented with foods and asked to guess the measurements and point values. Everyone else was underestimating, but they all pointed out that I was overestimating. My leader told them, "THAT is why she is losing so much weight." Truly, those who were struggling often learned that they weren't figuring enough points for the foods they ate. I fell off the wagon in October of 2011 due to the holidays and a sudden, stressful relocation, so I have regained ten pounds. I just now rejoined Weight Watchers. Certainly, I agree with the adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Since 29 PP worked for me, I readjusted my daily target to that. If it helped me drop 42 pounds once, it can surely help me drop 10 now. I love WW PP. It is the best thing that has ever happened to this sluggish, inactive gal, yours truly. I recommend it to anyone.
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Jan 13, 2012 @ 1:34 am | delete
- I have not had any success with W.W. since they have changed to Points Plus. I am lifetime and was always able to loose on the old plan. I hope the Points Plus 2012 works!! It is discouraging! At least I know now that I am not alone.
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